Wolverine vs T-1000

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
1) But It DOES have a problem with heat. Maybe petroleum gas burns at different temperatures than those in the foundry, granted..

2) Ohhhhh right. You just said "The whole movie" earlier, and in context of attempting to justify T-1000's automatic possession of the firearm.
Big difference. And you take no responsibility for the context of how you said it, which was abundantly clear to all reading this.... 🙄

Damaged. Yes. Damaged in exactly the same way? Nope, judging by the lack of hydrogen explosion.
Oh thats right: You dont know what the power source is or it's properties for the T-1000. Nice dodge though.

3) And was T2 set in the future? Nope: It was travelling back to 1994/95. A better designed Terminator would have come back with built in weapons that would have given it an edge against all defences of that perio- Oh wait they did that in T3...
Ergo TX was the better design, especially with its other machine control capabilities too.... T2 would have been half hour long at best if it had such equipment.

4) Nope I making nothing up: Acid exists. Its both listed online as a weakness of Mimetic Polyalloy, and makes sense. Douse it in molecular acid and job done. Oh are you saying its acid resistant metal...? If so: You're the one making shit up (again)
And whether you continue to make like Wolverine's IQ is like 20 or not, (something that would be untrue, anyway) the act of spraying something in acid is not an advanced chess move. Plenty of street thugs have done it to their victims.
http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Mimetic_polyalloy

1) Maybe? Of course it burns at a different degree. Do you have any idea of what temperatures are required to melt metal?

2) Except it's been reduced to puddles and it always reforms in it's cop form. Why? Because that's it's default form.

No. It's because it's a different series as stated by Arnold himself. It got a damn rod rammed through it. If it was a 850 it would have exploded. Fact.
I didn't dodge shit. I don't have to prove anything about the T-1000's power source because it's never been brought up in the film. Furthermore, it's moronic to assume a machine two generations ahead would have a dramatically shorter lifespan.

3) Except Terminators are supposed to be fighters in the future war. The time-travel was last, desperate attempt from Skynet to win the war. So no need for built in plasma weaponry.

4) How would Wolverine know the T-1000 is a mimetic polyalloy? Is he psychic now? And even if he magically knew that, it's still out of character form him to do any of that shit.

5) Wolverine also gets koed by bullets, stabs and blunt force. The T-1000 does not. Bullets make holes in it. What do you think a huge explosion would do?

6) It didn't sprint after John and the T-800 because it wouldn't be able to catch up, just like it couldn't catch up to the police car in the hospital part. The T-1000 almost never runs aside from those scenes. It doesn't run when it's chasing John in the mall for example. Why would it run in the factory when it knew they had nowhere to go?

1) Well if you knew, you'd probably delineate which kind..it depends on the metal. Lead, Gold, Steel and Titanium all have different points, for example.

2) More falsehoods. It was a preferred form. Liquid is it's default form. And this is absurdly obvious from the fact that it arrived as a non cop, killed a cop and immitated his uniform and took his gun... jesus..you cannot be serious, can you...?!?! Honestly? Why the f**k would it arrive naked then have to immitate a uniform if cop and cop uniform was it's default?!?!?! lolololololololololol 😂

3) So what...if T1000 was assigned time travel assassinations, that would be reflected in the nature of the assigned equipment. And the TX was superior in this regard. The T-1000 could only form basic non-moving-part stabbing weapons. The TX had power saws, plasma cannons and could control technology in ways that the T-1000 could only fap itself into hibernation over night after night. TX was WAY superior... Deal with it, man.

4) It was a rule ages ago that opponents know what the other is.
If that is still in place then there's your answer.

5) Correction: Wolverine was once KO'd by a bullet out of many times he was shot or shot at. The T-1000 is forced into an inert regenerative status (KO) by all the things you listed and also by having Wolverines chopping them up, forcing them into said status.
Paired with the fact that T-1000 gets hit all the time, and misses a lot, and thats a big bowl of doo-doo and spoon for T-1000.
Hope its ready to tuck in.

6) Ummmm And why did it not have time to follow the slow moving big weighed down by a weighty big cyborg and passenger? Oh thats right: It took ages to regenerate after a mere gas tank explosion...

IT DID catch up in the hospital part...! And it was on the back of the car, Arnie easily blow it off with a shotgun, forcing it to regenerate once more = You REALLY need to watch the movie, man.
Well I guess if it's logic was as sound as you say, it won, killing the T800, the Connors and Skynet ruled supreme. Oh wait. It didn't. It f**ked around too much (if it was at max capacity like you maintain it was.) Making it less of an effective killer. If it had ran, Connor would have been killed real quick in the mall....but nooooooo...
(Christ...and you accused Wolverine of being dumb....!!!!!! T1000 sounds like a real Speed demon chessmaster now, doesn't it...?!?!? 😛 )

Coming in slow is something that if it does against Wolverine, Wolverine would win by cutting what ever part of T1000 came near him.

And Wolverine can/does run....and would move off distancing himself from T-1000 whilst it is KO'd temporarily/rengenerating..
(Even though such a KO would be a win here.)

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Just playing devil's advocate here, but T-1000 looked pretty knocked out by the end of T2.

Also it was never the same again after the liquid nitrogen/combatative wear-and-tear and was destabilzed, as shown by its system failures such as cloaking and speed etc being messed with.

When did Wolverine bleed to death? I musta missed that...

No PIS or anything. Wolvie goes down.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]The novelization of the movie explained what happend to the T-1000 better when it got "damaged. By either force,temp or chemical. It getting smashed just confusied it for a few seconds till it could pull it self together. It was perfectly fine till the nitrogen bit.

No PIS or anything. Wolvie goes down. [/B]

novels aren't allowed lol

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
1) Well if you knew, you'd probably delineate which kind..it depends on the metal. Lead, Gold, Steel and Titanium all have different points, for example.

2) More falsehoods. It was a preferred form. Liquid is it's default form. And this is absurdly obvious from the fact that it arrived as a non cop, killed a cop and immitated his uniform and took his gun... jesus..you cannot be serious, can you...?!?! Honestly? Why the f**k would it arrive naked then have to immitate a uniform if cop and cop uniform was it's default?!?!?! lolololololololololol 😂

3) So what...if T1000 was assigned time travel assassinations, that would be reflected in the nature of the assigned equipment. And the TX was superior in this regard. The T-1000 could only form basic non-moving-part stabbing weapons. The TX had power saws, plasma cannons and could control technology in ways that the T-1000 could only fap itself into hibernation over night after night. TX was WAY superior... Deal with it, man.

4) It was a rule ages ago that opponents know what the other is.
If that is still in place then there's your answer.

5) Correction: Wolverine was once KO'd by a bullet out of many times he was shot or shot at. The T-1000 is forced into an inert regenerative status (KO) by all the things you listed and also by having Wolverines chopping them up, forcing them into said status.
Paired with the fact that T-1000 gets hit all the time, and misses a lot, and thats a big bowl of doo-doo and spoon for T-1000.
Hope its ready to tuck in.

6) Ummmm And why did it not have time to follow the slow moving big weighed down by a weighty big cyborg and passenger? Oh thats right: It took ages to regenerate after a mere gas tank explosion...

IT DID catch up in the hospital part...! And it was on the back of the car, Arnie easily blow it off with a shotgun, forcing it to regenerate once more = You REALLY need to watch the movie, man.
Well I guess if it's logic was as sound as you say, it won, killing the T800, the Connors and Skynet ruled supreme. Oh wait. It didn't. It f**ked around too much (if it was at max capacity like you maintain it was.) Making it less of an effective killer. If it had ran, Connor would have been killed real quick in the mall....but nooooooo...
(Christ...and you accused Wolverine of being dumb....!!!!!! T1000 sounds like a real Speed demon chessmaster now, doesn't it...?!?!? 😛 )

Coming in slow is something that if it does against Wolverine, Wolverine would win by cutting what ever part of T1000 came near him.

And Wolverine can/does run....and would move off distancing himself from T-1000 whilst it is KO'd temporarily/rengenerating..
(Even though such a KO would be a win here.)

1) Steel.

2)Preferred or default it doesn't matter. That's what the T-1000 chooses to look like so that's what it will be "wearing" when fighting Wolverine.

3) Except the T-1000 wouldn't have been stopped by the things that killed the T-X. It's also a better assassin because of it's superior shapeshifting.

4) Basic knowledge doesn't mean Wolverine will suddenly know the T-1000's weaknesses. That's why it's BASIC knowledge. Not that Wolverine would act on them in anyway.

5)Uh-huh. That only happened once in the whole movie and only for a few seconds, but nice try anyway. At least now I know you haven't seen T2 since you were 12.

6) A mere explosion that would have sent Wolverine into a coma probably. Do you remember how long he was out after Sabretooth beat his ass in X1?

Watch that part again. It fails to catch up outside when the car speeds up. And the T-1000 didn't hibernate at all. It got knocked down and got up right away and ran after them but it couldn't reach them.
T-800 ran only once, the T-X didn't run either. That's just how terminators are. And it doesn't matter because there's nothing Wolverine can do. Why? Because his claws will pass through the T-1000 without any damage. Just like that rod Arnie used did.

1) Ok but you dont know that that is the shared melting point temperature with the Mimetic Polyalloy.

2) So you saying imitating the cop and using the gun having killed the cop and taken it as per T2 equipment? Basically: are T2 equippings going on in addition to basic attributes?

3) I agree that although TX was better equipped, have way better capabilities offensively, that yes, the lack of Endoskeleton does make it better at hiding.

4) Basic knowledge like "Temperatures f**k it up" "Acids work on metal" don't exactly require a degree in engineering or knowedlge of its exact molecular structure and how to make on, etc etc.... Oh why would he not...? Sounds like an attempted gimping to me... Should Wolverine also have one hand tied behind his back too? lol

5) Well I was a fair bit older than that when it 1st came out, so thats another dimension of wrongness you exist in... 😛 (although its been a couple of years...I'll rewatch it this week for fairness' sake...nd if theres anything that contradicts my memory I'll revise and update...OK? But til then Im sticking by my guns here.)
What did? Him getting hit all the time, and missing a lot? Or the regenerating that was a lot longer than a few seconds and happened way more often than the one time you try to say it was.

6) You cant be sure. He endured a lot more since.

Great so Wolverine in Car wins? I dont have to wath it agin: It hooked itself on the car when it did catch up and was blasted off every easily by removing its arms (Something Wolverine would be very adpet at doing, due to having Admantium claws and being very good at cutting things with them, and being near immortal, pretty much guaranteeing beating T-1000's ass.
Well thats the terminator's shit out of luck then. 🙂
Well you say they pass through without damage, (guess we're disregarding everything else that "passed through without damaging" Like the many things that passed through it damaging it, forceing it to regenerate...?!?! lol And what can it do to Wloverine if hiding in liquid form like a little girl is all it can do...? 🙄 Arnie was slower than wolverine, and the T-1000 was programmed to know everything a Terminator would do, sharing the same files etc etc It was not programmed with Wolverineness. = T1000 shit out of luck. 🙂

Originally posted by Flyattractor

No PIS or anything. Wolvie goes down. [/B]

No PIS or anything, Wolverine dominates T1000 utterly, no stupid Logs, No stupid normal bullets KOing for dramatic plot device suspense etc, there wouldnt really be anything T1000 could do to kill Wolverine.

And no stupid Liquid nitrogen and no stupid melting vats...

Wolverine rubs his claws together, super heats them, and melts T-1000.

Originally posted by FrothByte
And no stupid Liquid nitrogen and no stupid melting vats...

Gimpety gimpety gimp gimp McGimp?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
1) Ok but you dont know that that is the shared melting point temperature with the Mimetic Polyalloy.

2) So you saying imitating the cop and using the gun having killed the cop and taken it as per T2 equipment? Basically: are T2 equippings going on in addition to basic attributes?

3) I agree that although TX was better equipped, have way better capabilities offensively, that yes, the lack of Endoskeleton does make it better at hiding.

4) Basic knowledge like "Temperatures f**k it up" "Acids work on metal" don't exactly require a degree in engineering or knowedlge of its exact molecular structure and how to make on, etc etc.... Oh why would he not...? Sounds like an attempted gimping to me... Should Wolverine also have one hand tied behind his back too? lol

5) Well I was a fair bit older than that when it 1st came out, so thats another dimension of wrongness you exist in... 😛 (although its been a couple of years...I'll rewatch it this week for fairness' sake...nd if theres anything that contradicts my memory I'll revise and update...OK? But til then Im sticking by my guns here.)
What did? Him getting hit all the time, and missing a lot? Or the regenerating that was a lot longer than a few seconds and happened way more often than the one time you try to say it was.

6) You cant be sure. He endured a lot more since.

Great so Wolverine in Car wins? I dont have to wath it agin: It hooked itself on the car when it did catch up and was blasted off every easily by removing its arms (Something Wolverine would be very adpet at doing, due to having Admantium claws and being very good at cutting things with them, and being near immortal, pretty much guaranteeing beating T-1000's ass.
Well thats the terminator's shit out of luck then. 🙂
Well you say they pass through without damage, (guess we're disregarding everything else that "passed through without damaging" Like the many things that passed through it damaging it, forceing it to regenerate...?!?! lol And what can it do to Wloverine if hiding in liquid form like a little girl is all it can do...? 🙄 Arnie was slower than wolverine, and the T-1000 was programmed to know everything a Terminator would do, sharing the same files etc etc It was not programmed with Wolverineness. = T1000 shit out of luck. 🙂

1) We know it has no problem with fire so it's beyond Wolverine's abilities.

2) Seems logical to me but it doesn't really matter because the T-1000 doesn't need a gun.

3) The equipment thing is irrelevant since they have plenty of high-tech weapons in the future. OTOH shapeshifting is invaluable for an assassin.

4) Temperatures **** it up is not basic knowledge though.

5)Watch the movie again and tell me where the T-1000 takes a long time to regenerate.

6) He also got koed by a lot less.

What? My point was that the T-1000 can't outrun a car or a bike.
Things passed through it when it was in it's semi-liquid form. Once Wolverine lands a few blows the T-1000 will go into and T-1000 is screwed.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Gimpety gimpety gimp gimp McGimp?

So logs and bullets are ridiculous and PIS but Wolverine using liquid nitrogen is perfectly logical?? WTF?

Originally posted by Psychotron

So logs and bullets are ridiculous and PIS but Wolverine using liquid nitrogen is perfectly logical?? WTF?

Yeah, after reading that I realized this guy was just pulling our leg. Hard to take him seriously after that.

Ah I see that levity is not welcome....sorry...such serious business all this, isn't it..

Its ok the 'Wolverine gets nothing but T1000 gets born into the situation with a cop's handgun, even though thats not one of his capabilities'...the angle put forward first by the T-1000ers that threw serious debate out a long time ago... but when I mirror this biased behavior fecetiously to draw attention to it, I'm suddenly ridiculous LOL

Yeah I think we've just about found the bias level in here now...

Ok you win..T-1000 is god and can have whatever it likes (what ever it takes to beat Wolverine with all things in it's favour) and Wolverine [i]must have no resources and options and must not think ever.[/i] Yeah thats a fair fight alright.... 🙂

Anyways:

Originally posted by Psychotron
1) We know it has no problem with fire so it's beyond Wolverine's abilities.

2) Seems logical to me but it doesn't really matter because the T-1000 doesn't need a gun.

3) The equipment thing is irrelevant since they have plenty of high-tech weapons in the future. OTOH shapeshifting is invaluable for an assassin.

4) Temperatures **** it up is not basic knowledge though.

5)Watch the movie again and tell me where the T-1000 takes a long time to regenerate.

6) He also got koed by a lot less.

What? My point was that the T-1000 can't outrun a car or a bike.
Things passed through it when it was in it's semi-liquid form. Once Wolverine lands a few blows the T-1000 will go into and T-1000 is screwed.

So logs and bullets are ridiculous and PIS but Wolverine using liquid nitrogen is perfectly logical?? WTF?

1)Can you not see how 1 and 4 contradict each other...?

2)Well can't see how hes goona beat Wolverine otherwise..

3) We arent talking about a battlefield in the future though, are we...it was sent back to the mid nineties where furture weapons would be a massive advantage.. so yeah my comment that TX was superior stands.

4) Well neither is Wolverine's capabilities.. but as I say, knowledge of each other is the rule.

5) Well no rewatch required to mention: After the petrol tank explosion, and at the foundry, taking while for severed hook anhd to melt down, reform and join with T-1000's shoe after the hosptial bit...the time Arnie shot him in the face with the shotgun and he stuck around with a split head for howwwww many seconds instead of instant reform at the lift sequence, allowing Arnie and the crew further respite?

6) t1000 is technically KO'd everytime he suspends all activity to regenerate and that happens way more often than Logan being KO'd.

Despite gaining on John's bike at the mall car park, and catching the cop car with Arnie and the Connors in it..? And jumping on that truck and pulling the driver out and throwing him?

I still can't believe Team T1000 think that Logan can't slice chunks off the Terminator like a hot knife through butter!

Psychotron believes that the T1000 will heal instantly over any damage Logan can do to it and punch on through fighting.... lolz.

Logan sliced through a foot thick metal escape hatch, the T1000 is just solidified liquid metal.

If Logan cuts off its head it won't just heal through the cuts as he makes the wounds......the head will come off. As will the arms, legs or whatever.

And once chunks are removed from the T1000 the T1000 must go into regen mode. Where Logan keeps up the damage. Ensuring a forum win.

Get over it guys.

Amen to THAT.

Originally posted by the ninjak
I still can't believe Team T1000 think that Logan can't slice chunks off the Terminator like a hot knife through butter!

Psychotron believes that the T1000 will heal instantly over any damage Logan can do to it and punch on through fighting.... lolz.

Logan sliced through a foot thick metal escape hatch, the T1000 is just solidified liquid metal.

If Logan cuts off its head it won't just heal through the cuts as he makes the wounds......the head will come off. As will the arms, legs or whatever.

And once chunks are removed from the T1000 the T1000 must go into regen mode. Where Logan keeps up the damage. Ensuring a forum win.

Get over it guys.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Amen to THAT.

lets all put this thread to pasture and move on..

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Originally posted by Sadako of Girth

1)Can you not see how 1 and 4 contradict each other...?

2)Well can't see how hes goona beat Wolverine otherwise..

3) We arent talking about a battlefield in the future though, are we...it was sent back to the mid nineties where furture weapons would be a massive advantage.. so yeah my comment that TX was superior stands.

4) Well neither is Wolverine's capabilities.. but as I say, knowledge of each other is the rule.

5) Well no rewatch required to mention: After the petrol tank explosion, and at the foundry, taking while for severed hook anhd to melt down, reform and join with T-1000's shoe after the hosptial bit...the time Arnie shot him in the face with the shotgun and he stuck around with a split head for howwwww many seconds instead of instant reform at the lift sequence, allowing Arnie and the crew further respite?

6) t1000 is technically KO'd everytime he suspends all activity to regenerate and that happens way more often than Logan being KO'd.

Despite gaining on John's bike at the mall car park, and catching the cop car with Arnie and the Connors in it..? And jumping on that truck and pulling the driver out and throwing him?

1) How do they contradict each other? The T-1000 has problems with extreme temperatures much hotter than fire.

2) KOing him like Sabretooth did would work just fine. Stabbing him in the heart will too. Suffocation is also an option.

3) No, it doesn't since they're designed to fight in the future war, not time travel. The time-travel bit was Skynet's last, desperate attempt to win the war.

4) Wolverine's capabilities consist of stabbing, that's it.

5) The foundry and the explosion are the only places where you're sort of right. But those were much more devastating than a hairy guy with a set of butter knives. Wolverine would have been koed for hours, maybe days if he switched places with the T-1000 in those two instances. The other things you mentioned are bullshit since the T-1000 was still moving while regenerating, thus it was not knocked out.

6) You're wrong since it almost never happens. Even when it was hit by Arnie's grenade it was still active.

Gaining? What movie were you watching? He stole the truck because John was getting away. He only managed to reach the cop car because they hadn't accelerated yet. When Arnold shoots him down the T-1000 couldn't catch up.

ninjak

How is Wolverine going to cut the T-1000 when it goes into it's liquid mode? Like when it passed through the iron bars or when Arnold hit him with the metal rod. Even if he can (and he can't) that still won't do any permanent damage to the T-1000. Logan would get tired sooner or later and then it's over. Wolverine can only prolong the inevitable at best.

Originally posted by the ninjak
I still can't believe Team T1000 think that Logan can't slice chunks off the Terminator like a hot knife through butter!

Psychotron believes that the T1000 will heal instantly over any damage Logan can do to it and punch on through fighting.... lolz.

Logan sliced through a foot thick metal escape hatch, the T1000 is just solidified liquid metal.

If Logan cuts off its head it won't just heal through the cuts as he makes the wounds......the head will come off. As will the arms, legs or whatever.

And once chunks are removed from the T1000 the T1000 must go into regen mode. Where Logan keeps up the damage. Ensuring a forum win.

Get over it guys.

That's because there has never been any proof that the T1000 can get sliced off like that. All of you wolverine backers are creating a perfect scenario for Wolverine to win and beleiving that your said scenario will work even if there is no proof to support it.

The single time the T1000 hasn't been able to regenerate quickly enough was due to liquid nitrogen.

Those of us who support the T1000 believe he will just heal from the wounds because that's what he's been doing in the movies.

For that matter, I can't believe you team wolverines keep believing that Wolverine can just walk through whatever damage the T1000 can dish up considering the fact that Wolverine has been shown to get hurt, get knocked down, and get knocked out by normal blows to the body, heavy blows to the head, or a single gun shot.

Quite honestly, other than the Phoenix episode, Wolverine has shown very low pain tolerance and blunt trauma tolerance and has shown far lesser healing abilities than the T1000.

Everything you keep suggesting Wolverine will do in this fight, he has never done in the movies yet, Why didn't he just hack off Sabertooth's limbs? Why didn't he use other weapons like firearms or acids or chemical weapons for his harder fights?

On the other hand, most of what we claim the T1000 will do, he has already shown to do in his movies. He consistently uses firearms. He uses vehicles as weapons to crash into his enemies. He uses machinery around him to augment his fighting style (like crashing that big metal weight onto the T800).

You claim that Wolverine can just slice off the T1000's limbs, well it's easier for the T1000 to just puncture WOlverine's heart for a knockout.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
novels aren't allowed lol