The Ray Vs Nova

Originally posted by dmills
Granted.

I'd like you to consider my argument for a moment. Nova has the ability to generate Nodes that are made of the same gravimetric energy that his shields are made from. He's used those nodes to trap beings of energy before. Psionic energy to be exact. Harrow was powerful in his own right. Able to cloak himself psionically to escape detection from galactus, fighting evenly with Nova etc.

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Here Nova is shielding himself and others from Quasar's energy form letting off massive omnidirectional blast.

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Weaponized energy form of Black Bolt's voice...

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Arguing that Rider would somehow physically defeat a being a pure energy is an exercise in futility. This is why I argue that he could contain the ray in a hyper gravimetric node and thus incapacitate him. Still counts as a forum win.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Trapping a psionic entity doesn't proves he can trap Ray though.

Well, the equation is simple. If Ray can get out of Nova's gravimetric constructs then it won't work. If he can't, then it will work. As a starting point I've shown them holding an seemingly ntangible psionic being, withstanding Quasar letting off and omnidirectional blast, Blackbolt's weaponized vocal emissions etc.

Unless he can ko ray then it wouldnt constitute as a win here. Remember ray has faxwd beings in novas weight class. Green lantern, lobo, ca, etc...

Well I dunno then. I could argue the absorption thing but that'll be stretching past the point of reasonable conjecture. I fold my hand here for now. Chow gents.

Originally posted by dmills
Well, the equation is simple. If Ray can get out of Nova's gravimetric constructs then it won't work. If he can't, then it will work. As a starting point I've shown them holding an seemingly ntangible psionic being, withstanding Quasar letting off and omnidirectional blast, Blackbolt's weaponized vocal emissions etc.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That wasn't my point. He was also incapacitated by a ship's engine drive firing off.😖hifty:

Lol. Touche brother.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That wasn't my point. He was also incapacitated by a ship's engine drive firing off.😖hifty:

Mr. Cherry picker 😠 . That is a low (not gas station low 😛 ) for him, but it doesn't discount his many other ridiculously high durability feats.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Mr. Cherry picker 😠 . That is a low (not gas station low 😛 ) for him, but it doesn't discount his many other ridiculously high durability feats.

Originally posted by abhilegend
First Mr. stick in the butt, I wasn't serious there hence the smilie. Second you don't have to defend nova by using a showing which from context isn't a low showing.

U thought I was? Sigh.. Anyway Nova wins.

Oh you two lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Trapping a psionic entity doesn't proves he can trap Ray though.

And while the feat is impressive, the trick didn't work a second time. Meaning, it's already proven as reversible.

In his heyday, Ray was called either "most powerful" or "potentially most powerful" all the time, even on teams that once included Superman and Martian Manhunter.. Triumph, who can control the EM spectrum, got trounced by him a few times, and was awed by his power level and potential..

But Ray does have a glaring weakness.. Cut him off from a light source, and he's basically like the Nuclear man in Superman 4. His supply will dwindle fast. I don't think Richard can exploit this though..

Nova. Tactically more sound. Good fight though.

Id think ray has grown over the years just like nova. He even has sime good feats in FF.

He's formidable and powerful, but Nova's been more tested in trial by fire like situations and has shown a greater grasp on battle tactics and strategy, imo.

the og ray has shown to be pretty tactictical as well and his sin isnt far off.hell dcnu ray has shown to use his powers in new and innovative ways.

Ray (stan) is more ruthless than either of them.

Originally posted by cdtm
And while the feat is impressive, the trick didn't work a second time. Meaning, it's already proven as reversible.

In his heyday, Ray was called either "most powerful" or "potentially most powerful" all the time, even on teams that once included Superman and Martian Manhunter.. Triumph, who can control the EM spectrum, got trounced by him a few times, and was awed by his power level and potential..

But Ray does have a glaring weakness.. Cut him off from a light source, and he's basically like the Nuclear man in Superman 4. His supply will dwindle fast. I don't think Richard can exploit this though..

Actually it was never elaborated upon how he escaped. He was just inexplicably gone and, "figured out how to escape" or some such. Rider was attempting to make another more powerful node, but iirc that's when the thrust of the ship ko'd him.

Nodes specifically cut off nexus points in the transmission of energy in the electromagnetic spectrum. Sound as well. The Nova comics take the concept a step further by having him being able to trap psionic energy and even cut off magic based transmissions. But it's a moot issue since golgo won't allow incapacitation in this thread anyway.

Originally posted by dmills
Actually it was never elaborated upon how he escaped. He was just inexplicably gone and, "figured out how to escape" or some such. Rider was attempting to make another more powerful node, but iirc that's when the thrust of the ship ko'd him.

Nodes specifically cut off nexus points in the transmission of energy in the electromagnetic spectrum. Sound as well. The Nova comics take the concept a step further by having him being able to trap psionic energy and even cut off magic based transmissions. But it's a moot issue since golgo won't allow incapacitation in this thread anyway.

Well what I meant is if he can ko him through cutting off his energy source than it will count aa a win. Simply trapping someine wont do it here.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Well what I meant is if he can ko him through cutting off his energy source than it will count aa a win. Simply trapping someine wont do it here.

I don't know about KOing him unless he can't remain conscious without exposure to photons or whatever. In any case I also think that a good sized gravimetric pulse could dispurse him long enough to count as a ko. The Ray is an interesting puzzle to solve and now my interest is genuinely piqued. Let me dig through my Nova scans for a minute.

How is nova experience with fightung beibgs who can go ftl speeds drom the get go?

Originally posted by dmills
I don't know about KOing him unless he can't remain conscious without exposure to photons or whatever. In any case I also think that a good sized gravimetric pulse could dispurse him long enough to count as a ko. The Ray is an interesting puzzle to solve and now my interest is genuinely piqued. Let me dig through my Nova scans for a minute.

Basically, without constant stream of energy he can't even maintain his energy form.

So he'd suffocate in space, or simply be vulnerable to a KO, or any number of things..

Prove Nova can cut off his outside energy sources (Usually direct sun and starlight), and you'd have him. (This also assuming the way Ray's powers works counts as "general information".. I'm not really sure how many people really knew about his weaknesses, outside of his father and a few others...)