Hashirama(first hokage) vs Whitebeard

Who wins?

Hm, quakes vs Wood Dragon, clones, earth&water some genjutsu, super-healing, sleepy pollen...

Personally I'd give it to Hashirama on raw versatility.

You for some reason ignored the massive physical advantage Whitebeard has.

Plus precog but hey.

Originally posted by NemeBro
You for some reason ignored the massive physical advantage Whitebeard has.

Plus precog but hey.

The pre cog is not gonna be that helpful nor wood his physical strength.

Hashirama can only win with the pollen. Other than that whats he going to do, endlessly regenerate?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Hashirama can only win with the pollen. Other than that whats he going to do, endlessly regenerate?

I'll remind he took on Madara, who's Final Susano'o packs more power than WB's quakes. His jutsu are strong enough to dish out damage to Whitebeard.

He also has genjutsu (bringer of darkness technique).

He took him on, but theres no indication of him matching that level of destruction. Theres no indication that it was his jutsu that pressed Madara so hard rather than, say, the Kyuubi he'd just tamed?

Originally posted by Nephthys
He took him on, but theres no indication of him matching that level of destruction. Theres no indication that it was his jutsu that pressed Madara so hard rather than, say, the Kyuubi he'd just tamed?

They fought several times. Kyuubi was as far as we know, only at the last one, and his wood jutsu is more than capable of rearranging landscapes.

As is Whitebeard.

Originally posted by Nephthys
As is Whitebeard.

Yea, but point is, he can cause significant harm with wood in addition to pollen.

So he does have more than one possible win route.

Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
The pre cog is not gonna be that helpful nor wood his physical strength.

I was referring more towards his precog and hefy reaction-time advantage allowing him to get the first hit in.

In a melee fight maybe, but at a distance Hashirama's not going to have problem reacting to his attacks, and super-healing means trading hits works out better for Hashirama too.

Only Whitebeard actually has a decent level of superhuman durability.

Hashirama doesn't.

And the first Quake will at the least cripple him, and he can't use his big jutsu that can threaten Whitebeard until healed a bit, meanwhile Whitebeard is quaking away, while continuously advancing.

Originally posted by Q99
Yea, but point is, he can cause significant harm with wood in addition to pollen.

So he does have more than one possible win route.

How exactly can wood hurt him?

It's ****ing wood.

That wood sort of grapples with a huge Biju and is powered by Hashirama's own chakra.

It's like how Kimi's bones are far harder than normal bones.

When has it actually grappled with a huge bijuu? Plus I thought it was just crazy good at pacifying them magically or some shit (Yamato?), not physically binding them.

Originally posted by Nephthys
How exactly can wood hurt him?

It's ****ing wood.

Yamato's wood could hold 4-tail Kyuubi mode Naruto (not it's suppression technique, it just temporarily held him).

Hashirama's makes his look pathetic.

Hashirama can use them as what are basically gigantic spears, crushing roots, or forming a massive dragon with them.

Wood release, it should be remembered, isn't simple wood, but the mix of water and earth element chakra, with the combined strength of both.

This is something massively stronger than cannons and pistols, which harmed Whitebeard.

When has it actually grappled with a huge bijuu?

Latest chapter. Wood dragon

Plus I thought it was just crazy good at pacifying them magically or some shit (Yamato?), not physically binding them.

It can do both.

http://www.mangapanda.com/93-404-12/naruto/chapter-399.html

That and in the most recent chapter.

Damn you Q99...

Originally posted by Nephthys
When has it actually grappled with a huge bijuu? Plus I thought it was just crazy good at pacifying them magically or some shit (Yamato?), not physically binding them.

Originally posted by Q99
Yamato's wood could hold 4-tail Kyuubi mode Naruto (not it's suppression technique, it just temporarily held him).

Could he?

Originally posted by Q99
Hashirama's makes his look pathetic.

Hashirama can use them as what are basically gigantic spears, crushing roots, or forming a massive dragon with them.

Don't you mean Madara?

Originally posted by Q99
Wood release, it should be remembered, isn't simple wood, but the mix of water and earth element chakra, with the combined strength of both.

This is something massively stronger than cannons and pistols, which harmed Whitebeard.

Is it?

Originally posted by Q99
Latest chapter. Wood dragon

And a mythical beast is equivalent to Hashirama's wood release how exactly?

Originally posted by Q99
It can do both.

Can it?

Originally posted by AuraAngel
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-404-12/naruto/chapter-399.html

That and in the most recent chapter.

Damn you Q99...

Wrapping around one leg is 'grappling' now?

Originally posted by NemeBro
..... Hur?

..... Dur?