Hashirama(first hokage) vs Whitebeard

Mid- top tier and up characters in one piece that usually have DF or roukushiki techniques are double digit Mach speed, luffy being Mach 16 and higher in gear 2, I used obd calcs and soru to come to that conclusion. NARUTO IS MACH 7 AND AND YELLOW FLASH IS BARELY THAT.

Note, they are that speed for very short distances, and people without roukushiki techniques have hit people at those speeds (like Luffy and Black Cat Kuro).

Naruto characters can move at their top speeds in a much more sustained way and will have much higher average fight speeds.

Also, it's more proper to say Naruto is at *least* mach 7.... and iirc, that was a sage mode calc, not a kyuubi mode calc.

Yellow flash teleports, so... kinda irrelevant with him ^^

All in all, the visual portrayals of Naruto speed are simply more impressive.

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU

What's to stop WB from swinging his fist multiple times in the beginning seconds of the fight?

Well, nothing except whatever limits he has on rate of fire, but Hashirama would only be hit by the more distance shocks of the quake which he could easily handle, so, it's not exactly decisive either.

luffy's first gear 2 fight against blueno, he is shifting from one place to another, 4 strongest cp9 member stated in the OP wikia, blueno couldnt even keep track of him. flashes, what naruto uses, is not a sustained way of moving and it is his fastest way of moving but u said that he sustains his fastest way of moving and its impossible is sustain a teleportation... but hashirama, WHAT THE ****ING THREAD IS ABOUT, couldnt do everything whitebeard did if he was in the condition whitebeard was. also lets see him fight on somewhat equal terms with akainu at over 70... WB quakes every tree, wall, and bone in hashiramas body.

Originally posted by Luffygear4
luffy's first gear 2 fight against blueno, he is shifting from one place to another, 4 strongest cp9 member stated in the OP wikia, blueno couldnt even keep track of him. flashes, what naruto uses, is not a sustained way of moving and it is his fastest way of moving but u said that he sustains his fastest way of moving and its impossible is sustain a teleportation... but hashirama, WHAT THE ****ING THREAD IS ABOUT, couldnt do everything whitebeard did if he was in the condition whitebeard was. also lets see him fight on somewhat equal terms with akainu at over 70... WB quakes every tree, wall, and bone in hashiramas body.

Then Hashirama proceeds to heal and massacre whitebeard who has no defence to underground attacks.

no defence to underground attacks? whitebeard has tremors as a power? he would ****ing shatter anything that has to do with the ground. then super jump, in typical whitebeard fashion and proceed, like i stated earlier, to buff his bisento with not only haki, but his DF and break hashirama in half like he did akainu, except kill him this time... OP > naruto

Originally posted by Q99
Well, nothing except whatever limits he has on rate of fire, but Hashirama would only be hit by the more distance shocks of the quake which he could easily handle, so, it's not exactly decisive either.

Rate of fire? There is nothing to suggest that WB can't produce quakes over and over again. Even a severely weakened WB managed to tilt marineford and kept on going. As for Hashi only being hit by the distant shocks, WB can control the tectonic origin of his quakes as shown when he caused an earthquake far out in the ocean to produce two massive tsunamis while standing in Marineford.

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
Rate of fire? There is nothing to suggest that WB can't produce quakes over and over again.

When he does it, though, he often grabs and pulls to make a quake, or does a strike with a big wind-up, especially when he does a big quake.

I'm not saying he can't do it repeatedly. I'm saying if he, say, does a buncha small punches, it'll be little small quakes, and the big ones are bigger motions that are less rapid.

If Whitebeard could fire quakes off like Luffy does his Jet Gatling then he was stupid not to use it when Akainu was raining fiery death on his entire crew and allies when they were trapped by the wall. If he could then he should have been able to knock each of the lava fists out of the sky.

Mind you such an attack is odd for Whitebeard thematically anyway.

PIS or plot purposes i guess? Disregarding saving Ace, WB would dominate in a one on one against any top tier present in marineford imo. While we have yet to see how the Hashi/Madara fight pans out, but from what's been shown for now, WB dominates Hashi.

Also what i mean by WB producing quakes in succession is to illustrate how OP characters are not restricted by chakra limits. The visual of WB doing jet gatling quakes made me lol.

Sorry for the double post.

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
Also what i mean by WB producing quakes in succession is to illustrate how OP characters are not restricted by chakra limits. The visual of WB doing jet gatling quakes made me lol.

Sorry for the double post.

The same amount of time it takes to wave his arm is the same as doing a single hand sign. That would conjure gigantic trees beneath whitebeard. And Hashirama can tank his attacks with regen. And don't let me get started on the budha which has now durability feats.