Originally posted by DTMUnless you want to talk about tactical ingenuity, reflexes, and the ability to adapt to sudden changes on the fly.
Not by leaps and bounds, and physical superiority is hardly the only factor one needs to consider in a fight.
You know, stuff Cap has shown far more proficiency in than anyone in the Dark Knight trilogy combined. What with being a superpowered genetic abomination and all.
No, he is physically superior by an impossibly large margin.
He's held 1200lbs(roughly) over his head with no problems.
Hurdled a fence that was at least 8-10 feet high.
Knocked heavily armored and grown men 20 feet away and over an APC(sometimes 10 feet or more at the highest point)
Punched through reinforced submarine glass.
Threw a fully grown man from the water onto a dry dock about 15 feet above sea level.
Bane has nothing to put him even close and you know it.
Originally posted by DTM
Bane comes close, but thats not what I was meaning when I said that.
Ok, show me Bane coming close to jumping an 8 foot fence, catching up to a car, lifting a motorcycle with 3 people on it over his head, taking hits from Loki and getting up after being hit by an energy blast.
Originally posted by DTMI can't be the only who sees appeasing, "agree to disagree" platitudes like this as a form of saving face in the wake of impenetrable opposition.
LOL So now Batman and crew have "barely human" level physical feats? 😛Hey, you guys believe one thing, I see it another way (especially in this location, in this time of day), its cool, doesnt bother me we dont see eye to eye on this. 🙂
I can't be.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I can't be the only who sees appeasing, "agree to disagree" platitudes like this as a form of saving face in the wake of impenetrable opposition.I can't be.
Nope, I do believe what I believe, solidly at that, and Im hardly saying agree to disagree because Im wrong and have no defense. 🙂
Originally posted by DTM
LOL So now Batman and crew have "barely human" level physical feats? 😛Hey, you guys believe one thing, I see it another way (especially in this location, in this time of day), its cool, doesnt bother me we dont see eye to eye on this. 🙂
There really is no "agreeing to disagree" on this. If you have seen all the movies needed to put input on this fight then they show better then average ability for TDK team and Superhuman levels for cap. He out classes them all in speed, strength, agility, and reflexes. Caps fighting ability was far beyond anything anyone in any of the DK movies ever showed. Im not attacking you im just saying there is no way they could beat him.
And I would disagree with that, as the numbers, setting, time of day, equipment and intelligence advantage I do believe is enough to offset them being physically inferior to Cap. If they started right next to one another, sure I could see Cap handily them quickly, but theyre Id imagine on opposing ends of Gotham City, which means Team Bats has time to prep and plan (even if its just talking to one another and devising a suitable plan of attack), and their mastery in stealth (much moreso than any Hydra agent) will help greatly in this envrionment as well.
Yes, but leadership applies theres a team to lead, Cap is by himself here. Im not saying Cap will walk blindly into a trap, but Team Bats has LOADS of combat, tactical and scientific knowledge on their end, which unless Cap starts right before them from Second 1, they will be able to pool and formulate a suitable plan.
With their standard gear, which is nothing spectacular. What plan could they possibly come up with to help them? And they can't sneak up on him, the SSS enhanced not only his physical attributes and courage(making it unlikely the fear gas would work on him if Crow could even use it before he gets knocked out), but his senses as well. Seeing as how he took out a perfectly camouflaged tree sniper that no one else even knew was there.
Like I said, the stealthing abilities of Batman, Bane and Ras should be well above what a Hydra sniper can do, especially in Gotham, especially at night. And while the SSS should provide SOME protection against KO darts and fear toxins, I dont see it making Cap immune, meaning its going to effect him to a degree, which the superior numbers of the opposing team should be able to capitalize on. Personally, considering the massive odds against Cap in this particular scenario, Im giving him heaps of props to say hed probably KO most of the other team here. 🙂
Originally posted by DTM
Like I said, the stealthing abilities of Batman, Bane and Ras should be well above what a Hydra sniper can do, especially in Gotham, especially at night. And while the SSS should provide SOME protection against KO darts and fear toxins, I dont see it making Cap immune, meaning its going to effect him to a degree, which the superior numbers of the opposing team should be able to capitalize on. Personally, considering the massive odds against Cap in this particular scenario, Im giving him heaps of props to say hed probably KO most of the other team here. 🙂
Lol, Bane never even displayed any stealth.
As for Batman and Ra's, Batman only used his "stealthing" on untrained schmucks. Cap's a soldier, on top of being enhanced to insane levels in comparison to them. And if you watched the movie, you'd realize that the sniper was perfectly blended, he wasn't even moving. The branches weren't even moving from his breathing. And Cap took him out before he could even react.
Just because it's night time doesn't help them, because Gotham has plenty of lights on at night.
As for Scarecrow, as I said, he has to get incredibly close for his gas to work, and if he doesn't get popped in the face with a shield from 30 feet away, he's done for as soon as Cap gets in close.
I admire your want for Team Nolan to win, but there's no way.
Originally posted by DTM
And I would disagree with that, as the numbers, setting, time of day, equipment and intelligence advantage I do believe is enough to offset them being physically inferior to Cap. If they started right next to one another, sure I could see Cap handily them quickly, but theyre Id imagine on opposing ends of Gotham City, which means Team Bats has time to prep and plan (even if its just talking to one another and devising a suitable plan of attack), and their mastery in stealth (much moreso than any Hydra agent) will help greatly in this envrionment as well.
this would imply that Team DK has the ability to cooperate. I do not think this is the case but even if it were no weapon they could muster would be a match Caps shield. He protected himself from Thors crazy hammer attack and there wasn't even any give in the shield or cap because it absorbs impact and.....
........Mjolnir >>>>>x infinity greater then anything in the entire Nolan verse.
Originally posted by ImpedimentI actually didn't even think about that but great point!
Wouldn't Cap's metabolism burn through the Scarecrow toxin? Cap cant get drunk because of his extremely high metabolism, so couldn't the same be said for any kind of toxin? That or, at the very least, have little effect for a very brief period?