Peter Parker vs Steve Rogers

On the "who's the better hero" thing, I'm not talking wholistically. I'm talking solely about potential power as we gauge it on the forums.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Maybe not KK level, but several levels above the feats he's pulling off now.

No one's saying Pete is more skilled, certainly not me. But, like, he knows pressure points, kung fu, and has even been trained some by Cap. And has he shattered helicarriers with pressure strikes? Because that's the kind of **** KK pulls. KK is light years beyond Steve with this stuff; sorry.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Digi's global mod powers are the only thing keeping him alive from the angry mob now. But even that won't last for long...

And I'm waiting for a cogent rebuttal of how Pete's tech and inventing prowess puts him above what anyone could do with spider powers. We have people on KMC that think Cap is almost SM's physical equal. They're wrong of course, but we're not talking about orders of magnitude better with the physical stats, and Cap loses any and all tech, including webs. He'd be better in a few ways, worse in several others, and probably a push in terms of overall power.

Pete on the other hand could pimp himself out with tech to make himself more than Cap could ever be by just punching stuff.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It'd have to be their normal rogue gallery, otherwise Cap would be in his 70-80's before he started fighting.

As seen with some couple of SSS Soldiers were taken down by SSSless Rogers one time.

Captain would be trained already and just adjust to his new limits and he would do amazing right off the bat. IMO Cap would abuse the shit out of spiderman's agility and speed and strength.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
If this is the case. I think that Rogers would do better. It would take peter too long to really fine tune his abilities and reflexes because you need a certain level of training to be able to properly use the SSS.

As seen with some couple of SSS Soldiers were taken down by SSSless Rogers one time.

Captain would be trained already and just adjust to his new limits and he would do amazing right off the bat. IMO Cap would abuse the shit out of spiderman's agility and speed and strength.

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Originally posted by Digi
On the "who's the better hero" thing, I'm not talking wholistically. I'm talking solely about potential power as we gauge it on the forums.

No one's saying Pete is more skilled, certainly not me. But, like, he knows pressure points, kung fu, and has even been trained some by Cap. And has he shattered helicarriers with pressure strikes? Because that's the kind of **** KK pulls. KK is light years beyond Steve with this stuff; sorry.

And I'm waiting for a cogent rebuttal of how Pete's tech and inventing prowess puts him above what anyone could do with spider powers. We have people on KMC that think Cap is almost SM's physical equal. They're wrong of course, but we're not talking about orders of magnitude better with the physical stats, and Cap loses any and all tech, including webs. He'd be better in a few ways, worse in several others, and probably a push in terms of overall power.

Pete on the other hand could pimp himself out with tech to make himself more than Cap could ever be by just punching stuff.

im not seeing the angle your peddling digi. sure parker is a genius, yea he knows a little kung fu and great he has armor, but he's still a poor mans iron man...

its not just what cap can do...its who the people he could bring around him. cap could muster a team while powerless just by tenacity alone

If Peter was taken and put into caps place. Given a shield, training, the chain mail... And thrown into world war 2....

He'd likely survive the war... But he'd never inspire soldiers the way cap did

Cap however... With his limited power set has a charisma and battle sense that is not matched ANYWHERE else in marvel.

Give Steve the Spider-Man powers and he won't necessarily be able to come up with webbing or what not... But he'd likely end up in shields eyeball... And end up with the gear that gets him back on top. Who says he has to build when he inspires so much people will do anything for him...

Parker would do better.

He already is a pretty smart genius on his own. Augment it with the SSS, train him to give him a more militaristic way of thinking (whilst keeping his originality - I mean, no one is arguing Steve just colours by numbers here).

Steve, without the military, will still have heart. Would he have developed his Spider Fu? Would he have travelled the world, learning different style? Probably not. Don't forget, Steve was just a poor schmuck, and the way he gets his powers here (spiderbite) means he won't have some massive military machine paying for his education.

Parker would have whatever resources he needs. And a goal, without having to worry about Aunt May or whatever.

Does Pete start off with the SSS in WW2 era or today? Either way I see him helping improve army tech leaps and bounds. I see Parker ahead but i'm wishy washy and could go either way just because Cap .

Peter has great willpower bravery taking on someone way more powerful then himself like Firelord, Hulk, Juggernaut, and others show just how strong his will is. Steve may become a good fighter but who knows if he would have taken his fight techniques so seriously having super strength and speed. Spider-Man going through war would make his a more serious hero.

Actually the OP said that Steve could still join the Army, so he likely still ends up being a government sponsored super-soldier, his training will just be a little different.

I would think back in 41 seeing Captain America moving as fast as Spider-Man plus is Super Strength might make the military suspicious.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Parker would do better.

He already is a pretty smart genius on his own. Augment it with the SSS, train him to give him a more militaristic way of thinking (whilst keeping his originality - I mean, no one is arguing Steve just colours by numbers here).

Steve, without the military, will still have heart. Would he have developed his Spider Fu? Would he have travelled the world, learning different style? Probably not. Don't forget, Steve was just a poor schmuck, and the way he gets his powers here (spiderbite) means he won't have some massive military machine paying for his education.

Parker would have whatever resources he needs. And a goal, without having to worry about Aunt May or whatever.

unc bens death is what made parker the man he is....i dont see how giving him the sss and placing him in ww2 is going to make him a better hero he is a genius but not a creative genius...he'd be limited by the technological advancements of the time

Steve would hardly be the only super-powered person around during that time, I see no reason for him to not join the Army and end up working with the Invaders, just like he did as Captain America.

So we are comparing Parker in the 40s to Rogers in the 90s (or whenever he's set)?

In which case, won't Rogers lose all of his Nazi fighting experiences, which in turn would mean he's less effective as a soldier? I mean, don't get me wrong, the Gulf War was a fight, but nothing like WW2..

Or does Parker get frozen, and thawed out in modern day America? In which case, he's gonna have a field day with modern tech.

And I said it'd make him a better hero because it would teach him focus, and a more martial way of thinking. He'd become a more effective crime fighter, with a formalised education in tactics, strategy and fighting. Rogers was a nobody, then he got trained up, and he's now the foremost tactician in Marvel. I can't see why Parker won't become the same.

Rogers in 40s and Peter in 60s both during War time

Still Peter, then. But with a Punisher style, dirty war bent.

One thing to take into consideration, without getting his powers until he's 18, Peter would never have been in a position to let the burglar go that ends up killing Ben so he's not going to have anywhere near the same drive as he did as Spider-man.

Originally posted by Digi
In these recent arcs it was implied that he was never a big-time inventor not because he didn't haev the brain power, but because his life pulled him in too many other directions. Based on recent tech showings, what he's done with relatively little time as a "free" inventor, there's a damn good case to be made that the most powerful Peter Parker might be the one who never got spider powers in the first place, and could focus solely on science.

Of course Cap will be physically superior because of the new body. But he loses the "who does better" battle in SO many other ways. Peter would do better because, frankly, he's a better hero. Smarter, more clever and ingenious. Unless this is an "inspire-off" Cap has nothing to hang his hat on, and would quickly die in one of the hundreds of situations where Spidey's web-shooters saved his and others' lives.

Your reaching digi. Parker isnt a soldier. In a role reversal scenario Cap would benefit more imo. And who's to say he wouldnt, hed become a American symbol without the shield. Parker would be thrust into WW2 as a leader which is not his strong point...he doesn't inspire in the same way. Its not the sss that makes Steve captain America. Its Steve. Parker isn't on the level even with prep

Originally posted by Sin I AM
im not seeing the angle your peddling digi. sure parker is a genius, yea he knows a little kung fu and great he has armor, but he's still a poor mans iron man...

its not just what cap can do...its who the people he could bring around him. cap could muster a team while powerless just by tenacity alone

So, we're saying Cap could build a better team? That's kinda beyond the bounds of the OP, isn't it? You're claiming he's better because of other characters. I mean, if we allow that, sure, maybe. Otherwise, I still don't see how Parker's inventing ability doesn't put him beyond Cap in any forum-related endeavor. Webbing alone is probably 1/3 or more of Spider-Man's usefulness in many fights, and that's only the big obvious thing, not all the other stuff.

Saying he's a poor man's Iron Man means nothing. This isn't against Iron Man. This is against someone who couldn't even hope to build a suit, or do anything but punch stuff and pose dramatically. And who says Parker would lead? If he were thrust into Cap's role, he'd probably fight when needed, and reverse engineer a bunch of Hydra tech, and become an unseen, brainy scourge rather than a dramatic leader.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Your reaching digi. Parker isnt a soldier. In a role reversal scenario Cap would benefit more imo. And who's to say he wouldnt, hed become a American symbol without the shield. Parker would be thrust into WW2 as a leader which is not his strong point...he doesn't inspire in the same way. Its not the sss that makes Steve captain America. Its Steve. Parker isn't on the level even with prep

And it's not spider-powers that make Spider-Man, it's Peter Parker. His willpower showings are probably equal to Cap's, or damn close.

You're taking a leadership angle, which I can't really follow you to. We're comparing apples and oranges. I'm talking forum fight, where Parker would have a super suit, Parker Particles, webbing, and a dozen tricks up his sleeve. And Steve would be fast and punch stuff.

Originally posted by Digi
And it's not spider-powers that make Spider-Man, it's Peter Parker. His willpower showings are probably equal to Cap's, or damn close.

You're taking a leadership angle, which I can't really follow you to. We're comparing apples and oranges. I'm talking forum fight, where Parker would have a super suit, Parker Particles, webbing, and a dozen tricks up his sleeve. And Steve would be fast and punch stuff.

Even if you ignore a forum fight, and say OK, drop them both in a city, who cleans crime up faster (or takes out more Nazis, whatever), money's still on Parker.

Willpower?

Day one:

90lb weakling vs 90 lb weakling

Steve fought against even the biggest bullies of the time. Super soldier or not he was joining the army. SSS or spidey powers he's still joining the army or shield and become a lead military figure.

Peter however couldn't stand up the bullies of his time. Even his character from an early onset with regards to the death of uncle Ben was due to his mindset as a teenager. In character what kind of leadership has Parker shown through the years.

Peter with the power set of captain America would be a depowered version of who he is today. While cap increases his own abilities.

And taking away the skills of Steve while allow Peter his is a fallacy. Remember that cap only had 6 months of training prior to going into the war so it wasn't like he lost a lifetime of training. Those were his on inherent willpower and intuitive fighting abilities. Things Peter doesn't have.