Originally posted by Digi
It's not even that. Bill is fully aware of the hammer's energy absorption and has used it to great affect. I wouldn't dare claim he could duplicate some of Thor's more esoteric hammer applications, but this isn't really a stretch. It's like #2 of what the hammers do on a regular basis after "smackin' stuff." I think Hal would have a harder-than-average time hurting Bill because of this, even if Bill only uses the absorption defensively; thus the advantage.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not quite. Knowing something and using it effectively in character are two different things. Bill isn't going to absorb all of hal's attacks, that's simply not his style. That's why hal isn't simply restricted to energy blasts, his constructs are going to hurt bill.
Again, he knows how to do it, has done it in the past, and we generally assume intelligent use of powers on the forums. I see no reason why a lot of Hal's blasts and/or constructs aren't getting absorbed and redirected. I don't doubt Hal can hurt Bill, and would since this is a good fight. But I see that being the deciding factor.
Green Lantern attacks don't necessarily have to shoot in a straight line, once Hal realizes that his attacks seem to get vacuumed into some crazy golden hammer, he might try to attack Bill multidirectionally (ala Surfer sneaky board to the head). Not saying Hal wins (as he would need to figure this out BEFORE Bill figures out "Ooooh, ENERGY! Absorb with hammer, ridirect, throw hammer at guy's face=Hal taking a horse mallet to the face.), but that would be a possibility.
Originally posted by Digi
Again, he knows how to do it, has done it in the past, and we generally assume intelligent use of powers on the forums. I see no reason why a lot of Hal's blasts and/or constructs aren't getting absorbed and redirected. I don't doubt Hal can hurt Bill, and would since this is a good fight. But I see that being the deciding factor.
Originally posted by abhilegend
We also take character traits into account aka CIS. That's not just how bill fights unless you can point me to a fight where bill aggressively goes and absorb every attack instead of just absorbing simple energy blast fired at him. The possibility of bill absorbing constructs is slim to none going by how johns has re-defined Oan energies.
I don't think Bill's ever been attacked by anything energy-based other than energy blasts, tho. ;P
Unless you count Black Holes as absorbable or something.
He DID opt to not try and absorb Stardust, however. And Stardust IS an energy based life form....
Originally posted by Nibedicus
I don't think Bill's ever been attacked by anything energy-based other than energy blasts, tho. ;PUnless you count Black Holes as absorbable or something.
He DID opt to not try and absorb Stardust, however. And Stardust IS an energy based life form....
Yeah, mjolnir/stormbreaker=insta win against pure energy based characters./sarcasm
Originally posted by abhilegend
Quasar's constructs IIRC and Lord Mar-vell's attacks.Yeah, mjolnir/stormbreaker=insta win against pure energy based characters./sarcasm
Yeah, I'm a bit skeptical myself about Thor's/BRB's auto-absorb abilities vs energy based characters. Defensively, yes, they do it all the time. But I've only ever seen Thor do it as a means of breaking defenses. And between Thor and BRB, Thor tends to be more subtle/exotic with the hammer. BRB just uses it more of a shield/thing to hit ppl with.
Has BRB ever done the defensive absorb + amplified redirection move that Thor does? I mean he coulda done it like 2-3 times vs the Surfer but he just opted to hit him with amped hammer strikes instead.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Yeah, I'm a bit skeptical myself about Thor's/BRB's auto-absorb abilities vs energy based characters. Defensively, yes, they do it all the time. But I've only ever seen Thor do it as a means of breaking defenses. And between Thor and BRB, Thor tends to be more subtle/exotic with the hammer. BRB just uses it more of a shield/thing to hit ppl with.Has BRB ever done the defensive absorb + amplified redirection move that Thor does? I mean he coulda done it like 2-3 times vs the Surfer but he just opted to hit him with amped hammer strikes instead.
Not that I recall.
Those magical mallets are excellent energy regulators. They have a well documented track record with energy discharge. Stormbreaker could neutralize Hal's Krona killing shot.
Yet that is not the only factor, and we do not have a solid point of reference for either.
The closest thing to Bill in the DCU is Orion. Where Quasar is marvels xerox copy of a lantern. A pair that hardly fight each other, making it difficult to extrapolate upon.
Originally posted by abhilegend
We also take character traits into account aka CIS. That's not just how bill fights unless you can point me to a fight where bill aggressively goes and absorb every attack instead of just absorbing simple energy blast fired at him. The possibility of bill absorbing constructs is slim to none going by how johns has re-defined Oan energies.
The underlying idea here is that it's a close fight anyway. I'm not saying this makes it a roflstomp, but Bill could simply brawl and have an ok chance at winning. In such a contest, even small advantages can be deciding factors. Can you name anything Hal could do to specifically exploit Bill? Even if it is just blasts and not constructs, that's something. Though I still think it could in fact be constructs as well, though I of course can't point to a specific incident because Bill hasn't fought anyone who produces GL-style constructs. The hammer's capacity to absorb different types of energy has few limits though, so I think it's certainly possible (though you're correct that it may not always be in character for BRB).