Originally posted by Philosophía
If we're going for smart, what's stopping Hal from separating Bill from his hammer, and then trapping his entire neck-down body in a construct [and his higher-end focused constructs hold off against planetary-level pressure]? In the time it will take Bill to escape, Hal could just blast his defenseless head into unsconsciousness. Or get creative.
Right. People far underestimate the most powerful weapon in the universe.
I'm not underestimating anything. I think Hal has more total power and versatility. I just think it's a bad matchup for him.
Originally posted by Philosophía
If we're going for smart, what's stopping Hal from separating Bill from his hammer, and then trapping his entire neck-down body in a construct [and his higher-end focused constructs hold off against planetary-level pressure]? In the time it will take Bill to escape, Hal could just blast his defenseless head into unsconsciousness. Or get creative.
Hal's not without ways to win this. He wouldn't keep Bill separate from his hammer though, and Bill wouldn't simply sit there and take punishment.
srug
Originally posted by carver9
@Digi..Why do you think Hal is more powerful? I'm not seeing it.
Classic Hal had all sorts of versatility feats. He rivaled old-school Thor/Mjolnir in terms of esoteric uses of his weapon. And power feats to go with the best HH's. Bill is close, but hasn't displayed the range with his hammer that Thor has. So he's basically limited to brawling and energy absorption/redirection. Hal's best feats trump Bill's, check out the respect forum if you're more interested in seeing it, but I see the absorption part as being tough for Hal to handle.
Originally posted by DigiI never said Bill would sit there and take the punishment, or that he'd be separated from his hammer indefinitely. But escaping [skin tight] constructs that have withstood planetary forces takes time on occasions, and Bill also doesn't have any leverage. Time in which Hal might aswel masturbate on his face, right before splitting his head in 2.
Hal's not without ways to win this. He wouldn't keep Bill separate from his hammer though, and Bill wouldn't simply sit there and take punishment.srug
Bill can be be more easily separated from his hammer than Hal can be from his ring. At that point, [smart, since that's what we're talking about] Hal's options are nigh-infinite, with complete imobilization and then savage beating being the easier ones.
Originally posted by Philosophía
I never said Bill would sit there and take the punishment, or that he'd be separated from his hammer indefinitely. But escaping [skin tight] constructs that have withstood planetary forces takes time on occasions, and Bill also doesn't have any leverage. Time in which Hal might aswel masturbate on his face, right before splitting his head in 2.Bill can be be more easily separated from his hammer than Hal can be from his ring. At that point, [smart, since that's what we're talking about] Hal's options are nigh-infinite, with complete imobilization and then savage beating being the easier ones.
Originally posted by Digi
Classic Hal had all sorts of versatility feats. He rivaled old-school Thor/Mjolnir in terms of esoteric uses of his weapon. And power feats to go with the best HH's. Bill is close, but hasn't displayed the range with his hammer that Thor has. So he's basically limited to brawling and energy absorption/redirection. Hal's best feats trump Bill's, check out the respect forum if you're more interested in seeing it, but I see the absorption part as being tough for Hal to handle.
Bill does use range attacks though. Look at his fight against ego or Amped Wrecking crew or Galactus. He's used it enough for it to be a deciding factor in this match.
@Pr..
The GLs are boring but I know enough about them to know Bill would wreck them in a fight.
Originally posted by Golgo13
The GL's are simply more versatile. Check out the Battle Zone with Desaad and the other poster, Green Lantern vs Silver Surfer, who is more versatile.
This isn't a CISless battle. Look at the way Hal fight and then look at the way Bill fights. Pretty obvious who'll get the majority.
Originally posted by carver9
This isn't a CISless battle. Look at the way Hal fight and then look at the way Bill fights. Pretty obvious who'll get the majority.
Hal often fights very smart and very creative. He never stops surprising you.
Saying Bill will wreck Hal shows ignorance of Hal completely when characters fight at their best as shown before. You think Hal would just sit there and shoot blasts at Bill and do nothing creative? Hal has trapped people and things in constructs, slowed time, created all types of shit that ucked people up, etc. Plus Hal got some strong ass shields of planetary strength.
How do you think the fight would go? Give us a typical scenario.
Originally posted by carver9
Bill does use range attacks though. Look at his fight against ego or Amped Wrecking crew or Galactus. He's used it enough for it to be a deciding factor in this match.@Pr..
The GLs are boring but I know enough about them to know Bill would wreck them in a fight.
Stop lying.
Originally posted by carver9
The GLs are boring but I know enough about them to know Bill would wreck them in a fight.
Originally posted by PhilosophÃ_a
I never said Bill would sit there and take the punishment, or that he'd be separated from his hammer indefinitely. But escaping [skin tight] constructs that have withstood planetary forces takes time on occasions, and Bill also doesn't have any leverage. Time in which Hal might aswel masturbate on his face, right before splitting his head in 2.Bill can be be more easily separated from his hammer than Hal can be from his ring. At that point, [smart, since that's what we're talking about] Hal's options are nigh-infinite, with complete imobilization and then savage beating being the easier ones.
I'm not even sure Hal could separate BRB from the hammer at ALL if Bill uses it intelligently. And any time it would leave Bill's grasp, it would be in a >lightspeed attack. I'm just not seeing anything you're describing as being likely.
