Originally posted by Nephthys
That's all from the Wii.
Actually, the last one is from the Xbox 360/PS3 version of events.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I resubmit my issue over the canonicity of those events.
As I told you, Wii version of the game was released on the same day with the others. Your issue with it has no basis.
Why does that matter? I wasn't dismissing it outright or saying that its clearly non-canon, but I am questioning the canonicity.
Although TFU was originally conceived and developed as an X-box and PS3 game, so now that you mention it I do think that those platforms should take precedence. We've never talked about Starkiller fighting Darth Phobos, an event that only takes place on the Wii, PS2 and PSP versions.
I believe the novel also follows the X-box/PS3 version of events, am I correct?
LucasArts prioritizing PS3 dev, unleashing Force. (lol at the mistaken title)
"Multiplatform development was one of our biggest challenges," he told the jam-packed hall in the basement of the Moscone Center. After George Lucas famously urged the studio to "go build that game" upon seeing the first test reels from TFU, they began work straight away on Xbox 360 dev kits in late summer 2005--because that was all the studio had."
They could only make an X-box game when they were conceiving it. Frickin no shit sherlock was it conceived as an X-box game.
The Wii version was developed by a different studio, hence why the story is different. The game was originally developed by LucasArts (duh), the Wii version was developed by Krome Studios. Since it wasn't even made by Lucasarts I don't see why it should be as valid.
Therefore I win.
Lol, what a non-answer. You jyst said 'no im right fvck you' and stuck your fingers in your ears.
Concession accepted.
It wasn't made by the same studio or the same team and it contradicts the original games. The people who created The Force Unleashed didn't even work on the Wii version. I see no reason why it should be considered as canon as the original.
Edit: This is the same for TFUII btw.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
The games occupy the same level of canon.
Hence why we should decide another way to determine canonicity.
It might have something to do with you not being the arbiter of what is and what is not canon, bro.
It's pretty obvious that you're desperate to invalidate Vader's feats to save a thoroughly outclassed Bane, here.
I mean, really, if LucasArts being the game developer is a determinant of what is and what is not canon, I guess we can toss KotOR II in the scrapheap, right?
To quote the great Count Dooku, "surely you can do better!"
stoned
Hence why we are discussing it.
No, because there are not multiple contradictory examples of Kotor II. The PC and X-box versions of it do not conflict to my knowledge. This is a case where multiple examples of the same game were released by different studios with contradictions. There needs to be a way to determine which takes precedent. Since the X-box and PS3 games were created and conceived first and were the only ones developed by the actual LucasArts team, the same team that conceived of the series and created the story in the first place, I argue that they should be the games that have canonical precedence.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Hence why we are discussing it.The PC and X-box versions of it do not conflict to my knowledge. This is a case where multiple examples of the same game were released by different studios with contradictions. There needs to be a way to determine which takes precedent. Since the X-box and PS3 games were created and conceived first and were the only ones developed by the actual LucasArts team, the same team that conceived of the series and created the story in the first place, I argue that they should be the games that have canonical precedence.
While I'm flattered that you clearly hold my opinion in such high esteem, I'm not in any better position to determine what is and is not canon. Which is one of the few things that you and I have in common with the moderators here, Ushgarak included.
The novelization and all three games occupy the same level of canon. The Wii version of events is corroborated in part in the game, Starkiller's duel with Darth Phobos has basis in supplement material by Dan Wallace and the character has an entry in the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia. The truth is that this issue is not nearly as clear cut as you imply, with each version being corroborated at various points.
The overwhelming fact is that while the game was completed first as an Xbox game, that doesn't mean the other games are non-canon.
You wished to disregard the novel because of its early release date, I complied. That left the games. Now, despite the fact that the Wii version was released on the same date as the others and has certain threads in common with the novel, you wish to disregard it as well. Even if I agreed to your contortionist-interpretation, that still leaves Vader with the feats of the Xbox/PS3-version, which still keeps him higher than an unaided!Bane in the Force.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No, because there are not multiple contradictory examples of Kotor II.
Are you suggesting that, if I looked hard enough, I wouldn't find contradictions between a game not developed by LucasArts (KOTOR II) and newer material? If you're wrong, then by the terms you set here, we can disregard the game.
Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
Bane destroying the Rakatan Temple is better > anything Vader has done and the stuff in TUF is non-canon anyway
First, Bane simply shattered the temples entrance. This caused the Temple to destabilize and then collapse. Both Vader and Bane have better feats.
Secondly, TUF is canon. As is TFU.