Hashirama used almost nothing when Edo. We've seen these techniques in play, "they weren't used in one fight" isn't an argument for them being weak if that's what you're going for, just that they weren't used in that fight.
And Yamato's jonin-level with power that's nothing to Hashirama.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Haki bullets and cannons harmed Whitebeard.
Exactly. Haki bullets and cannons don't do remotely as much damage as these.
Hashirama's got power way above the minimum needed to harm Whitebeard.
Whitebeard also shrugged off a magma fist to the chest while suffering a heart attack.
Still caused damage, mind. He could keep fighting, but if he took repeated of those it wouldn't be good for him.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Making your arguments a nuisance to read doesn't make them good.
Didn't you do the same thing a year ago?
Originally posted by Q99
Hashirama used almost nothing when Edo. We've seen these techniques in play, "they weren't used in one fight" isn't an argument for them being weak if that's what you're going for, just that they weren't used in that fight.And Yamato's jonin-level with power that's nothing to Hashirama.
But isn't it true that Hashirama attacked him twice with Wood releases?
Originally posted by NemeBro
Haki bullets and cannons are capable of piercing incredible durable characters easily, though.
Much less than what the wood's done, though.
We've seen what teh magma fist does. It did comparitively little to Whitebeard.
But it still did damage is the point.
Not that it matters, Whitebeard will be pumping out Quakes at a greater rate than Hashirama will be thrusting his wood.
When he was using giant branches like spears, there were something like 20 of 'em, so rate-of-fire goes to him too.
Also Hashirama can make clones, who in turn can use wood release. So you could have 25+ attackers.
The Wood Dragon's strong enough that it'll probably take repeated hits to deal with for that matter.
Originally posted by Nephthys
But isn't it true that Hashirama attacked him twice with Wood releases?[/color]
Used it to stop an attack I believe, but never did any of the big attacks.
More than likely, Oro was just counting on him wearing down Hiruzen.
And to repeat, 'We've seen these techniques in play, "they weren't used in one fight" isn't an argument for them being weak if that's what you're going for, just that they weren't used in that fight.'
Lol?
Originally posted by Q99
Used it to stop an attack I believe, but never did any of the big attacks.
Originally posted by Q99
More than likely, Oro was just counting on him wearing down Hiruzen.
Why?
Originally posted by Q99
And to repeat, 'We've seen these techniques in play, "they weren't used in one fight" isn't an argument for them being weak if that's what you're going for, just that they weren't used in that fight.'
Except they were?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Dead images?
Except they were?
No, those attacks weren't. Smaller attacks were. Nothing about the attacks say they have to go at max.
This is dumb, Neph. "Oh, sure, character X can throw giant attacks way way bigger than the ones that hurt Whitebeard, but let's pretend the weakest attack they did is all they've got."
Originally posted by Q99
Dead images?
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****l it
Originally posted by Q99
No, those attacks weren't. Smaller attacks were. Nothing about the attacks say they have to go at max.This is dumb, Neph. "Oh, sure, character X can throw giant attacks way way bigger than the ones that hurt Whitebeard, but let's pretend the weakest attack they did is all they've got."
Hashirama was clearly trying to either kill or incapacitate Hiruzen. Why would his attacks be weaker than at any other time? We are specifically talking about the strength and damaging nature of Wood jutsu, not the size of its destructive range. Hashirama failed to kill Hiruzen, in the only fight we actually see from him.
The size of an attack does not make it more damaging. Nor does a small attack mean that its weak. Superman can walk through a nuke, but Darkseid punching in the face hurts him. Simply because hashiramas attacks were not outstanding in size does not mean that his wood was not as penetrative, fast or durable as he can make it.
Hashirama was not fighting at his fullest against hiruzen.
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/513/2
As kabuto said orochimaru had full control of them and what does orochimaru know about the first hokages fighting style or his full arsenal.
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/123/4
And as you can see they were toying with hiruzen to boot.
So don't bring up the kage fight.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Orochimaru studied Hashiramas wood powers and replicated them actually.
He only gave them the dna what does he know the only one who actually looks like he knows what the first powers were kinda like was kabuto who went beyond anything orochimaru did with hashi dna. And the wood release does not have hashi's fighting style and strategy's along with it. And it does not change the fact he was not even using hashi to kill hiruzen only to make him suffer.
Originally posted by Nephthys
[B]Oh for ****s sake.
Ok, so he did use attacks... small ones, which still were pretty effective.
The first one was used to grab and trap, not even trying to crush, and did pierce right through an earth-chakra wall easily. So they've got piercing power.
The second one may have been used more offensively, but was stopped by the very-high level adamantium cage move.
Hashirama was clearly trying to either kill or incapacitate Hiruzen. Why would his attacks be weaker than at any other time?
They were fighting in a small box and he only did as much as he was ordered, no more.
Again, we have seen the techniques uses on much larger scale. We aren't talking hypothetically bigger ones, but known shown ones.
The size of an attack does not make it more damaging. Nor does a small attack mean that its weak. Superman can walk through a nuke, but Darkseid punching in the face hurts him. Simply because hashiramas attacks were not outstanding in size does not mean that his wood was not as penetrative, fast or durable as he can make it
It does mean they didn't have as much mass or volume behind them as they can get, though, and more mass of the same material does mean more damage.
And even the smaller ones weren't bad at all. They were just, smaller.