Wolverine vs T-1000

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
That Terminator once scored 4 touchdowns in a single game in high school football, y'know... 😉

Yeah it did stab, but it had never stabbed anyone who could regenerate and that had a near inpenetrable Admantium skeleton protecting the organs...

Also I like how Wolverine isn't allowed any devices, like Liquid Nitrogen or guns etc etc Yet T-1000 was allowed guns according to his fan in this earlier... lolz I say to thee....

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Originally posted by Mindset
He stabbed John's foster dad in the head.

i remembered that during the falcon/cowboy game and this..

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
He can try stabbing Wolverine in the head all he likes:

1) It probably wont penetrate the Admantium skull,

2) Wolverine would most likely just chop the arm off on the way in.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
That Terminator once scored 4 touchdowns in a single game in high school football, y'know... 😉

Yeah it did stab, but it had never stabbed anyone who could regenerate and that had a near inpenetrable Admantium skeleton protecting the organs...

Also I like how Wolverine isn't allowed any devices, like Liquid Nitrogen or guns etc etc Yet T-1000 was allowed guns according to his fan in this earlier... lolz I say to thee....

Who said that Wolverine wasn't allowed guns or liquid nitrogen?? All we said was that it would be easier for the T1000 to find a gun rather than Logan to find liquid nitrogen. It's also easier for the T1000 to fire a single bullet to Logan's head to knock him out rather than Logan firing the 6 or so shotgun shots to knock the T1000 down.

And that gunshot to the head we're talking about, that's not the adamantium bullet in Wolverine Origins. We're talking about the shot done in X2 by a normal cop with a normal gun that knocked out wolverine.

As for stabbing Wolverine, no a stab to the head won't penetrate, but a stab through the heart, lungs, eyes, or groin will give logan some severe pain and may crumple him for a bit. This movie Logan after all seems to feel pain like a normal person and suffer it's after effects if albeit briefly.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
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i remembered that during the falcon/cowboy game and this..

Originally posted by Mindset
No one said he would stab Wolverine in the head...

Don't be like him and fail to see that I was never arguing T-1000 would stab Wolverine in the first place, nor did I say anything about it stabbing through his head...I was answering your question.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Who said that Wolverine wasn't allowed guns or liquid nitrogen?? All we said was that it would be easier for the T1000 to find a gun rather than Logan to find liquid nitrogen. It's also easier for the T1000 to fire a single bullet to Logan's head to knock him out rather than Logan firing the 6 or so shotgun shots to knock the T1000 down.

And that gunshot to the head we're talking about, that's not the adamantium bullet in Wolverine Origins. We're talking about the shot done in X2 by a normal cop with a normal gun that knocked out wolverine.

As for stabbing Wolverine, no a stab to the head won't penetrate, but a stab through the heart, lungs, eyes, or groin will give logan some severe pain and may crumple him for a bit. This movie Logan after all seems to feel pain like a normal person and suffer it's after effects if albeit briefly.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Who said that Wolverine wasn't allowed guns or liquid nitrogen?? All we said was that it would be easier for the T1000 to find a gun rather than Logan to find liquid nitrogen. It's also easier for the T1000 to fire a single bullet to Logan's head to knock him out rather than Logan firing the 6 or so shotgun shots to knock the T1000 down.

And that gunshot to the head we're talking about, that's not the adamantium bullet in Wolverine Origins. We're talking about the shot done in X2 by a normal cop with a normal gun that knocked out wolverine.

As for stabbing Wolverine, no a stab to the head won't penetrate, but a stab through the heart, lungs, eyes, or groin will give logan some severe pain and may crumple him for a bit. This movie Logan after all seems to feel pain like a normal person and suffer it's after effects if albeit briefly.

Bullet to the head feat was corrected in Origins.

And yeah, as Mindset stated Logan had his gut burnt open and continued to push forward against the Phoenix. And can heal major wounds within a second. X2 was stupid.

His high end feats outshine his low end ones.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Bullet to the head feat was corrected in Origins.

And yeah, as Mindset stated Logan had his gut burnt open and continued to push forward against the Phoenix. And can heal major wounds within a second. X2 was stupid.

His high end feats outshine his low end ones.

Well if we're using high end feats for Wolverine we should also use high end feats for the T1000... in which case he was running while being continuously shot at and he didn't even slow down. He took a shot to the head without missing a beat. He was punched in the head and just immediately rellocated that area as his hands and slammed Arnie. He also walked through fire.

They may or may not be as good as the showings of Wolverine, but we need to start agreeing whether we're just using high end showings of both, low end showings, or everything considered.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well Once the T-1000 has to regenerate, it has to stop what it's doing to reassemble/re-order...and more damage it takes, less effective it is, by screenfeats.
Forget rewatching, actually watch T2 for the first time to see this lol

More denial of anything that might endanger a biased T1000 win nonsense again..
A power station? A hospital? The truck that was featured in T2.
Plenty of things that are extreme heat too, that seems to prevent quick cohesion too.

Oh.. that admantium bullet, you mean? "And wheres he gonna get that?".
T-1000 is not Sabretooth.

The only thing that slowed down the T-1000 is liquid nitrogen. Stabbing him doesn't work, shooting him doesn't work, punching him doesn't work, slicing him doesn't work.

Wtf is Wolverine going to use in a power station or hospital against the T-1000? Fire didn't even phase the T-1000 so you're going to need something comparable to molten metal and I honestly don't know where Logan will find that. Besides this is all completely out of character for Wolverine, he's brawler not a thinker or planner.

No, I mean that regular bullet in X2 that knocked him the **** out.
No, he's better than Sabretooth. Wolverine also koed himself in X1 when he stabbed himself in the heart. The T-1000 can easily do that.

Heat messes him up too...being dumped in a steel Vat, taking time to get his poop together after that truck exploded in the storm drain canal chase..the heat pressure of that RPG round blowing up that left him frozen as pretzel man before taking his plunge into the Vat..

Liquid Nitrogen. As stated/proved above, the fire did phase T-1000.
T-1000 is always slower for a bit after dealing with exterme heat.
Oh so wolverine just drools and sits in the corner? lol Instinct counts a long way with Loganistic Wolverines...

Well if its H2H wolverine wouldnt have to worry about bullets, and T-1000 can't form guns or things with complex moving parts.
Better but not bigger/more powerful. But T-1000 (even if successful, which he wouldn't be if Logan simply cuts off whatever the f**k comes in towards him from T-1000, over and over again) what could T-1000 do to Wolverine beyond that? I mean: Thats where the trip would end for T-1000. Especially if Logan decides to regen at the sort of rate show in X3 against Phoenix...

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Heat messes him up too...being dumped in a steel Vat, taking time to get his poop together after that truck exploded in the storm drain canal chase..the heat pressure of that RPG round blowing up that left him frozen as pretzel man before taking his plunge into the Vat..

Liquid Nitrogen. As stated/proved above, the fire did phase T-1000.
T-1000 is always slower for a bit after dealing with exterme heat.
Oh so wolverine just drools and sits in the corner? lol Instinct counts a long way with Loganistic Wolverines...

Well if its H2H wolverine wouldnt have to worry about bullets, and T-1000 can't form guns or things with complex moving parts.
Better but not bigger/more powerful. But T-1000 (even if successful, which he wouldn't be if Logan simply cuts off whatever the f**k comes in towards him from T-1000, over and over again) what could T-1000 do to Wolverine beyond that? I mean: Thats where the trip would end for T-1000. Especially if Logan decides to regen at the sort of rate show in X3 against Phoenix...

The only heat that messed him up was from the molten steel. He walked through the fire without giving a shit. RPG? When was the last time you saw T2? It was a grenade launcher and he fell because he lost balance after it blew him up.

Where. Will. He. Find. Liquid. Nitrogen. They don't sell this stuff at Wallmart. The fire didn't phase him at all. He calmly walked through it.
What instincts? Movie Wolverine only knew how to stab things.

He had a gun on his uniform but he wouldn't really need it. If Sabretooth can knock out Wolverine with a single blow so can the T-1000. It was stronger than the T-800. The moment Wolverine cuts something it will instantly reform. His attacks will be futile.

Originally posted by Psychotron
The only heat that messed him up was from the molten steel. He walked through the fire without giving a shit. RPG? When was the last time you saw T2? It was a grenade launcher and he fell because he lost balance after it blew him up.

Where. Will. He. Find. Liquid. Nitrogen. They don't sell this stuff at Wallmart. The fire didn't phase him at all. He calmly walked through it.
What instincts? Movie Wolverine only knew how to stab things.

He had a gun on his uniform but he wouldn't really need it. If Sabretooth can knock out Wolverine with a single blow so can the T-1000. It was stronger than the T-800. The moment Wolverine cuts something it will instantly reform. His attacks will be futile.

well since he didn't use a gun than he can't use it here..

also by that same token, nothing T1000 does to Logan will even hurt him.. by Logan's fight with Phoenix in X3 he'll regen at a high rate, take his time and ko the T1000

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
well since he didn't use a gun than he can't use it here..

also by that same token, nothing T1000 does to Logan will even hurt him.. by Logan's fight with Phoenix in X3 he'll regen at a high rate, take his time and ko the T1000

So you're going to discount X1 and X2?

Originally posted by Psychotron
So you're going to discount X1 and X2?

no, just pointing out what happened between jean and logan.. T1000 doesn't have a gun which was the only thing shown to knock logan out..

also the T1000's h2h skills aren't all that while logan displayed great skill

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
T1000 doesn't have a gun which was the only thing shown to knock logan out..

He was also knocked out when Sabretooth hit him with a tree trunk and sent his ass flying in X1.

To be fair though, he had just flown through his truck's windshield and skidding on his face for a distance.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
no, just pointing out what happened between jean and logan.. T1000 doesn't have a gun which was the only thing shown to knock logan out..

also the T1000's h2h skills aren't all that while logan displayed great skill

Great skill??? He was getting the crap beat out of him by Mystique. In fact, he got his ass handed to him in nearly every h2h fight he had. He only won his h2h fights due to his HF and some lucky shots.

And why are we saying that T1000 doesn't have a gun? So Logan is free to go grab some liquid nitrogen while the T1000 can't grab a gun?

And why are you disregarding the fact that Logan knocked himself out by stabbing himself through the heart? If he can do that, then the T1000 can also knock him out by stabbing him through the heart.

Now, give me a concrete example (that has been proven) of how Wolverine can knock out T1000? The T1000 has never been shown to be knocked out by cutting him to pieces. In fact, we're not even sure if he can be cut into pieces. So all you're doing is "theorizing" that Logan can cut him up into pieces which will therefore knock him out. But that's all that is, a THEORY. Fact is, the single and only time the T1000 was knocked out via dismembering is when he shattered due to liquid nitrogen. You have no proof that he can actually be knocked out by getting cut up, or even if he can get cut up for that matter.

There is however proof that Wolverine was KO'd by getting stabbed, and getting the wind knocked out of him by strong enough hits.

Originally posted by Psychotron
The only heat that messed him up was from the molten steel. He walked through the fire without giving a shit. RPG? When was the last time you saw T2? It was a grenade launcher and he fell because he lost balance after it blew him up.

It took his sweet time reforming and coming out of that fire.
Remember all that time in which the wait came then tyre came rolling out...then Arnie rides off, then T-1000 came out in unfinished basic chrome mode as it still hadnt quite gotten back together after that time.

Where. Will. He. Find. Liquid. Nitrogen. They don't sell this stuff at Wallmart. The fire didn't phase him at all. He calmly walked through it.
What instincts? Movie Wolverine only knew how to stab things.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oct/08/mp-ban-liquid-nitrogen-drinks

He had a gun on his uniform but he wouldn't really need it. If Sabretooth can knock out Wolverine with a single blow so can the T-1000. It was stronger than the T-800. The moment Wolverine cuts something it will instantly reform. His attacks will be futile.

Ohhhh. So: Liquid nitrogen trucks that were legitimately in T2: Not allowed presumably because it would be an asset to Wolverine, BUT T-1000 is allowed T2 feats like murdering a the cop and taking his gun as per screenfeats??!?!? LOLOLOLOLOLOL
It wasnt stronger. Just a bit faster and could do a couple of extra tricks. TX would beat the T-1000, and a T-800 was stronger than that. So nooooooooooo.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth

Ohhhh. So: Liquid nitrogen trucks that were legitimately in T2: Not allowed presumably because it would be an asset to Wolverine, BUT T-1000 is allowed T2 feats like murdering a the cop and taking his gun as per screenfeats??!?!? LOLOLOLOLOLOL
It wasnt stronger. Just a bit faster and could do a couple of extra tricks. TX would beat the T-1000, and a T-800 was stronger than that. So nooooooooooo.

It's not that anyone is saying liquid nitrogen isn't allowed. It's just that liquid nitrogen is way harder to find than a hand gun is. If the fight were to take place in a city for example, how many cops are walking around that the T1000 can kill and grab the gun... vs. how many places where Wolverine can go and get liquid nitrogen? Add to the fact that Logan will actually NEED to KNOW where to get the nitrogen, whereas it's relatively easy to know where to grab a gun.

And where are you getting that a T800 is stronger than a T1000?

You do not need a licence for buying drinks. Did you see my link?
Regular guns would do shit against Wolverine, most likely, if he can see T-1000 drawing, Wolverine could block/deflect with his claws, forearms in pretty much most instances. And sure, good point, whats to stop Wolverine stocking up at Ammunation and making sure that the rest of the lifespan of T-1000 is occupied in regenerating/reforming at range from ammo fire of heavy cal, small arms fire, explosives, grenade launchers etc etc?
And the T-1000 wasn't all that at aiming. Watch the movie and see how many times he fired at The Connors and missed. Meanwhile...look at the T-800's accuracy..

I'm was getting that from the movies, and James Camerons description of the T-1000 as being a light flashy porsche, and the T-800 being a tank.
Drive one into the other and see which one survives. 🙂

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You do not need a licence for buying drinks. Did you see my link?
Regular guns would do shit against Wolverine, most likely, if he can see T-1000 drawing, Wolverine could block/deflect with his claws, forearms in pretty much most instances. And sure, good point, whats to stop Wolverine stocking up at Ammunation and making sure that the rest of the lifespan of T-1000 is occupied in regenerating/reforming at range from ammo fire of heavy cal, small arms fire, explosives, grenade launchers etc etc?
And the T-1000 wasn't all that at aiming. Watch the movie and see how many times he fired at The Connors and missed. Meanwhile...look at the T-800's accuracy..

I'm was getting that from the movies, and James Camerons description of the T-1000 as being a light flashy porsche, and the T-800 being a tank.
Drive one into the other and see which one survives. 🙂

You fail to realize however that the porsche has some pretty strong horsepower as well.

But forget that, just look at the h2h fights of the T1000 vs. the T800. The T1000 had no problems matching the T800's strength, and if anything was even stronger as shown by him eventually being the one to throw around the T800.

As for Wolverine loading up on ammunition and firearms, sure he can do that, but so can the T1000. And if both of them start firing at each other with grenade launchers and machine guns and all, whom do you think will take a longer time to regenerate?

Clue: Wolverine was groggy and almost knocked out when Sabertooth threw him against an oncoming van, or when Sabes dropped logs on him. How long do you think he'll recover from getting hit by a grenade?

No I realised it and of course knew how irrelevant it is aside from how it pertained to the question of: "How far would the little bits of Porsche fly on fire when colliding head on with the tank?" 🙂

But...erm the T800 also threw the T-1000 about...

The T-1000 most likely, judging by X3 vs T2 feats.

Well thats nice an irrelevent, since the T-1000 wasn't shown to be either strong enough or maybe not animalistic or stupid (for that read: Not a fan of energy unefficient strategies"😉 enough to be lobbing tree trunks around at anyone...

"Not long, By X3 feats".

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
No I realised it and of course knew how irrelevant it is aside from how it pertained to the question of: "How far would the little bits of Porsche fly on fire when colliding head on with the tank?" 🙂

But...erm the T800 also threw the T-1000 about...

The T-1000 most likely, judging by X3 vs T2 feats.

Well thats nice an irrelevent, since the T-1000 wasn't shown to be either strong enough or maybe not animalistic or stupid (for that read: Not a fan of energy unefficient strategies"😉 enough to be lobbing tree trunks around at anyone...

"Not long, By X3 feats".

Well yes, they were throwing each other around (which is why they're comparable in strength), but it was eventually the T-1000 who overpowered the T-800 and got the upperhand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SZWfapRNqc

Just wanted to prove that the T-1000 is physically stronger than the T-800 or at least the same strength.

And sabertooth wasn't strong enough to throw logs either, he just dropped them on Logan. But I'm not saying the T-1000 needs to throw logs at Logan, I just mentioned that to show how easily it is for Wolverine to get his bell rung.

He had some great showings in X3, but that's just one movie out of 4, 3 of the others showed him being easily knocked down and made groggy. Even the Phoenix showing, Phoenix was disintegrating others, but she wasn't generating concussive force. Wolverine doesn't seem to fair well with concussive forces as he always seems dizzy or groggy whenever he suffers a heavy hit.

That's why I mentioned him getting hit by a van or by logs, because if he gets hit by a grenade explosion or by multiple shotgun hits to the head or by multiple punches by the T-1000 to the head, he isn't just shrugging those off.