Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Question - does Warlock still breathe? Or is it like you said, purely conceptual?
Classic Warlock is "beyond Order and Chaos," in a not-clearly-defined abstract sense, which is a fancy way of giving him PIS powers. The rules of causal reality don't apply to him in traditional ways. Applications of this concept include no-selling a "reality storm" that KO'd the rest of the Infinity Watch and hiding his presence from abstract-level beings.
Originally posted by Digi
Abhi, don't drain the fun from this. Comments like "of course you haven't" are completely unnecessary. Inform us, don't be a condescending ass.On your points, your rebuttal doesn't sway my opinion of Warlock's invisibility. It has nothing to do with vision powers. I'm also dubious that we'd ALL be in T-Vo (especially people like Doom who have a dozen different magical blocks and barriers in place against that sort of thing), especially before the battle started. Doing it in a vacuum is one thing. Doing in on a football field with 6 mid-to-high heralds unleashing their best attacks all at once is quite another.
Originally posted by Digi
Classic Warlock is "beyond Order and Chaos," in a not-clearly-defined abstract sense, which is a fancy way of giving him PIS powers. The rules of causal reality don't apply to him in traditional ways. Applications of this concept include no-selling a "reality storm" that KO'd the rest of the Infinity Watch and hiding his presence from abstract-level beings.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yep. I edited it and the prep time is too short for you to sleep and create daxamite constructs in your dream.😛
Like I said, I'm not doing that. 🙂
No feat exchange.
Doesn't apply to me. We have the exact same weapon, my experience with GL powers would be the exact same as Hal's - who is a veteran - except that Blair Wind is in control. This means my own knowledge comes into effect; if I know a GL has done something in the past, I can certainly do the same thing.
Originally posted by Newjak
So right now we haveGl: I'm gonna Daxamite my way through
hmmm
I'm confused as to why people think I'm creating a Daxamite - I certainly never said that.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That doesn't mean anything in this case, thanos is invisible to the abstracts in the same way because he's "beyond order and chaos". Here is superman creating anti matter
If he using his HV against a vacuum/black hole though? That would require a variable you don't have.
Originally posted by Blair WindOk.
Like I said, I'm not doing that. 🙂
Doesn't apply to me.It does.
We have the exact same weapon, my experience with GL powers would be the exact same as Hal's - who is a veteran - except that Blair Wind is in control.Supergirl once stopped an earthquake by whistling, superman hasn't done anything like that despite better powers and better experience.
This means my own knowledge comes into effect; if I know a GL has done something in the past, I can certainly do the same thing.No. Feats between characters even with the same powersets aren't exchangable.
I'm confused as to why people think I'm creating a Daxamite - I certainly never said that.Blame digi.
If he using his HV against a vacuum/black hole though? That would require a variable you don't have.He is using it on a force-field
Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok.It does. Supergirl once stopped an earthquake by whistling, superman hasn't done anything like that despite better powers and better experience. No. Feats between characters even with the same powersets aren't exchangable.
Blame digi.
My thread, and as long as I'm not abusing it, my rules. This applies to everyone on the battlefield - otherwise the person inhabiting the characters doesn't matter at all. I want our KMC persona's to matter in the fight. You can apply feats that should be applicable to you from other individuals - unless they themselves are different, amped, or have some additional perk you do not.
Impressive. But yeah, it seems situational.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That doesn't mean anything in this case, thanos is invisible to the abstracts in the same way because he's "beyond order and chaos".
Iirc, this is only ever applied to Warlock. Thanos has no such distinction. As such, I'm not sure what you're referring to.
I also fail to see how it invalidates my tactic. This argument doesn't suddenly make enhanced senses able to see someone who can hide from an abstract reality warper.
To be clear, I don't win this fight. I just don't see it. My point about invisibility stands, though.
I can't believe the nanosecond T-Vo. It strains credulity. You have a decent chance to win this fight (my vote's still with Thor), but that's not the way I see you doing it.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
My thread, and as long as I'm not abusing it, my rules. This applies to everyone on the battlefield - otherwise the person inhabiting the characters doesn't matter at all. I want our KMC persona's to matter in the fight. You can apply feats that should be applicable to you from other individuals - unless they themselves are different, amped, or have some additional perk you do not.
Originally posted by Digi
Impressive. But yeah, it seems situational.Iirc, this is only ever applied to Warlock. Thanos has no such distinction. As such, I'm not sure what you're referring to.
I also fail to see how it invalidates my tactic. This argument doesn't suddenly make enhanced senses able to see someone who can hide from an abstract reality warper.
To be clear, I don't win this fight. I just don't see it. My point about invisibility stands, though.
I can't believe the nanosecond T-Vo. It strains credulity. You have a decent chance to win this fight (my vote's still with Thor), but that's not the way I see you doing it.
No, in the first cosmic wars Chaos and Order sent Spider-man to revive warlock because Thanos was invisible to them due to being "Out of laws of chaos and order". Kronos created drax to kill thanos because he is invisible to him and other abstracts.
It invalidates them because abstracts being unable to sense warlock has nothing to do with superman detecting him via an EM scan. Apples and oranges unless you think that superman can't detect thanos too.
Its totally usable, whether it strains credulity or not.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Sorry boss, you can make the rules but can't suspend the existing forum rules. Gaining experience is one thing, gaining feats from other characters is another. If a mod says so, I would accept it. Untill then no.
No, its not.No, in the first cosmic wars Chaos and Order sent Spider-man to revive warlock because Thanos was invisible to them due to being "Out of laws of chaos and order". Kronos created drax to kill thanos because he is invisible to him and other abstracts.
It invalidates them because abstracts being unable to sense warlock has nothing to do with superman detecting him via an EM scan. Apples and oranges unless you think that superman can't detect thanos too.
Its totally usable, whether it strains credulity or not.
What's stopping Blair Lantern from doing it, then?
Originally posted by Digi
I never even used the word Daxamite until now. Ya'll need a better knowledge of GL's.
I have a decent GL knowledge myself. I've read every GL story post crisis though.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You said that Blair would have kryptonian level stats via prep. That only means turning himself in a daxamite.I have a decent GL knowledge myself. I've read every GL story post crisis though.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
...my first instinct would probably be to scan the GL database for Kryptonian DNA sequences and then tell the ring to transform me. So I wouldn't be human level Hal - I'd transform myself into a Kryptonian. I'd then tell the ring to auto fire on anything that comes within my general area (John has done this before).
That. GL rings can rearrange DNA. And like I said, I never used the word Daxamite.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, in the first cosmic wars Chaos and Order sent Spider-man to revive warlock because Thanos was invisible to them due to being "Out of laws of chaos and order". Kronos created drax to kill thanos because he is invisible to him and other abstracts.
Ah, the Kronos thing. I figured it had something to do with that.
Anyway, Warlock was simply chilling in space, undetected, right in front of the IG wielder (I think Thanos at the time). Thanos has eyes, and presumably enhanced senses (talk to quan). And Thanos wasn't the only one there. Warlock wasn't just shielded from abstracts, he was shielded from regular characters. If I decide to be invisible, I am. It's the sort of a priori argument that I generally dislike, but I see no reason to disbelieve it.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Its totally usable, whether it strains credulity or not.
Usable, yes. Likely, no. Thor in the middle of a Godblast as the battle begins..."let me just stop mid-blast. What was it you wanted to do Superman?" Blair with the same reaction times, GL with auto-blasts, Thor and Warlock being able to hang physically with anyone here. Also, I still highly doubt you'd get into Doom's mind, and I'm dubious about some of the others. There's also no guarantee you'd win at T-Vo. Your mind, after all, so at that point, it's not Kal vs. Doom/Warlock/Thor, etc. it's literally you vs. us.
As always, your Superman seems to be one that can speed-vaporize dozens of high heralds in nanoseconds. It is a Superman that is leagues above what most consider him to (i.e. rough equals with Thor, Surfer, a good GL, etc.), and as such, your interpretations of any fight aren't going to be compatible with most others.
Yeah, under the OP stips, I don't see an issue with what Blair's doing. A GL has done it, the ring is capable of it, Blair is aware of it, and Blair is in charge of the ring. Add Hal's general experience and it's more the plausible. So what's the issue?
These threads aren't about winning necessarily. I'm just giving my honest take. Blue's the longest odds, and the only one I don't see winning in any circumstance. I'm second-longest. I'd give myself a small chance - Warlock isn't a pushover in a slugfest, and is considerably more skilled than most here - but not much of one. Where you place the others is a matter of taste. I think there's too much force for Doom to account for, who is the weakest if he doesn't prep and fight completely perfectly. Thor has the single most powerful attack that could potentially KO the field, and GL/Superman are both versatile and powerful enough to win depending on how the fight plays out.
Originally posted by DigiNo, they can't. Not consciously in the case of kyle/blair.
That. GL rings can rearrange DNA. And like I said, I never used the word Daxamite.
Ah, the Kronos thing. I figured it had something to do with that.Also Chaos and Order.
Anyway, Warlock was simply chilling in space, undetected, right in front of the IG wielder (I think Thanos at the time).Nebula and it was only due to her in-experience that he snuck on her.
Thanos has eyes, and presumably enhanced senses (talk to quan). And Thanos wasn't the only one there.Thanos said warlock's plan wouldn't have worked on him.
Warlock wasn't just shielded from abstracts, he was shielded from regular characters.Surfer was seeing him just fine. He's invisible to abstracts.
If I decide to be invisible, I am. It's the sort of a priori argument that I generally dislike, but I see no reason to disbelieve it.Except no, you can't.
Usable, yes. Likely, no.Nope.
Thor in the middle of a Godblast as the battle begins..."let me just stop mid-blast.Thor is too slow.
What was it you wanted to do Superman?" Blair with the same reaction times,LOL, superman blitzes kryptonians holding back.
GL with auto-blasts,Wouldn't do anything, superman can create illusions and absorb attacks via T-vo.
Thor and Warlock being able to hang physically with anyone here.Its not a physical fight.
Also, I still highly doubt you'd get into Doom's mind, and I'm dubious about some of the others.Its not telepathy, it can pull a robot inside the theta field.
There's also no guarantee you'd win at T-Vo.LOL.
Your mind, after all, so at that point, it's not Kal vs. Doom/Warlock/Thor, etc. it's literally you vs. us.I don't have to mindrape anyone here, I can create anything and trap you there in theta state and that's it. Superman created a phantom zone and trapped dominus there, that's all it took to beat him.
As always, your Superman seems to be one that can speed-vaporize dozens of high heralds in nanoseconds. It is a Superman that is leagues above what most consider him to (i.e. rough equals with Thor, Surfer, a good GL, etc.), and as such, your interpretations of any fight aren't going to be compatible with most others.What others percieve as superman's level doesn't matter, he has the feats and I can use it. I'm not using Big Bang level HV here, its his simple feats here.
Originally posted by Badabing
Addenda to the rules:You can apply feats that should be applicable to you from other individuals - unless they themselves are different, amped, or have some additional perk you do not. Therefore, feat exchange (using common sense as to what is applicable) is on
