X-men Movie series vs Twilight Movie Series

Originally posted by rox
but remember jean is so powerful mind constrants didn't work on her and only pissed her off to where she distingrated everything. xavier was at his best when he tried this.

True, but Bella's power is not the same as Professor X's. Bella is completely immune to any mind powers and mind attacks. She repels mind powers even without her putting effort into it. That's completely different from Prof. X putting a conscious effort into battling another person with mind powers.

We do not know whether it is enough to counter Phoenix, but we do not have enough feats to judge accurately.

Phoenix seemed more powerful, but at the same time Bella didn't seem to even break a sweat repelling mind powers even when she was human.

What's to keep Jasper from altering DP's emotions, making her horny as hell, causing her to sneak into a dark corner and pleasure herself?

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
What's to keep Jasper from altering DP's emotions, making her horny as hell, causing her to sneak into a dark corner and pleasure herself?

Maybe the fact that she's so powerful she not only resisted Xavier's mind, she then surpassed it and turned him into ash. Maybe that.

Originally posted by Robtard
Maybe the fact that she's so powerful she not only resisted Xavier's mind she then surpassed it and turned him into ash. Maybe that.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
I had a visual and you ruined it. Ass.

She can still go pleasure herself after she's turned everyone into ash.

Originally posted by Robtard
She can still go pleasure herself after she's turned everyone into ash.

Originally posted by FrothByte
In the books I believe it's mentioned that he's used it on whole battlefields before.

As for the movies, well he was pretty much ready to use it on the Cullen's entire army if Bella didn't stop him, so.... how big was that area?

It's pretty unfair to put phoenix in this match. She was a cosmic entity. Completely whacko though, and will probably kill everyone else here not named Wolverine. I guess that counts as an X-men win, but I'm still not sure if her powers can get through Bella's shield. Phoenix's powers (at least on the movies) seemed to be based off Jean's telekinesis and telepathy (although incredibly amped up). Bella's shield has been shown to completely deaden mind powers.

Originally posted by Robtard
Maybe the fact that she's so powerful she not only resisted Xavier's mind, she then surpassed it and turned him into ash. Maybe that.

and jean realized her full potential when she wa a young girl.

Juggernaut slams into a group of Twivamps at full speed. Result?

Originally posted by Mindset
When did Bella affect telekinesis?

Admittedly, never. Bella has been able to counter 4 different mind powers of 4 different vamps though, without even thinking about it.

Whether it will block Dark Phoenix's telekinesis, I'm undecided. Like I said before, putting Dark Phoenix in this match was a bit too unfair. OP should have made it just plain Jean Grey.

Best bet for the vamps is for Alec and Jane to hit Phoenix and Shaw immediately as soon as the fight starts and incapacitate them.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Best bet for the vamps is for Alec and Jane to hit Phoenix and Shaw immediately as soon as the fight starts and incapacitate them.

You would have to assume that the Twivamps attack (and get to) the optimal targets first before the (far more combat, tactical and teamwork trained, longer ranged and possesing of far more versatile sets of abilities) X-Men/Mutants manage to deploy their abilities in defense sufficiently to buy Phoenix enough time to blink the Twifags to ash....

Not likely, IMO

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Actually the vamps would need to stop jean erik and ororo from takinh flight otherwise there toast

Originally posted by Nibedicus
You would have to assume that the Twivamps attack (and get to) the optimal targets first before the (far more combat, tactical and teamwork trained, longer ranged and possesing of far more versatile sets of abilities) X-Men/Mutants manage to deploy their abilities in defense sufficiently to buy Phoenix enough time to blink the Twifags to ash....

Not likely, IMO

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What makes you think that the Xmen have more combat and tactical experience? Most of these vamps are hundreds of years old. And whereas the Xmen might have more diverse powers, ALL the vamps have super strength, super speed, and super durability... plus all their special powers. Even if the mutants are able to get inside Bella's shield, they'd still have to deal with the speed and strength of the vamps, not to mention their other powers. Storm can start hurling lightning and such, it would still be a challenge to actually hit the vamps.

As for who has the faster attacks, Jane's power is instantaneous. Speed of thought and all that. Of course, Prof. X's and Jean Grey's powers are instantaneous as well. So it all boils down to whether Bella's shield can block Phoenix. Prof X I'm pretty sure won't work, since Bella's shield has been proven against telepathy before.

Originally posted by FrothByte
What makes you think that the Xmen have more combat and tactical experience? Most of these vamps are hundreds of years old. And whereas the Xmen might have more diverse powers, ALL the vamps have super strength, super speed, and super durability... plus all their special powers. Even if the mutants are able to get inside Bella's shield, they'd still have to deal with the speed and strength of the vamps, not to mention their other powers. Storm can start hurling lightning and such, it would still be a challenge to actually hit the vamps.

As for who has the faster attacks, Jane's power is instantaneous. Speed of thought and all that. Of course, Prof. X's and Jean Grey's powers are instantaneous as well. So it all boils down to whether Bella's shield can block Phoenix. Prof X I'm pretty sure won't work, since Bella's shield has been proven against telepathy before.

Age does not translate to tactical skill, else Thor would be the most tactcially skilled character in these forums. Super strength and durability don't matter if you're reduced to ash before you can bring it to bear. And super speed won't help them other than maybe getting them close (w/c won't be enough as they won't have enough time). Phoenix's disintegration attack can't be dodged. The X-Men don't have to get to Bella's shield, they just have to fight defensively long enough to buy Phoenix enough time to blink.

And no, Bella has never stopped TK (a physical effect triggered by a mental ability) before so you can't manufacture powers that was never shown in the movies.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Age does not translate to tactical skill, else Thor would be the most tactcially skilled character in these forums. Super strength and durability don't matter if you're reduced to ash before you can bring it to bear. And super speed won't help them other than maybe getting them close (w/c won't be enough as they won't have enough time). Phoenix's disintegration attack can't be dodged. The X-Men don't have to get to Bella's shield, they just have to fight defensively long enough to buy Phoenix enough time to blink.

And no, Bella has never stopped TK (a physical effect triggered by a mental ability) before so you can't manufacture powers that was never shown in the movies.

Yes agreed, Bella hasn't shown that she can stop TK. Question is, which attack is faster? Phoenix disintegrating the twi-army or Jane crippling Phoenix?

In the end, the X-men's main weapon here is Phoenix. If Phoenix fails, then the odds start favoring the twi-vamps.

I didn't mention the super strenght and speed of the vamps thinking that they can beat Phoenix. I mentioned those in reply to your statement of the Xmen having more diverse powers.

IN the event that Phoenix gets taken down, the rest of the X-men will have trouble taking out the twi-army considering they are all supplied with super speed and super strength.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes agreed, Bella hasn't shown that she can stop TK. Question is, which attack is faster? Phoenix disintegrating the twi-army or Jane crippling Phoenix?

In the end, the X-men's main weapon here is Phoenix. If Phoenix fails, then the odds start favoring the twi-vamps.

I didn't mention the super strenght and speed of the vamps thinking that they can beat Phoenix. I mentioned those in reply to your statement of the Xmen having more diverse powers.

IN the event that Phoenix gets taken down, the rest of the X-men will have trouble taking out the twi-army considering they are all supplied with super speed and super strength.

It is highly arguable that mental attacks would affect Phoenix. Prof X poops over any Twivamp "feat" out there and all his focused assault vs. Phoenix got him was dusted. In fact, I'd go out and say that "feat-to-feat" ain't no way Jane is even affecting Phoenix with her powers at all as she has resisted far more powerful mental attacks than what Jane is capable of.

Also, no one has ever been able to get close to Phoenix without her wanting them to (other than maybe PIS-y Wolverine). She froze syringe-bullets in mid air while her back was turned for Pete's sake. No one from is taking Phoenix down. Physically or mentally.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
It is highly arguable that mental attacks would affect Phoenix. Prof X poops over any Twivamp "feat" out there and all his focused assault vs. Phoenix got him was dusted. In fact, I'd go out and say that "feat-to-feat" ain't no way Jane is even affecting Phoenix with her powers at all as she has resisted far more powerful mental attacks than what Jane is capable of.

Also, no one has ever been able to get close to Phoenix without her wanting them to (other than maybe PIS-y Wolverine). She froze syringe-bullets in mid air while her back was turned for Pete's sake. No one from is taking Phoenix down. Physically or mentally.

Prof. X doesn't exactly "poop" on twivamp feats. Prof. X has consistently struggled when confronted with strong willed minds. Jane has never had even the slightest difficulty initiating pain, regardless of will power and other powers of her target. The only exception is Bella, but Jane didn't struggle here either. Her power just didn't work.

Jane's power will either work instantaneously on Phoenix or it won't. There's no "Phoenix is so strong she will fight through Jane's psychic pain". At least, that's how Jane has been depicted in both the books and the movies.

Claiming that Phoenix is immune to Jane's pain attacks is about as baseless as me claiming that Bella's shield can withstand a TK attack.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Prof. X doesn't exactly "poop" on twivamp feats. Prof. X has consistently struggled when confronted with strong willed minds. Jane has never had even the slightest difficulty initiating pain, regardless of will power and other powers of her target. The only exception is Bella, but Jane didn't struggle here either. Her power just didn't work.

Jane's power will either work instantaneously on Phoenix or it won't. There's no "Phoenix is so strong she will fight through Jane's psychic pain". At least, that's how Jane has been depicted in both the books and the movies.

Claiming that Phoenix is immune to Jane's pain attacks is about as baseless as me claiming that Bella's shield can withstand a TK attack.

Originally posted by omgchos
But if phoenix is in pain i guarantee that turns into lashing out of the disintegration variety. Even if shes the only one standing after its a victory.

True. Her and Wolverine.

Yea, if DP actually cared about her team it would be different, but...lol