Originally posted by FrothByte
[B]Well yes, they were throwing each other around (which is why they're comparable in strength), but it was eventually the T-1000 who overpowered the T-800 and got the upperhand.
He used a spear and the cog of a machine in the surrounding....and a weight-supported-I-Beam girder to end the confrontation.
But the upperhand was had by the endurable T-800 who then decimated T-1000 again with the grenade from his conveyor belt position. "It aint over til its over."
Just wanted to prove that the T-1000 is physically stronger than the T-800 or at least the same strength.
See Robtard's post. And getting his beel rung seems to take more than T-1000 has been shown to deliver.
And sabertooth wasn't strong enough to throw logs either, he just dropped them on Logan. But I'm not saying the T-1000 needs to throw logs at Logan, I just mentioned that to show how easily it is for Wolverine to get his bell rung.
Being molecularly disintergrated is more damge to regen from that get twatted by something. Especially as T-1000 never really showed any concussive force that could oblitorate people at a molecular level...
He had some great showings in X3, but that's just one movie out of 4, 3 of the others showed him being easily knocked down and made groggy. Even the Phoenix showing, Phoenix was disintegrating others, but she wasn't generating concussive force. Wolverine doesn't seem to fair well with concussive forces as he always seems dizzy or groggy whenever he suffers a heavy hit.
He might. For all the force generation that we've seen from T-1000 against the full offense/defence of Wolverine.
That's why I mentioned him getting hit by a van or by logs, because if he gets hit by a grenade explosion or by multiple shotgun hits to the head or by multiple punches by the T-1000 to the head, he isn't just shrugging those off.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
At no point did the T-1000 finally beat the T-800 h2h in that fight.He used a spear and the cog of a machine in the surrounding....and a weight-supported-I-Beam girder to end the confrontation.
But the upperhand was had by the endurable T-800 who then decimated T-1000 again with the grenade from his conveyor belt position. "It aint over til its over."Fair enough. Well since the T-800's feats of lifting/stopping that massive nuclear bulkhead door in T3, and displayed feats of levering it's own arm off in T2 were in excess of anything that the T-1000 ever did, I'd say that you're still left wanting, in that regard.
See Robtard's post. And getting his beel rung seems to take more than T-1000 has been shown to deliver.
Especially when it's arms and legs are repeatedly cut off by Wolverine-o-matic actions.Being molecularly disintergrated is more damge to regen from that get twatted by something. Especially as T-1000 never really showed any concussive force that could oblitorate people at a molecular level...
He might. For all the force generation that we've seen from T-1000 against the full offense/defence of Wolverine.
And if Wolverine cuts T-1000 into pieces and T-1000 goes to regen mode for those technically KO'd 11 secs or so, Wolverine is first to the KO here.
You didn't watch the vid I guess? Here it is again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SZWfapRNqc
The fight I'm talking about is the shoving/throwing match they got into at the mall. T1000 clearly had the upperhand and overpowered the T800. Watch that video near the end. Which means that all those strength feats you mentioned for T800 in T3, well the T1000 either equals those or suppasses it.
About sabertooth, I actually completely forgot about Tyler Mane. You have to admit though that that version of Sabertooth is stronger that Liev's version.
I am not questioning Wolverine's regen ability. I get it, he regenerates fast. But getting knocked out has very little to do with regeneration. The examples I've shown, I've been trying to point out how easily Wolverine's bell gets rung. He's stunned by normal attacks (as shown against his fight against Mystique) and stronger hits clearly daze him (like his fight against Blob) and even stronger hits come close to knocking him out (like getting hit by a van).
Now, none of this has anything to do with his regeneration. That's what you're trying to show the with Phoenix episode right? That he's capable of instant regen? Well getting knocked out isn't about regen. And Logan has been shown to get dazed/stunned by strong enough hits, and the T1000 is definitely strong enough. Maybe not strong enough to knock him out with one punch, but definitely strong enough to daze him.
Besides, there's still no proof that the T1000 can get sliced into many tiny little bits. From what we've seen in the movie, he just sticks back together again. The only times he had trouble re-attaching was when he exploded via being freezed with nitrogen and during the end when he got hit by a grenade launcher, but by then he was already unstable. That one time a piece of his hand was blown off, he didn't exactly seem weakened by it and didn't need to go into extended "healing mode" as you put it.
And if you're gonna use that 6 shotgun shots to show how he was knocket out for 11 secs, then we also use that single gunshot to the head in X2 to show that Wolverine can be knocked out easier.
Fact is, T1000 has never been shown to get knocked out by slicing or cutting or stabbing... in which case Logan's claws are useless here.
On a side note, I wonder what happens if it's the T1000 who gets some liquid nitrogen and freezes logan with it.
The Wolverine fanboy disease has finally breached the Movie Versus Forum. I'm surprised it has withstood it for so long. We've been fighting a long time. We are out numbered by rabid fanboys.
If you’re hearing this, you are the Resistance.
Originally posted by FrothByte
You didn't watch the vid I guess? Here it is again:
The fight I'm talking about is the shoving/throwing match they got into at the mall. T1000 clearly had the upperhand and overpowered the T800. Watch that video near the end. Which means that all those strength feats you mentioned for T800 in T3, well the T1000 either equals those or suppasses it.
Not the same as displaying strength. Doing some judo on a heaveir more powerful opponet and spinning him through a shop window is not the same as stopping that door. Sorry, but its not.
I am not questioning Wolverine's regen ability. I get it, he regenerates fast. But getting knocked out has very little to do with regeneration. The examples I've shown, I've been trying to point out how easily Wolverine's bell gets rung. He's stunned by normal attacks (as shown against his fight against Mystique) and stronger hits clearly daze him (like his fight against Blob) and even stronger hits come close to knocking him out (like getting hit by a van).
Now, none of this has anything to do with his regeneration. That's what you're trying to show the with Phoenix episode right? That he's capable of instant regen? Well getting knocked out isn't about regen. And Logan has been shown to get dazed/stunned by strong enough hits, and the T1000 is definitely strong enough. Maybe not strong enough to knock him out with one punch, but definitely strong enough to daze him.
See aboove anser. Limbless T-1000 would be carp at KOing, even if he was shown to be able to KO someone (which he wasn't.)
He just stabs, and the impeneterable skeleton and regen would make that tactic moot.
Besides, there's still no proof that the T1000 can get sliced into many tiny little bits. From what we've seen in the movie, he just sticks back together again. The only times he had trouble re-attaching was when he exploded via being freezed with nitrogen and during the end when he got hit by a grenade launcher, but by then he was already unstable. That one time a piece of his hand was blown off, he didn't exactly seem weakened by it and didn't need to go into extended "healing mode" as you put it.
And if you're gonna use that 6 shotgun shots to show how he was knocket out for 11 secs, then we also use that single gunshot to the head in X2 to show that Wolverine can be knocked out easier.
No but regen mode implies stasis whilst performed: Technically KO and win under MVF rules.
Fact is, T1000 has never been shown to get knocked out by slicing or cutting or stabbing... in which case Logan's claws are useless here.
On a side note, I wonder what happens if it's the T1000 who gets some liquid nitrogen and freezes logan with it.
On another, what if Logan hits T-1000 with a small tactical nuke? Or flies the X jet up its ass? 🙂
Originally posted by Placidity
The Wolverine fanboy disease has finally breached the Movie Versus Forum. I'm surprised it has withstood it for so long. We've been fighting a long time. We are out numbered by rabid fanboys.If you’re hearing this, you are the Resistance.
Hope you weren't snidily trying to infer that Im a Wolverine fanboy just because Im arguing against T-1000 here..I argued against him in threads before and am a big Terminator fan.
Nice reference though.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Same blocked-ass vid.Not the same as displaying strength. Doing some judo on a heaveir more powerful opponet and spinning him through a shop window is not the same as stopping that door. Sorry, but its not.
Right, but the script driven safeteys are off here. Wolverine would
being dismantling T-1000 everytime he stepped in.
Hacking off limbs, heads, nutsacks.. whatever..meanwhile there wouldnt be that much that T1000 could do about it either.See aboove anser. Limbless T-1000 would be carp at KOing, even if he was shown to be able to KO someone (which he wasn't.)
He just stabs, and the impeneterable skeleton and regen would make that tactic moot.Yeah there is...if Wolverine had stood toe to toe with the T1000popsicle (doable since as prove Wolverine could easily find some Liquid nitrogen at any of the sourses listed previously including bars and pubs (places Logan frequents with great regularity) T1000 would get ice sculpted.
Well adamantium forearms and claws deflect this time, having learned his lesson....go ahead: Argue otherwise..
No but regen mode implies stasis whilst performed: Technically KO and win under MVF rules.
Well that'd be interesting, no mistake.
On another, what if Logan hits T-1000 with a small tactical nuke? Or flies the X jet up its ass? 🙂
You guys are the ones always insisting that the T-1000 doesn't have that much h2h skills, but now you say he used judo on the T-800? Lol. He used no judo. Him being able to out-shove the T-800 and eventually throw him through a window is pure strength. Either that, or the T-1000 has judo skills. Which one is it? But even if that's the case, there's no proof that the T-800 is stronger. The best you can hope for (if you keep turning a blind eye to the shown proof) is that they're the same strength... which means that the T-1000 is stronger than Wolverine.
So you also admit that Wolverine CAN'T cut-off the T-1000's limbs without the help of liquid nitrogen yes? Because that's all the proof you have. Heck, with liquid nitrogen the T1000 can mess up Wolverine just as badly. Fact is, Wolverine needs either liquid nitrogen or a molten pit to win this. And regardless of what you may think, getting liquid nitrogen isn't that easy. Yes possible to get it, but not easy.
The OP really needs to make clear where this fight is happening. If it's in a city where Wolverine can get access to liquid nitrogen, then it's pretty easy as well for the T1000 to get into a car and just ram into Wolverine. You can't keep tipping the environment in favor of Wolverine.
All the scenarios I created that show a win for the T1000 is easier to accomplish than your scenarios for a Logan win.
You say Wolverine can get a shotgun and shoot the T1000 6 times to score a 10 second knockout? I say T1000 gets a handgun and shoots Wolverine in the head once for a knockout.
You say Wolverine will get liquid nitrogen, freeze the T1000, then slice and dice him and throw away the pieces? I say the T1000 rams Wolverine with a car than ties him up spread eagled and that's that. Or heck, the T1000 can freeze Wolverine with liquid nitrogen and just leave him there frozen.
You say Wolverine can drop the T1000 in a melting vat? I say the T1000 bearhugs logan and drop them both in a swimming pool and just lay there till Wolverine drowns. It's far easier to find a deep enough body of water to do this rather than finding a melting vat.
You say Wolverine keeps trying to slice off limbs of T1000 till it can't heal properly? I say T1000 keeps kicking logan in the groin till he blacks out from pain.
Oh, and Logan isn't a speedster, nor does he have Spiderman like reflexes. He is not fast enough to block bullets with his arms or claws. He can probably get a few lucky blocks, but that's all they are: Lucky.
I'm done here. If you guys really think it's easier for Logan to get a whole load of liquid nitrogen as opposed to the T1000 simply finding something heavy to drop on Logan's head... well, there's no use debating then.
Originally posted by FrothByte
If it's in a city where Wolverine can get access to liquid nitrogen...
If that's the case the fight is pretty stupid.
Why do we even need to pit Wolverine + Liquid Nitrogen against T1000? Heck, use Kevin McCallister with liquid nitrogen and you could script a win.
If people want to only consider high end Wolverine feats and ignore his established weaknesses, then you should treat the T-1000 the same way. As has been stated many times, T-1000 can go into liquid form, Wolverine would be trying to cut water, like the prison bars going through the Terminator.
T-1000 incapacitates Wolverine like Lady Deathstrike and Weapon XI did. To avoid the proof that he was beaten twice in a similar manner in significant (final boss) fights is poor debating.
Wolverine by virtue of his own weapons and abilities cannot beat the T-1000.
Originally posted by FrothByte
[B]You guys are the ones always insisting that the T-1000 doesn't have that much h2h skills, but now you say he used judo on the T-800? Lol. He used no judo. Him being able to out-shove the T-800 and eventually throw him through a window is pure strength. Either that, or the T-1000 has judo skills. Which one is it? But even if that's the case, there's no proof that the T-800 is stronger. The best you can hope for (if you keep turning a blind eye to the shown proof) is that they're the same strength... which means that the T-1000 is stronger than Wolverine.
So you also admit that Wolverine CAN'T cut-off the T-1000's limbs without the help of liquid nitrogen yes? Because that's all the proof you have. Heck, with liquid nitrogen the T1000 can mess up Wolverine just as badly. Fact is, Wolverine needs either liquid nitrogen or a molten pit to win this. And regardless of what you may think, getting liquid nitrogen isn't that easy. Yes possible to get it, but not easy.
Nope. I never said that at all.
I just said that the could then take his time and Ice sculpt him into the shape of a penis to humilate him in front of the pile of frozen t-1000 chips that would be on the floor looking on in the nearest thing that would pass for horror (a cyberdyne "Oh my f**king god, that cat just shanked me til my remains looked like a schlong" simulation subroutine perhaps) allowing for an amusing and creative finish.
The OP really needs to make clear where this fight is happening. If it's in a city where Wolverine can get access to liquid nitrogen, then it's pretty easy as well for the T1000 to get into a car and just ram into Wolverine. You can't keep tipping the environment in favor of Wolverine.
Oh so Logan's feet are gonna be nailed to the floor for this fight?
And suddenly he can't drive, himself or be in the Xjet like in the movies?
All the scenarios I created that show a win for the T1000 is easier to accomplish than your scenarios for a Logan win.
You say Wolverine can get a shotgun and shoot the T1000 6 times to score a 10 second knockout? I say T1000 gets a handgun and shoots Wolverine in the head once for a knockout.
Yeah but that means nothing. Wolverine got shot at a lot and dodged and deflected a lot of bullets... Faced worse against that weapon x dude.
T-1000 misses a lot and gets hit a lot.
You say Wolverine will get liquid nitrogen, freeze the T1000, then slice and dice him and throw away the pieces? I say the T1000 rams Wolverine with a car than ties him up spread eagled and that's that. Or heck, the T1000 can freeze Wolverine with liquid nitrogen and just leave him there frozen.
You say Wolverine can drop the T1000 in a melting vat? I say the T1000 bearhugs logan and drop them both in a swimming pool and just lay there till Wolverine drowns. It's far easier to find a deep enough body of water to do this rather than finding a melting vat.
You said it. T-1000 gets frozen and dumped at sea via X-Jet.
How can he bearhug (a tac not seen onscreen) with no arms or legs?
You say Wolverine keeps trying to slice off limbs of T1000 till it can't heal properly? I say T1000 keeps kicking logan in the groin till he blacks out from pain.
Oh, and Logan isn't a speedster, nor does he have Spiderman like reflexes. He is not fast enough to block bullets with his arms or claws. He can probably get a few lucky blocks, but that's all they are: Lucky.
I'm done here. If you guys really think it's easier for Logan to get a whole load of liquid nitrogen as opposed to the T1000 simply finding something heavy to drop on Logan's head... well, there's no use debating then.
Originally posted by Placidity
[B]If that's the case the fight is pretty stupid.Why do we even need to pit Wolverine + Liquid Nitrogen against T1000? Heck, use Kevin McCallister with liquid nitrogen and you could script a win.
Its a debate on the net about two fictional characters from scifi and fantasy movies...on the internets...of course its a bit stupid.
The nitrogen is just one stated projected way of Wolverwinnage.
But no I dont script.
If people want to only consider high end Wolverine feats and ignore his established weaknesses, then you should treat the T-1000 the same way. As has been stated many times, T-1000 can go into liquid form, Wolverine would be trying to cut water, like the prison bars going through the Terminator.
Thats a big old 'If' and also a very wrong one. We just took into account T-1000's weaknesses too, (I know that was naughty and I wasn't meant to do that lest the wrath of the Cyberdyne systems fanboy units cried polymimetic alloy tears, but hey, balance had to be achieved for sake of some sort of realistic debate..) If the T-1000 is in liquid form, it is harmless to Logan and it is like the T-1000 has ran away like a little girly Cissy Mary.
T-1000 incapacitates Wolverine like Lady Deathstrike and Weapon XI did. To avoid the proof that he was beaten twice in a similar manner in significant (final boss) fights is poor debating.
Wolverine by virtue of his own weapons and abilities cannot beat the T-1000.
In your opinion. And I'd say "and vice versa" too, in that case, since it has no real way to kill Wolverine before it is cut to bits and forced to hibernate and regenerate. (IE lose by KO)
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Its a debate on the net about two fictional characters from scifi and fantasy movies...on the internets...of course its a bit stupid.
The nitrogen is just one stated projected way of Wolverwinnage.
But no I dont script.
Standard rules can be any neutral arena, but does not include leaving the battlefield. If one character requires certain environment in a fight to compete, there is no mystery as to who is superior.
I would not be against a movie Wolverine vs T-1000 scenario, but that is completely different to a standard "1v1 lets see who is better" fight, and debaters must acknowledge it.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
If the T-1000 is in liquid form, it is harmless to Logan and it is like the T-1000 has ran away like a little girly Cissy Mary.
The T-1000 can turn solid at any time, he would obviously do this at an appropriate time, for example when Logan's hand is in his body.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Whos scripting now...?
What I said was the exact opposite of scripting.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
In your opinion. And I'd say "and vice versa" too, in that case, since it has no real way to kill Wolverine before it is cut to bits and forced to hibernate and regenerate. (IE lose by KO)
No, that would be inaccurate. By virtue of T-1000 abilities, he has the capacity to win even against a Wolverine at full capacity. The reverse cannot be said for Wolverine.
All your arguments mentioning T-1000 being defeated by being cut up or KO'ed were based on inconsistent, rare lowest end feats, and therefore not full capacity.
Wolverine's average capacities are well established and generally consistent, including his strength levels, speed, pain threshold, ability to be incapacitated etc.
Even granting him his high end feats, i.e. Phoenix healing, still does not grant him the ability to win. Capacity to win depends on his damage output and it's effectiveness, not defensive/passive abilities that factor in only on endurance and persistence in the fight.
Wolverine's loss to Lady Deathstrike and Weapon XI, two significant fights, which he was defeated in a similar manner is indicative of his limits - that is unless you wish to assert him losing was merely PIS, which you'll have an extremely hard time proving.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Good call but, terminology aside, explodey thing caused concussive and heat damage, finally destabilised and fecked up the T-1000 (already messed up as proved by slowness and lack of control over shapeshifting technique as shown on screen. with its hands and feet immitating anything it touched, randomly)It took his sweet time reforming and coming out of that fire.
Remember all that time in which the wait came then tyre came rolling out...then Arnie rides off, then T-1000 came out in unfinished basic chrome mode as it still hadnt quite gotten back together after that time.Ive. Already. Answered. That. One. Would. You. Like. Me. To. Do. So. Again. Perhaps. Even. More. Elaborately?
Hospitals. Doctors. Science Labs. Military bases. Fire stations. Rocket Bases. Many different manufacturers of industrial items. Chiropodists. Vets. Ebay. Anyone's house who had bought it off of Ebay. Passing tankers on the way to any of these places. Many Many places use it.
Even Bars/Restaurants:http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oct/08/mp-ban-liquid-nitrogen-drinks
Ohhhh. So: Liquid nitrogen trucks that were legitimately in T2: Not allowed presumably because it would be an asset to Wolverine, BUT T-1000 is allowed T2 feats like murdering a the cop and taking his gun as per screenfeats??!?!? LOLOLOLOLOLOL
It wasnt stronger. Just a bit faster and could do a couple of extra tricks. TX would beat the T-1000, and a T-800 was stronger than that. So nooooooooooo.
I have no idea why you think the heat had anything to do with it when it was obvious the concussive force from the grenade exploding inside him was what momentarily damaged the T-1000 and caused it to lose balance.
A whole truck just exploded. It's logical to assume he was damaged, possibly in pieces. That's why it took the T-1000 some time to come out. If it was the fire he wouldn't have slowly walked through it.
So you think Wolverine, the berserk brawler that he is, will just stop in the middle of the fight and start looking for liquid nitrogen? That's completely OC.
Well I'm assuming he's already in the cop uniform because that's what he wore the WHOLE movie.
No. The T-1000 overpowered the T-800 in a couple of scenes for one. For two the Terminator in T3 was a T-850. Three the T-X was still stronger than it and four the T-X can only win with it's plasma weapon. She loses just like Arnie did H2H.
1) Elementary, dear Watson: Because of the fact that t-1000 lost its shit with camoflaging and speed mostly after the freezing/reheating incident before all that. (Unless its non existant power cell was running out after like 2 days....) Well between this being pointing out and a cursory rewatch of T2: Special edition, you should now have an idea. 🙂
OMG No. Just NO!!!! Thats something that you just said.
He didn't. Watch T2 again. Pay attention to his arrival from the future....its wrong to just randomly make shit up about such classic beloved movies man. Thats like saying Arnie arrives in the present from the future with Clothes, Minigun, Shades and Harley Davidson.
Would be cool if they were standard, but nooooooooooooo. They arent. Its like Kyle Reese, all the T800s. The T1000 and TX...on site physical or simulated camouflage procurement is a standard feature in all films.
3) Whilst TX was better designed than T-1000, it still was overpowered by T800 at all the right times.... (Like when T800 overpowered it and stuffed a power cell in it's mouth and blew it to kingdom come for example...) Whatever, Adamtium cuts through t-1000 like a knife through butter, and Wolverine is faster than T-800s...
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
1) Elementary, dear Watson: Because of the fact that t-1000 lost its shit with camoflaging and speed mostly after the freezing/reheating incident before all that. (Unless its non existant power cell was running out after like 2 days....) Well between this being pointing out and a cursory rewatch of T2: Special edition, you should now have an idea. 🙂2)
OMG No. Just NO!!!! Thats something that you just said.
He didn't. Watch T2 again. Pay attention to his arrival from the future....its wrong to just randomly make shit up about such classic beloved movies man. Thats like saying Arnie arrives in the present from the future with Clothes, Minigun, Shades and Harley Davidson.
Would be cool if they were standard, but nooooooooooooo. They arent. Its like Kyle Reese, all the T800s. The T1000 and TX...on site physical or simulated camouflage procurement is a standard feature in all films.3) Whilst TX was better designed than T-1000, it still was overpowered by T800 at all the right times.... (Like when T800 overpowered it and stuffed a power cell in it's mouth and blew it to kingdom come for example...) Whatever, Adamtium cuts through t-1000 like a knife through butter, and Wolverine is faster than T-800s...
1) You are speaking nonsense. The T-1000 didn't lose it's speed at all, it only had problems with it's shapeshifting. That was because of the liquid nitrogen, but that doesn't mean the heat from the grenade did any damage. If it did the T-1000 would have been at least partly melted. But as we've seen it can walk through fire without issue. So I'm afraid you theory is bullshit.
2) What the hell are you talking about? The T-850 clearly states it's a different 101. That and the completely different power source should have tipped you off.
3) The T-X was inferior to the T-1000, the helicopter crash wouldn't have stopped the T-1000. The T-850 wouldn't have been able to stop it at the door either. The T-X had only basic shapeshifting. The only advantage it had was the built in weapons and it wouldn't even need them in the future. I like how you forgot to mention the T-X had no legs and a broken arm when the T-850 "overpowered" it. I also like how you forgot to mention that the T-X dominated Arnie in their H2H fight.
1) Your saying Im speaking nonsense is nonsense defined. Look at it's final minutes and look at its loss of system control, and the T-1000's puzzled reaction to it's own feckless feckness.
It took ages to emerge from the truck fire in the storm drain canal. And if it was that heat resistant, it should have just jumped straight out of the vat, right?
Oh I'M talking bullshit? Your willful obtuse ignorance of facts shown onscreen and substituted fantasy versions of stuff are why you cannot be take seriously, I'm afraid.*
2) Oh right, yeah the power source was totally different to the one pulled out of the T-800 and explained/examined complete with tech specs in the 1st and second mov....oh wait that never happened.
Prove it was different before refuting with such over confidence.
*Do you, BTW, admit you are wrong about the T1000 supposedly arriving from the future in cop uniform with gun...?
And whilst you are at it: where and what is the power cell/source on the T-1000..? Can you prove it lasts more than 2 days? Cause it looked like it was knackered by the end of T2... Losing system control, walking real slowly at Connor in complete contrast to it's earlier speeds and abilities, merging with floor grating and handrails all willy nilly.. 🙂
3) Inferior? lol Where was the plasma cannon in the T-1000 then?
Hmmmm. Didn't notice much control exerted over any and all mechanical devices by the T-1000...curious..
And WHY did it have no legs and a broken arm? Oh thats right: Arnie beat the living shit out of it throughout the movie..
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
1) Your saying Im speaking nonsense is nonsense defined. Look at it's final minutes and look at its loss of system control, and the T-1000's puzzled reaction to it's own feckless feckness.
It took ages to emerge from the truck fire in the storm drain canal. And if it was that heat resistant, it should have just jumped straight out of the vat, right?Oh I'M talking bullshit? Your willful obtuse ignorance of facts shown onscreen and substituted fantasy versions of stuff are why you cannot be take seriously, I'm afraid.*
2) Oh right, yeah the power source was totally different to the one pulled out of the T-800 and explained/examined complete with tech specs in the 1st and second mov....oh wait that never happened.
Prove it was different before refuting with such over confidence.
*Do you, BTW, admit you are wrong about the T1000 supposedly arriving from the future in cop uniform with gun...?And whilst you are at it: where and what is the power cell/source on the T-1000..? Can you prove it lasts more than 2 days? Cause it looked like it was knackered by the end of T2... Losing system control, walking real slowly at Connor in complete contrast to it's earlier speeds and abilities, merging with floor grating and handrails all willy nilly.. 🙂
3) Inferior? lol Where was the plasma cannon in the T-1000 then?
Hmmmm. Didn't notice much control exerted over any and all mechanical devices by the T-1000...curious..
And WHY did it have no legs and a broken arm? Oh thats right: Arnie beat the living shit out of it throughout the movie..
1) It was caught in a freaking explosion. It obviously needed time to reform itself. If the T-1000 had a problem with fire it wouldn't have walked SLOWLY through the flames.
2) Jesus. Re-watch the damn films. The T-1000 impaled Arnold and damaged his primary power. If it had been the same as the one in T3 it would have exploded. But guess what, it didn't. Because it's a different 101 like it said. I never said it arrived in the cop uniform, only that it spent the whole movie minus the first 20 seconds wearing it.
No. That was the effect of the liquid nitrogen. And he was still walking at the exact same speed as he always did. Stop making shit up.
3) It doesn't need a plasma cannon because the future has plenty of plasma weapons the T-1000 can use. The only legit advantage the T-X has is the control over other machines.
The T-X was busted up because Arnold crashed a chopper on top of it. Before that it was undamaged and had ripped Arnold's head off. Did you forget that part? If the T-850 was stronger it wouldn't have had it's ass beat in their fight.
4) Acid? Magnets? Are making shit up right now? This isn't CISless Wolverine vs the T-1000. Wolverine fighting in character is a brawler, not a thinker.
1) But It DOES have a problem with heat. Maybe petroleum gas burns at different temperatures than those in the foundry, granted..
2) Ohhhhh right. You just said "The whole movie" earlier, and in context of attempting to justify T-1000's automatic possession of the firearm.
Big difference. And you take no responsibility for the context of how you said it, which was abundantly clear to all reading this.... 🙄
Damaged. Yes. Damaged in exactly the same way? Nope, judging by the lack of hydrogen explosion.
Oh thats right: You dont know what the power source is or it's properties for the T-1000. Nice dodge though.
3) And was T2 set in the future? Nope: It was travelling back to 1994/95. A better designed Terminator would have come back with built in weapons that would have given it an edge against all defences of that perio- Oh wait they did that in T3...
Ergo TX was the better design, especially with its other machine control capabilities too.... T2 would have been half hour long at best if it had such equipment.
4) Nope I making nothing up: Acid exists. Its both listed online as a weakness of Mimetic Polyalloy, and makes sense. Douse it in molecular acid and job done. Oh are you saying its acid resistant metal...? If so: You're the one making shit up (again)
And whether you continue to make like Wolverine's IQ is like 20 or not, (something that would be untrue, anyway) the act of spraying something in acid is not an advanced chess move. Plenty of street thugs have done it to their victims.
http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Mimetic_polyalloy
Also:
1) Explosion of not, still it was a very effective demonstration that it takes ages compared to Wolverine to regenerate when in pieces (In that incident's case, The 'in pieces' bit is speculation since we never actually see him in pieces in that incident, but we do see shit loads of flames). Since he ran after the bike and after cars etc chasing a slowerer moving Hog with one very heavy ass Cyborg and a passenger shouldn't have been probelm...but no...t-1000 was all fu**ed up (again) by a petrol tank explosion and some flames...
2) Also earlier on it was sprinting after shit like John on a Motorbike. And The connors in the escape from the hospital.. by the end, the best it could do was very slowly walk towards Sarah to close range...
So Im making up exactly Zero. Nada. Zip. Nothing. Zilch.