Originally posted by dmills
You know what? I like it! In fact, this actually helps me out a lot for future purposes. Of course it'll prolly help out gamma tards too, but oh well. The enemy of my enemy is my friend and all of that.
Yep, mindless Ones took on and almost defeated Dormammu, fought Dormammu and Classic Strange at the same time and had them in fear of losing, took on Dormammu again, mud stomped Savage Hulk, walked in Neutron stars without even feeling the heat/pressure, was too powerful for a full powered Umar to handle (same Umar who is walking around with Dormammu power) but Hulk melts them 100 of fts away without even touching them. Good googly moogly.
Originally posted by Galan007
^ One Probe shit-canned 100,000 solar powered Daxamites as well. Do you think the Annihilators could do that? I don't. /shrugPoint: while the Probes do have some feats indicative of this team being able to beat one, they also have individual feats that are WELL beyond this team's capability. Therefore, the argument(s) for and against the Probes are perfectly warranted, imo.
Doomsday also shredded several probes like nothing. Do I think the Annihilators can beat a single opponent, when Doomsday can dispatch several identical opponents with ease? I do.
I mean it's one thing to say that H/P Doomsday crushing several probes like nothing is a low showing for the probes (and the 100k daxamites is a high) and then try to come up with an average. I personally think the team can beat this average Probe, but you're right, it's debatable.
Another thing is to claim that Doomsday shredding Probes like they were Doombots is NOT a low showing for the probes, which has been stated.
H/P Doomsday is a beast, but I have a very hard time seeing how an opponent he crushes _easily_, will not be soundly beaten by this team. Otherwise I really have to reevaluate my impression of H/P Doomsday's powerlevel.
Originally posted by carver9
And plenty of Heralds survived attacks from HP, hell, Diana withstood a beat down whereas the Probes were being one punched and let's not pretend like HP Doomsday hold back either.
When Diana fought HP he was being controlled by Brainiac. Completely different mindset and attitude. Plus, Brainiac didn't seem to want to kill the League either.
So not the same thing.
Originally posted by -Pr-Not only that, but she didn't even register as a threat to him either. He was toying with them in the Doomsday body. He let Wonder Woman take her best shot and he barely noticed. Then tied her up like a pretzel in her own rope and used her like wrecking ball to smash a blurring Flash trying to run up on him. lol.
When Diana fought HP he was being controlled by Brainiac. Completely different mindset and attitude. Plus, Brainiac didn't seem to want to kill the League either.So not the same thing.
Originally posted by Ash_J_WilliamsWell, the only one that's fought remotely evenly with him, is the guy that was fighting alongside him, and that was a gigantic gap for Superman to be try to be clearing. [He even died pushing himself clearing that gap in The Death of Superman, and was amped in Hunter/Prey and was still a ways off. The only two times he's ever matched Doomsday as true equals, is when he lets it all out. ] Top tiers were like cockroaches to Doomsday. Even Darkseid was like Anderson Silva vs an Infant.
Otherwise I really have to reevaluate my impression of H/P Doomsday's powerlevel.
Originally posted by carver9
Yep, mindless Ones took on and almost defeated Dormammu, fought Dormammu and Classic Strange at the same time and had them in fear of losing, took on Dormammu again, mud stomped Savage Hulk, walked in Neutron stars without even feeling the heat/pressure, was too powerful for a full powered Umar to handle (same Umar who is walking around with Dormammu power) but Hulk melts them 100 of fts away without even touching them. Good googly moogly.
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Notice Blade breaks ones head with a punch, then slices another in half. lol.
"A Probe solo'ing 100,000 solar powered Daxamites has to be taken with a grain of salt."
"A Probe solo'ing Kyle+Dianna+Superman+Wally+J'onn has to be taken with a grain of salt."
"A Probe stalemating Mordru+the Legion has to be taken with a grain of salt."
"A Probe solo'ing Zod and his forces (twice) has to be taken with a grain of salt."
Etc.
Crikey, how many grains of salt are we taking here? It seems like people cling so adamantly to the Probes' lower-end feats(or at least what they perceive as lower-end feats) without even considering their higher-end feats. That type of 'logic' is why I stopped posting as much as I used to, I think.
Originally posted by Galan007Was Hyppolyta posing as Diana in that full gear in that fight, I'd forgot about that. Is a correction on my earlier post as well.
"A Probe solo'ing 100,000 solar powered Daxamites has to be taken with a grain of salt."
"A Probe solo'ing Kyle+Dianna+Superman+Wally+J'onn has to be taken with a grain of salt."
"A Probe stalemating Mordru+the Legion has to be taken with a grain of salt."
"A Probe solo'ing Zod and his forces (twice) has to be taken with a grain of salt."
Etc.Crikey, how many grains of salt are we taking here? It seems like people cling so adamantly to the Probes' lower-end feats(or at least what they perceive as lower-end feats) without even considering their higher-end feats. That type of 'logic' is why I stopped posting as much as I used to, I think.
Just a quick question..... Could it be that some of the earlier probes were presented as more formidable and the one they needed to stop. When in fact, it's revealed later that they were merely probes and imperiex is the true being they have to stop. So, wouldn't it stand to reason they if you're trying to make it seem like the probe is the big bad thing you need to stop you would make it come across more formidable until the reveal, at which point.... the probes seemd to go down in formidablility
Originally posted by Juntai
Was Hyppolyta posing as Diana in that full gear in that fight, I'd forgot about that. Is a correction on my earlier post as well.
Yeah she was.
That's why Clark was so desperate to save her when the Probe blew up, then he found out it wasn't Diana, then he was like okay then you can die now please. 😄
Originally posted by carver9
Yep, mindless Ones took on and almost defeated Dormammu, fought Dormammu and Classic Strange at the same time and had them in fear of losing, took on Dormammu again, mud stomped Savage Hulk, walked in Neutron stars without even feeling the heat/pressure, was too powerful for a full powered Umar to handle (same Umar who is walking around with Dormammu power) but Hulk melts them 100 of fts away without even touching them. Good googly moogly.
When the Fox cannot reach the grapes, he says that they are sour.
Seriously though. Let's not bring up other similar type issues in comicdom because that just makes supporters of the team look desperate. Instead, those of you familiar enough with the material in the debate should maybe shead light on what the Annihilators could do here. Or perhaps point out flaws in the other sides arguments. For example, was weakness exploitation in play in some manner?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Just a quick question..... Could it be that some of the earlier probes were presented as more formidable and the one they needed to stop. When in fact, it's revealed later that they were merely probes and imperiex is the true being they have to stop. So, wouldn't it stand to reason they if you're trying to make it seem like the probe is the big bad thing you need to stop you would make it come across more formidable until the reveal, at which point.... the probes seemd to go down in formidablility
I'm just curious as to why the Probes Superman and Doomsday fought never exploded when they were damaged like all the other probes did. The duo attacked Imperiex during the time he was creating the probes (they were lined up all around him) and when he noticed Superman and Doomsday ready to attack, he unleashed the probes he was feeding energy too. I know me and Pr discussed this already but he never gave me an answer to that question. I'm curious to see what others think...including you Pr since we never finished debating on the topic.
Originally posted by carver9
I'm just curious as to why the Probes Superman and Doomsday fought never exploded when they were damaged like all the other probes did. The duo attacked Imperiex during the time he was creating the probes (they were lined up all around him) and when he noticed Superman and Doomsday ready to attack, he unleashed the probes he was feeding energy too. I know me and Pr discussed this already but he never gave me an answer to that question. I'm curious to see what others think...including you Pr since we never finished debating on the topic.
if you'd read the comic, you'd know that when superman was destroying them, he knew to cauterise them at the same time.
any explosions wouldn't hurt doomsday either way.
I have answered you. Several times. You just keep bringing it up like that woman that won't let shit go.
Originally posted by Juntai
They'll work, but they can possibly win too, I think. Single probes were doing ridiculous stuff though, one ran through Martian Manhunter, Aquaman, Flash, Wonder Woman in full battle gear, Green Lantern Kyle and Plastic Man in a few panels/splashpages, and while it could debated this team is even more powerful than that...they didn't harm it, dent it, or even slow it down. It pretty much one shot each of them and left them floating unconscious in space. Diana in full gear just got eyebeamed nearly to death.
Are you referring to this scene because there's actually two probes they're fighting. Lower right hand corner, this is the one Diana, Superman, and Aquaman fights.
But the purpose of this thread teetered off course to be more about Superman as a benchmark as time passed, because in this story when Superman went 'all out', without any outside upgrade, he was a hundred times more effective than a dozen herald levelers and people don't like it.
Yes, because Superman has this Super Saiyan ability to surpass his peers. No, it wasn't it Superman stroking at all.
Originally posted by Galan007
^ One Probe shit-canned 100,000 solar powered Daxamites as well. Do you think the Annihilators could do that? I don't. /shrugPoint: while the Probes do have some feats indicative of this team being able to beat one, they also have individual feats that are WELL beyond this team's capability. Therefore, the argument(s) for and against the Probes are perfectly warranted, imo.
Not really, you have one massive feat by one probe while the majority of the other probes came no where near it. No, the Annihilators would not beat that particular probe. But this thread ask if they could defeat a probe, not that particular one. The probes have impressive feats but this idea that Superman unrestrained is some how leagues above all members of this team is ridiculous. It's as if these guys don't restrain themselves either. This is the same Surfer that can absorb a star while you have a probe that got wrecked by Black Lightning tapping into a nuclear tank.
Also that fight with Mordru and the Legion, it was a monitoring and we see little. Yes we see one probe but it doesn't mean there's just one probe that gave them resistance. If it truly was, then that particular probe is pretty damn powerful. Most of the other's weren't near that power level for people to argue that in general a single probe would beat this team. While some members of this team cutting loose could perform as well as Superman.
Originally posted by Galan007
"A Probe solo'ing 100,000 solar powered Daxamites has to be taken with a grain of salt."
Should be because not even Superman or HP Doomsday could perform such a feat. If this was the same probe Superman and Mongul killed then yeah take the Daxamite thing with a grain of salt...add pepper while your at it.
"A Probe solo'ing Kyle+Dianna+Superman+Wally+J'onn has to be taken with a grain of salt."
Thought it was two and Superman ripped it's arm off no? It got killed to death by Superman. More like that probe was in over his head.
"A Probe stalemating Mordru+the Legion has to be taken with a grain of salt."
We see like one panel. Is there more panels where they fought? Or just that one panel.
"A Probe solo'ing Zod and his forces (twice) has to be taken with a grain of salt."
That was impressive. Still, his force isn't the Annihilators and Zod is no Surfer or Nova Prime.
Crikey, how many grains of salt are we taking here? It seems like people cling so adamantly to the Probes' lower-end feats(or at least what they perceive as lower-end feats) without even considering their higher-end feats. That type of 'logic' is why I stopped posting as much as I used to, I think.
The average probes dying left and right. No average probe is surviving a fight with the Annihilators.
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