Originally posted by AuraAngel
Well it completely dwarfs Madara's Susano'o and Kurama. And while it doesn't have any feats, a smaller(and presumably weaker) Wooden god thing caught a Bijuu-dama and Madara's sword.
Oh, I don't know about it completely dwarfing Madara's Susano'o. Just the upper portion of Madara's Susano'o was almost as big as Kurama's body minus the tails. Besides, Gyuuki's apparently been calced to have a height of 118.5 meters or so, and Kurama is roughly his size. Madara's Susano'o ? A size ranging from 1200 to 1800 meters. Not saying it was anywhere close to the size of Hashirama's Thousand Hands for Wanking tech, just that Perfect Susano'o wouldn't be dwarfed like Kurama was.
Of course, Madara's Perfect Susano'o could simply have been smaller back when he fought Hashirama, due to the fact that Edo Madara now has Hashirama's DNA. mmm
Originally posted by Luffygear4
... i dont see what else to say. hashirama can injure wb as much as it would be the other way around. healing my ass, what happens when you are shattered on the floor unconscious, if not dead.
The same can be said for someone who gets completely crushed like whitebeard.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Because every piece of evidence suggests as much. 👆Even if you disregard calculations, OP has had consistent bullet-timing from very early in the series.
Gai required Seven Gates to go supersonic, lol.
Actually he required six to do his friction feat that makes him calced at mach 7.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Because every piece of evidence suggests as much. 👆Even if you disregard calculations, OP has had consistent bullet-timing from very early in the series.
Even if you disregard calculations, Naruto has had consistent far superior travel speeds across battlefields (Naruto and Killerbee can cover in a second or two what it takes the Strawhats chapters to cover), and 3-gate Lee making visible air shockwaves (which require multi mach speeds to form).
The bullet thing shows perhaps good short-range burst speed, but Naruto has consistently shown higher speed at it's high levels.
We've also seen bullets/cannons can be really slow- base level marines have observed cannon balls coming at them and reacted (Capone Bege), and the ability to dodge them doesn't mean that one can dodge things like Usopp's slingshots, which should be massively slower compared to real life bullets but in the series seem about as fast.
One addition major thing is that One Piece has far fewer 'bands' of speed. It has it's human level people, it's superhuman, and it's speed technique ones.. and that's it, and each level isn't helpless speed-wise against the next level up (skilled characters without shave-like speed techniques can fight ones with. Pre-skip Nami and Usopp can fight against non-speed technique superhumanly fast people). Black Cat Kuro was said to be the same general speed as the CP9 characters. Far less good with it, and there can be some differences in the categories, but that's it.
On the other hand in Naruto, Normal humans can be blitzed by base genin can be blitzed by high genin/chunins can be blitzed by jonin can be blitzed by the speed freak characters like A and Naruto. There's more levels of speed.
Everything except bullets indicate the Naruto characters are faster, and the bullets get portrayed to be slow even to non super-fast characters. The visual evidence weighs pretty heavily towards the Naruto side here.
I've never been good at keeping track with speed feats in One Piece but aren't like all of the mid/high tier fighters hypersonic or some crap like that? And though Whitebeard hasn't shown any impressive combat speed he has tagged speedy folks like Aokiji and Kizaru.
Though I'm not sure how quake punches will hold up against the magic wood.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I've never been good at keeping track with speed feats in One Piece but aren't like all of the mid/high tier fighters hypersonic or some crap like that? And though Whitebeard hasn't shown any impressive combat speed he has tagged speedy folks like Aokiji and Kizaru.
Notably, charging across an island takes a fair amount of time even for Whitebeard Commanders, Luffy, and similar.
They may be able to do nice speeds in short-ranged bursts (I'm not sure the precise numbers the calcs give, btw. Definite mach), but their sustained speed- and by that I mean still within fight range, not just long distances- are much lower. Their speed-bursts are short range and not reflective of constant battle body speed.
Naruto has Kisame- not one of the top-speed characters- running away from an island and then being caught by Gai being thrown like a projectile in front of him, catching him some distance off the island.
Luffy going across an island, dealing with Bellamy, then come back was treated as a time concern when they had multiple hours to work with and he ran the way.
One Piece has probably 4-5 instances of trying to cross part of an island or such being a significant time worry that takes awhile even with no opposition or light opposition.
OP speed ain't consistent, it is greater but in marine ford, luffy was running from Mihawk in gear 2 to going about 6 mph (guess) while naruto can leap far for a long time in woods and stuff. Luffy can dodge a point blank range bullet but he can't run beside one and constantly stay ahead. But I meant can't earlier, hashirama CAN'T hurt WB like WB can hurt him. And healing won't work So well while unconscious, proof to make me see otherwise. Destructive capability and durability goes to WB so I give it to him. Let hashirama tank 2 red dogs while over 70 and sickly then say he can tank one hit from WB.
Mid- top tier and up characters in one piece that usually have DF or roukushiki techniques are double digit Mach speed, luffy being Mach 16 and higher in gear 2, I used obd calcs and soru to come to that conclusion. NARUTO IS MACH 7 AND AND YELLOW FLASH IS BARELY THAT. OP characters have more durability, top tier characters, speed, and variety with roukushiki, DF, and haki variations. But whitebeard has the power to destroy the planet stated by sengoku. He would win
Aside from speed, the main difference is that OP chars are not limited by chakra. Whitebeard can destroy roshomon(sp?) gates without breaking a sweat faster than Hashirama can summon them.
Aokoji and Akainu went at it for 10 days. Same with Jinbe and Ace. They fought for days.
What's to stop WB from swinging his fist multiple times in the beginning seconds of the fight?
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
Aside from speed, the main difference is that OP chars are not limited by chakra. Whitebeard can destroy roshomon(sp?) gates without breaking a sweat faster than Hashirama can summon them.Aokoji and Akainu went at it for 10 days. Same with Jinbe and Ace. They fought for days.
What's to stop WB from swinging his fist multiple times in the beginning seconds of the fight?
The same amount of time it takes to swing his arm can be neough for hashirama to do a seal making trees come from under him which he has no defense against,