Originally posted by DigiAnd why would that be, exactly? You think Bill's grip on his hammer overcomes whatever Hal could bring to the table including, I don't know, an army of constructs attacking him from all sides, hitting him in the neck/face/balls etc. while Hal pressures the grip on the hammer?
I'm not even sure Hal could separate BRB from the hammer at ALL if Bill uses it intelligently.
Originally posted by Blair WindI agree. But Hal could send the hammer away to wherever he wants (say, another dimension) and then just imobilize Beta Ray Bill completly in construct. Basically, kind of like Firestorm did here, with Orion:
IMO, it's not really grip strength that is keeping it there. He can mentally summon it, so it's not like taking a gun out of someone's hand - in this case, Bill can still use the "gun" even if Hal does part him from it.
Could Bill eventually get free? Sure. Will the hammer eventually get back? Sure, let's say yes. Will all of that take time? Undoubtedly. This turns into 'Hal, while fighting smart, has enough time to to whatever he wants to Bill's unprotected head'. And that won't be a very good time for Bill.
Will Hal do this everytime? Of course not. But when he will, this will be a tactic to bring him the win.
Originally posted by psycho gundamLow showing for Orion [eventough he eventually shattered it and broke free], definitely, but the point still stands.
hulk would bust out of there and eat that titanium block
If I remember right, that issue was written by McDuffie, who flat-out said in an interview that the editors told him to bring him someone to show off Firestorm, and he said "why not Orion?". Basically, Orion was there soley to job.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaWhile I am hard-pressed to bring up an example of Stormbreaker doing so, Mjolnir has come back from dimensional BFRing. And even assuming the inevitable "feats shouldn't be shared" argument (although GL rings get a pass on that for some retarded reason), I honestly can't remember the last time Hal dimensionally BFRed anything, let alone a high-level weapon like Stormbreaker.
I agree. But Hal could send the hammer away to wherever he wants (say, another dimension) and then just imobilize Beta Ray Bill completly in construct.
I'd be interested in seeing scans or examples. If you have any, that is.
Originally posted by ODG
While I am hard-pressed to bring up an example of Stormbreaker doing so, Mjolnir has come back from dimensional BFRing. And even assuming the inevitable "feats shouldn't be shared" argument (although GL rings get a pass on that for some retarded reason), I honestly can't remember the last time Hal dimensionally BFRed anything, let alone a high-level weapon like Stormbreaker.I'd be interested in seeing scans or examples. If you have any, that is.
^ All of this. While feat transfer isn't 1-to-1 with Thor, it's reasonable to assume his ability to summon it back to him follows the same rules (since Odin enchanted both to be identical). Dimensional BFR shouldn't work.
Beyond that, Bill would be flying, attacking, absorbing and redirecting. I still think Phil's model of the fight exists in a bubble...one that lowballs Bill quite a bit.
Originally posted by Philosophía
And why would that be, exactly? You think Bill's grip on his hammer overcomes whatever Hal could bring to the table including, I don't know, an army of constructs attacking him from all sides, hitting him in the neck/face/balls etc. while Hal pressures the grip on the hammer?
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Also Hal can knock Bill, causing him to drop the hammer. This has happen multiple times (with him and Thor). Also I see Bill having a hard time defending against general giant constructs. I see Hal swatting him like a ping pong fly.
And what about Hal slowing time down where Bill is almost a statue? No one has thought of that.
Originally posted by ODG
While I am hard-pressed to bring up an example of Stormbreaker doing so, Mjolnir has come back from dimensional BFRing. And even assuming the inevitable "feats shouldn't be shared" argument (although GL rings get a pass on that for some retarded reason), I honestly can't remember the last time Hal dimensionally BFRed anything, let alone a high-level weapon like Stormbreaker.I'd be interested in seeing scans or examples. If you have any, that is.
GL's don't get a blanket pass. They get a kind of pass that isn't universal, and isn't nearly the same thing.