Originally posted by JuntaiSo Superman can go toe to toe with Doomsday. He's also been manhandled before by him as well. He also has more experience against him. Abc logic doesn't prove Superman can beat Orion despite these two going head to head multiple times so it's abc logic and ignoring the fact Superman has the most experience going up against Doomsday.
It's clear they were meant to be above, judging by their performances against teams and even the one on ones. I mean, they were manhandling the other 'peers' of Superman.I understand your problem with this, is that Superman was manhandling by the handful when he went balls out, and thus, he should be able to do that to the other 'peers' as well.
I don't see the problem, and believe that in that mode- he would. And -easily-.
Superman has 'peers', but he constantly distinguishes himself from them to the point where even they're flat out amazed. This was one of those examples.
Him manhandling Darkseid, was another -- perhaps less extreme -- version of this. His battles were Doomsday are the same. No one else could toe to toe and slug with Doomsday.
But somehow, the haters don't seem to recognize this.
Somehow they see it as, well, if Superman can do it, then so can abcd and e.
Orion has also beaten the hell/killed Darkseid on panel. Darkseid also manhandled Superman during OWAW so it's ironic you using the word manhandle. Darkseid, Orion, and Superman are all peers so one can look better than the other on occasion no one is flat out above any of them as a rule of thumb.
I am a hater and proud of it. But don't you dare accuse others of being haters just because they share a different perspective.
Surfer's made Galactus awe at his crunch feat, Thor has almost killed a weakened Galactus, destroyed Exitar's dome, etc. These feats don't suddenly make them beyond their peers it's just another example of their highest most impressive moments. Most long standing top tiers have them don't act like this is somehow different for Superman.