Peak Bane vs. Peak-Suit Vader

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
Prove that it is stylistic differences and not because they were just more powerful.

We already have variance in portrayals from TCW to the 2D series to TFU to the films, showing a massive disparity between the powers attributed to the same characters.

Similarly, despite similar handicaps and bereft of favorable dark side imbalance, the ancient Sith's feats should not be inherently more powerful. The fact that they are flashier clearly owes itself to stylistic differences.

Midi-chlorian count is irrelevant. Anakin Skywalker's midi-chlorian count was unprecedented and, per the official website, he had the potential to be more powerful than any Force user in history. Yet he didn't disintegrate people, generate supernovas, or anything of the sort.

Your argument is dead, son. 😬

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
As proven darksiders were in massive numbers in sidious time as well and dark shroud only makes jedi weaker.

And again, there is no cogent explanation for the great disparity between film!Sidious's feats and those of the ancients... beyond stylistic concerns.

Unless you have anything more to add, I'll take my victory and move on.

Nope you is just assuming that it is stylistic difference ad not midi-chlorian count, which would explin the difference.

yes anakin ahd highes midi couint but he never achieved his full potential and learnt how to use the medichlorians properly.

My point is that people like revan, bane, zannah, kreia etc all perform much superior feats and logicsal explanation is that they were naturally more gifted.

There was four extremely powerful Force Users from the movies, anakin, luke, leia and qui-gon but sadly qui-gon was defeated in combat before we could really see much from him, anakin and leia never lived up to potential, and luke only did decades later. Sidious onl became extremely powerful in DE.

Yes, Qui-Gon sure was more powerful than Yoda.

This is why you're considered an utter tool. Cuz you are.

Prove Yoda was more powerful than Qui-gon please.

You are a douche and a tool.

Qui-Gon - learnt how to become Force Ghost unaided, greatest secret of the Jedi, and made primeYoda his padawan, defeated Xanatos in combat who was so powerful that he almost killed Yoda, and in death was invited to join the Family of the Ones on Mortis. You just didnt egt to see how powerful he was because Jedis do not use the force in combat, and there was limited screen time to see his telekinesis for example.

How does Yoda's resume compare?

Are you real????? Like, seriously, are you??

That is not prove.

Try again bro.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
How does Yoda's resume compare?

Answer: It doesnt.

I don't have to proof anything to you. The fact that you're saying it is all the prove I need that you're wrong.

(hehehe, watch how he doesn't even notice)

I sent you a PM buddy. Did you get it?

Actually, no. 😆

Time to sew another failure badge onto your kiddy camper sash!

I'm just unclear as to how the large number of Force users present during EU inherently makes them weaker. There were a butt-load of Jedi when Anakin was born and when Yoda was at his peak, that also being the era of Plaegius and then Sidious. If I just missed where that was explained please fill me in.

Originally posted by Ascendancy
I'm just unclear as to how the large number of Force users present during EU inherently makes them weaker. There were a butt-load of Jedi when Anakin was born and when Yoda was at his peak, that also being the era of Plaegius and then Sidious. If I just missed where that was explained please fill me in.

Not only did you miss it, you inferred that which was not there: no one spoke of Force users in general, just Sith. The Bane trilogy espouses the view that the dark side is significantly weakened when dispersed among thousands of Sith. Bane's analogy in The Book of Sith is that the dark side is "venom" as opposed to fire and pouring it into many cups dilutes its potency.

I thought that was purely Bane's own idea which was basically bullshit because Bane was immensely powerful even before he wiped out the other Sith and doing so didn't exactly focus the entire power of the Brotherhood into him and Zannah. Zannah was also already incredibly powerful before then too. Were Bane to have trained her while the Bro's were still kicking around, it isn't as if all her midichlorians would have hopped out of her because the Dark side is spread too thin.

No doubt it's retarded as hell. But then again, consider its source.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I thought that was purely Bane's own idea which was basically bullshit because Bane was immensely powerful even before he wiped out the other Sith and doing so didn't exactly focus the entire power of the Brotherhood into him and Zannah. Zannah was also already incredibly powerful before then too. Were Bane to have trained her while the Bro's were still kicking around, it isn't as if all her midichlorians would have hopped out of her because the Dark side is spread too thin.

yeah but midis only give you acceess to the force, it has no control over how much is there.

No, the more midichlorians you have the more you can draw on the Force, i.e. the more powerful you can become.

There are exceptions like weird boosts that people get and all sorts of things that can diminish your power, but thats basically it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, the more midichlorians you have the more you can draw on the Force, i.e. the more powerful you can become.

There are exceptions like weird boosts that people get and all sorts of things that can diminish your power, but thats basically it.

Astutely Correct. 🙂

I don't feel like reading through 9 pages...what's the majority opinion? I want to say Vader, just cause, but I haven't been keeping up with new SW material, so I have no idea who actually wins.

Vader is more powerful, but with orbalisks/dark side nexus/other amplifying gimmicks, Bane wins.