X-men Movie series vs Twilight Movie Series

Originally posted by FrothByte
Prof. X doesn't exactly "poop" on twivamp feats. Prof. X has consistently struggled when confronted with strong willed minds. Jane has never had even the slightest difficulty initiating pain, regardless of will power and other powers of her target. The only exception is Bella, but Jane didn't struggle here either. Her power just didn't work.

Jane's power will either work instantaneously on Phoenix or it won't. There's no "Phoenix is so strong she will fight through Jane's psychic pain". At least, that's how Jane has been depicted in both the books and the movies.

Claiming that Phoenix is immune to Jane's pain attacks is about as baseless as me claiming that Bella's shield can withstand a TK attack.

Seriously? What has Twivamps done that puts them in any close neighboorhood to controlling groups of ppl at once, freezing entire masses of people while maintaining a conversation? The guy nearly ended the mutant/human race while just slightly concentrating on Cerebro.

Phoenix has "showings" of being able to resist mental attacks of Prof X's caliber. Jane can't even penetrate Bella's shield while she was mortal IIRC. Proof thay Phoenix can defend against mental assaults? Check. Proof that Jane's ability can be stopped by mental defenses? Check. Proof that Bella can stop TK? Nadda.

And who (as you claim) exactly has Prof X "consistently" struggled against in the movie (not First Class Prof X, X-Men:Last Stand Prof X who Phoenix dusted)?

No, "feat-to-feat" Last Stand Prof X poops on every single Twivamp "feat" out there and all his efforts got him dusted by Phoenix. I will repeat, unless you present a "feat" even remotely close to what Prof X can do, Phoenix laughs off Jane's best effort and dusts her.

That is assuming she even gets close enough to use her powers.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Seriously? What has Twivamps done that puts them in any close neighboorhood to controlling groups of ppl at once, freezing entire masses of people while maintaining a conversation? The guy nearly ended the mutant/human race while just slightly concentrating on Cerebro.

Phoenix has "showings" of being able to resist mental attacks of Prof X's caliber. Jane can't even penetrate Bella's shield while she was mortal IIRC. Proof thay Phoenix can defend against mental assaults? Check. Proof that Jane's ability can be stopped by mental defenses? Check. Proof that Bella can stop TK? Nadda.

And who (as you claim) exactly has Prof X "consistently" struggled against in the movie (not First Class Prof X, X-Men:Last Stand Prof X who Phoenix dusted)?

No, "feat-to-feat" Last Stand Prof X poops on every single Twivamp "feat" out there and all his efforts got him dusted by Phoenix. I will repeat, unless you present a "feat" even remotely close to what Prof X can do, Phoenix laughs off Jane's best effort and dusts her.

That is assuming she even gets close enough to use her powers.

Just re-watched Last Stand. Prof X. never launched a mental assault on Jean. He tried to talk to her. That's not the same as Jane launching a mental attack on DP. Also, Jean never "brushed off" Prof. X. They spent long minutes locked in a stare down as Jean tried to keep Prof. X out of her head. She's not as strong as you make her seem.

As for Prof. X freezing people in a room, sure none of the twivamps can do that, simply because none of them have that particular power. Much the same way that Prof. X doesn't have the power to see the future. The only telepath in the twivamp side is Edward and his powers are limited to reading minds. No use trying to compare different powers.

On that note, when has prof. X shown the capability to generate instantaneous pain by making his target imagine it? And Charles needed to "concentrate hard" while using cerebro to kill all humans.

So no, DP hasn't shown any defense against a mental assault. She showed defense against a mental conversation.

No twivamp has shown the power to freeze a group of people in their steps, but neither has Prof. X shown the ability to create imagined pain nor the ability to rob people of their senses.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Just re-watched Last Stand. Prof X. never launched a mental assault on Jean. He tried to talk to her. That's not the same as Jane launching a mental attack on DP. Also, Jean never "brushed off" Prof. X. They spent long minutes locked in a stare down as Jean tried to keep Prof. X out of her head. She's not as strong as you make her seem.

Are you seriously saying that Prof X wasn't using his powers on Phoenix? Did I read that right???

The most powerful telepath in the world who can manipulate things at a molecular level just by TK isn't as strong as we make her seem?

................

You might wanna watch Last Stand again.....

Originally posted by FrothByte
As for Prof. X freezing people in a room, sure none of the twivamps can do that, simply because none of them have that particular power. Much the same way that Prof. X doesn't have the power to see the future. The only telepath in the twivamp side is Edward and his powers are limited to reading minds. No use trying to compare different powers.

They don't have different powers, it's both telepathy. Edward just has a very basic version of it.

Originally posted by FrothByte
On that note, when has prof. X shown the capability to generate instantaneous pain by making his target imagine it? And Charles needed to "concentrate hard" while using cerebro to kill all humans.

Instantaneous pain? You mean like at the end of Mutants United when he started focusing on all humans/mutants? Bear in mind Cerebro only increases his range and helps him find targets better.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So no, DP hasn't shown any defense against a mental assault. She showed defense against a mental conversation.

/facepalm

Dude. Not even worth replying to this comment....

Originally posted by FrothByte
No twivamp has shown the power to freeze a group of people in their steps, but neither has Prof. X shown the ability to create imagined pain nor the ability to rob people of their senses.

Wrong. Try again.

Lmao at this attempt to discredit mutants.

Prof X can completely control someone with tp...that alone puts him over Twilight tp.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Juggernaut slams into a group of Twivamps at full speed. Result?

Phoenix solos. Shaw soloes.

If Bella dies, Proff X solos.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Phoenix solos. Shaw soloes.

If Bella dies, Proff X solos.

Shaw can't solo

thread is still going SMDH

Originally posted by juggerman
Shaw can't solo

Why not?

Because one of the vamps could easily pick him up and toss him to Canada. Or just hold him while he kicks and screams like a child. Without some kind of energy to absorb he's useless

Originally posted by juggerman
Because one of the vamps could easily pick him up and toss him to Canada. Or just hold him while he kicks and screams like a child. Without some kind of energy to absorb he's useless

They don't know how his powers work. It wasn't common knowledge even in the movies. And it's very hard to figure out til he tells you about it. They're gonna hit him a few times, by then, it'll be too late.

With Cyclops there, he'll prolly just have Clops blast im for a few seconds anyway.

Edward can read minds remember? He'll know everyone's power and how they work.

Originally posted by juggerman
Edward can read minds remember? He'll know everyone's power and how they work.

He wears a helmet as standard gear remember? Jane, Alec and Edward will be useless against him.

Check and mate.

Shaw proved he could walk through steel girders, he eased his hands through them.

What makes you think the Twivamps can counter his kinetic control whilst he stomps his foot and creates a controlled kinetic fire eruption around his and his allies bodies?

Plus the helmet he wears allows him telepathic immunity.

Originally posted by juggerman
Edward can read minds remember? He'll know everyone's power and how they work.

Also

Originally posted by Nibedicus
He wears a helmet as standard gear remember? Jane, Alec and Edward will be useless against him.

Check and mate.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
He wears a helmet as standard gear remember? Jane, Alec and Edward will be useless against him.

Check and mate.

Nice one 👆

But even if he has it (or Magneto does. Or Both) what's stopping the vamps from running over and taking it off in the blink of an eye? Edward can read the other mutants' minds so he'll know what it is and what it does. Now a vamp has protection against X and Frost.

Originally posted by Mindset
[B]Couldn't he only read surface thoughts. I doubt Shaw is going to be thinking about how his powers work./B]

Yes. But Shaw could be thinking "Hope one of these stupid sparkly bastards punches me in the face. Then i'll absorb that energy and whoop some ass!" Or he could be taking the approach mentioned earlier and think about having his own team pound on him. Either way Ed would catch it

This is getting ridiculous.

Edward gets snapped in half by Shaw.

I think the Mutants can win just not thru Footloose soloing

Maybe not, but your scenarios for Edward finding out about Shaws powers and immediately dispatching him are inane.