You're not quite grasping my overall agenda here, bro.
We've already established that Sidious's film!feats are comparatively lame to many EU!feats for Bane and others. Accepting the presence of the Lost Tribe only serves to provide a broad explanation for that lameness.
It is you who seeks to tout Bane's feats above Sidious's. All I need do is point out that the presence of the Lost Tribe in addition to the thousands of Sith under Kaan would require that Bane's feats even as early as Path of Destruction be weaker than Sidious's own, who only had the Tribe to contend with, but was enhanced by the shroud of the dark side that did not exist in the time of Bane.
Logically, Bane must be weaker by the rules established in his books. Anything to the contrary is merely a stylistic choice.
Either way, the outcome remains: Sidious is more powerful.
Not true at all. As proven through imbreeding, Lost tribe of the Siths numbers would have been at their highest during era of Sidious. Only time the Siths have ever been left alone in peace tog row and flourish, so this mst likely the geratest number of siths of all time.
In other words, the era of Sidious saw highest number of Siths, of all time, in the history of the galaxy. hence why Siths from the movies are at their very weakest, and Jedis are at their weakest too because of shroud of the darkside. Darkside was most likely, being shared by, approximately, billions of Siths, during era of Sidious.
You have proven your veyr argument wrong by your twisted reasoning.
The EU prevails! Long live the Sith Supremists!
Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
Not true at all. As proven through imbreeding, Lost tribe of the Siths numbers would have been at their highest during era of Sidious. Only time the Siths have ever been left alone in peace tog row and flourish, so this mst likely the geratest number of siths of all time.In other words, the era of Sidious saw highest number of Siths, of all time, in the history of the galaxy. hence why Siths from the movies are at their very weakest, and Jedis are at their weakest too because of shroud of the darkside. Darkside was most likely, being shared by, approximately, billions of Siths, during era of Sidious.
You have proven your veyr argument wrong by your twisted reasoning.
The EU prevails! Long live the Sith Supremists!
False, sir. You have no means of determining the Lost Tribe's numbers nor proving that they had swelled.
The presence of the Lost Tribe in conjunction with Kaan's Sith would indicate that Bane's era was weaker still. The shroud of the dark side would weaken the Jedi but only empower the Sith.
Bane's era had more Sith and no shroud. His was weaker. XD
Originally posted by The_Tempest
False, sir. You have no means of determining the Lost Tribe's numbers nor proving that they had swelled.The presence of the Lost Tribe in conjunction with Kaan's Sith would indicate that Bane's era was weaker still. The shroud of the dark side would weaken the Jedi but only empower the Sith.
Bane's era had more Sith and no shroud. His was weaker. XD
How do you explain imbreeding?>
Kaans siths were small potatoes. Difference is Lost Tribe were left to prosper in peace and to multiply in numbers.
As a part time agricultural consultant and having spent a lot of time studying anthrolopolgy IO an tell you know little of how populaTION GROWTH IN THE presence of imbreeding and peaceful civilisation.
Originally posted by Darth _Sadow1
That's what happens when threads last too long. No one makes an argument and just bashes each other.....Sigh....
Seriously you try arguing with this shit:
Originally posted by RookwoodYep, Yoda went from Canonically being able to lift a durasteel pillar with much strain - to being able to manhandle massive CIS Carriers.
Unless of course you want to pretend Canon is wrong. 😉
The guy's calling me an idiot and a retard for not accepting his conclusion that it's apparently canon fact that Yoda became 100 times more powerful during the CW.
I think it's clear whose making the retarded arguments.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The guy's calling me an idiot and a retard for not accepting that it's canon that Yoda became significantly more powerful during the CW.I think it's clear whose making the retarded arguments.
- Yeah - You. 😆
Mr. "I don't understand Power-Progression, so I'm just going to pretend that Canon is wrong and I am right."
Bravo, Bright Eyes. clapping
Keep 'em comin'. 🍺
😎
Originally posted by Rookwood
- Yeah - You. 😆Mr. "I don't understand Power-Progression,
Oh yeah the understanding of "Power Progression.."
That after a few more fights Yoda at the age of 900 is going to suddenly increase in power 100 times 👆
The difference in the scale of feats is down to one thing. Force powers portrayed differently in different mediums. I know that's a bit hard for you to grasp, but that's the truth. Deal with it.
There's never any mention anywhere of Yoda improving even a little during the Prequels, let alone on the kind of scale your imagination has taken you.
Originally posted by Rookwood
so I'm just going to pretend that Canon is wrong and I am right."
Yeah and your one to talk. You've been given plenty of evidence from canon that Vader was fast. And yet your ignoring it. You keep claiming Vader is slow, yet have failed to provide any evidence at all to back up that claim. And yet you keep repeating the claim stating "everyone knows it." That's called Trolling.
You've lost this argument as always. And I've had enough of your trolling anyway.
Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
Hmm not sure on exact number but I believe it was in the hundreds. Wouldnt have made too much of a difference.
Wookieepedia isn't a canon source, but it says they numbered 20k (and cites The New Essential Chronology).
Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
But all joking aside do you really think that the presence of the lost tribe really would have dinimished the power of the darkside for Sidious?
Logically? No, but then I don't buy Karpyshyn's retarded idea that the dark side is weakened when disseminated among Sith. There are a number of reasons why lots of Sith are a bad idea, but that never struck me as being sensible. We know dark side artifacts radiate energy, especially when in large groups, so I'm unsure why it would be the reverse with individuals. But, then, the guy is a hack of the highest order.
Canonically? I guess. I mean, it's pretty evident that the films have no concept of a Lost Tribe and if you told Lucas about them, he'd be like "lol no" and we'd have an even greater clusterfvck to deal with. Additionally, the shroud of the dark side indicates favorable conditions for Sith to the detriment of the Jedi. All that aside, the only fundamental difference beyond the Brotherhood's substantially larger numbers is that they were dispersed across the galaxy whereas the Lost Tribe was confined to a single planet.
Tl;dr version: I don't think it was intended to be the case, no, but it is what it is.
Vader is a troubled soul. Not only is he conflicted about being a Sith, but Force Rage, his main combat ability before the transformation, back fires on him because of the limits of his cybernetics. He can't use Force Lightning (unless wielding the Kaibuur Crystal) because of his robotic parts, Force Speed would backfire because he has no motility. But he certainly has the raw power to win. I think if he truly wanted to he could crush Bane with telekinesis. Hell, he might could become completely invulnerable to energy attacks, blaster fire, kinetic impacts using Force Shield or Protection Bubble, and even become immune to lightsabers using Tutanimis to absorb the energy into his suit.
However, Vader would slaughter Bane if he had his hands on the Kaibuur Crystal like he did in one novel (can't recall). Vader with the Kaibuur Crystal could even defeat Abeloth and the Ones, his Force sensitivity was multiplied a thousand times over.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Oh yeah the understanding of "Power Progression.."
That after a few more fights Yoda at the age of 900 is going to suddenly increase in power 100 times
- Yeah. It's not like he fought in any wide-scale Galactic Wars, before the Clone Wars or anything. 😄
Yes, after centuries of mostly relative calm, he entered into a conflict that would test, and strengthen, everything about him - so he focused his power, and grew in it.
Also, the only one saying he grew in power hundreds of times - is you. 😉
Yes, he grew in power, according to Canon; that's obvious to anyone who isn't an Idiot. (which leaves you out 😆 )
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The difference in the scale of feats is down to one thing. Force powers portrayed differently in different mediums. I know that's a bit hard for you to grasp, but that's the truth. Deal with it.
I know that apparently Canon is hard for you to grasp and deal with. 😄
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
There's never any mention anywhere of Yoda improving even a little during the Prequels, let alone on the kind of scale established Canon has taken you.
The visual evidence of him improving is very evident to those who don't wish to ignore it - just like the Clone Wars clip I showed you. 😄
Take your mother's hand off of your eyes - and look out at the world for the first time. 😉
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah and your one to talk. You've been given plenty of evidence from canon that Vader was fast. And yet your ignoring it. You keep claiming Vader is slow, yet have failed to provide any evidence at all to back up that claim. And yet you keep repeating the claim stating "everyone knows it." That's called Trolling.
It's called stating the obvious; everyone here knows he is slow as molasses, and everyone here knows Vader wasn't as fast or agile, as even his ROTS-self - much less Yoda.
But you're understandably angry and embarrassed; so you want to push for something that isn't there. 😄
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I've lost this argument as always.
I accept your concession.
It's better for you to quit anyway, and not repeatedly make a mockery of yourself. 😆 😎
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Wookieepedia isn't a canon source, but it says they numbered 20k (and cites The New Essential Chronology).Logically? No, but then I don't buy Karpyshyn's retarded idea that the dark side is weakened when disseminated among Sith. There are a number of reasons why lots of Sith are a bad idea, but that never struck me as being sensible. We know dark side artifacts radiate energy, especially when in large groups, so I'm unsure why it would be the reverse with individuals. But, then, the guy is a hack of the highest order.
Canonically? I guess. I mean, it's pretty evident that the films have no concept of a Lost Tribe and if you told Lucas about them, he'd be like "lol no" and we'd have an even greater clusterfvck to deal with. Additionally, the shroud of the dark side indicates favorable conditions for Sith to the detriment of the Jedi. All that aside, the only fundamental difference beyond the Brotherhood's substantially larger numbers is that they were dispersed across the galaxy whereas the Lost Tribe was confined to a single planet.
Tl;dr version: I don't think it was intended to be the case, no, but it is what it is.
Interesting post but you stillhave not commented on the fact that Sidious might just have much lower midichlorian count than some of the sith of old.
Originally posted by RookwoodAlso, the only one saying he grew in power hundreds of times - is you. 😉
Your proof that Yoda dramatically improved is that he went from struggling with a pillar to moving landing crafts.
How much more do 2 Landing Crafts weigh compared with that One Pillar. Then tell me the magnitude of his so called "improvement."
The "reasoning" your using would suggest a power up of a hundred fold.
Originally posted by Rookwood
Yes, he grew in power, according to Canon; that's obvious to anyone who isn't an Idiot. (which leaves you out 😆 )
And this is what all your arguments come down to. No proof. No evidence. No facts. Just the same old "It's obvious to everyone.."
And yet I've not even heard one person agreeing with you.
You sir, are the only "Idiot" here.
Btw who are you a sock of?
Originally posted by Rookwood
-It's called stating the obvious; everyone here knows he is slow as molasses,
facepalm
You have no respect for canon. And never once back your opinions up with facts. I'm sure a lot of things are "obvious" to you. You should just leave this forum to people who actually refer to canon sources and make actual arguments based on that.
We don't need that "It's Obvious" bull crap over here thank you.
Originally posted by Rookwood
and everyone here knows Vader wasn't as fast or agile, as even his ROTS-self - much less Yoda.
No one said he was as fast as Yoda.
But seriously who are you a sock of??
Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
Nope. You yourself admitted that the feats from the Siths of old are much superior, so theres your answer bro.
I said that, due to stylistic decisions, they are much flashier than Sidious's film feats. But the presence of dark siders in massive numbers and the lack of dark side shroud preclude the ancient Sith from being more powerful.
Midi-chlorian counts are a separate issue, but there's no reason to believe that they were greater in this regard.