Sids, Dooku, Vader vs Malgus, Revan, Bane

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My friend, you have all the charm of a prostate exam. Given that I consider you to be among the worst posters in this forum's long history and certainly the worst of the semi-active remainder, what incentive do I have to debate this issue with you?

I'm merely pointing out the enduring methodological errors in your arguments to better illustrate why my inclination involving your posts is simply to roll my eyes and move on.

You come to this thread with a picture of Revan swinging his lightsaber at random mook's chest and excerpts that Malgus can move faster than a non-Force user, and what? You expect that to constitute evidence of their ability to not get blitzed by someone who laid waste to three of the Order's "most celebrated swordmasters" before Mace Windu "realized what happened" (The Complete Visual Dictionary)? Among them, Saesee Tiin, who is regarded as possessing some of the strongest Force abilities in the order at the time (The Official Fact File #114) and renowned for his telepathic gifts among the Jedi (The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia)? Or Agen Kolar, who held his own against Mace Windu in their sparring matches and curbstomped Quinlan Vos in a manner unlike any but Count Dooku? Or Kit Fisto, who manhandled General Grievous, who holds his own against and/or defeats the likes of Asajj Ventress and Obi-Wan Kenobi, established fighters with a myriad of dueling feats?

I'm not saying Revan couldn't defeat the trio or that Malgus will necessarily be blitzed, I'm saying you haven't provided a single shred of evidence to make me believe otherwise. Revan considering himself the Jedi's champion is ultimately irrelevant: Mace Windu and Obi-Wan regard the trio who died at Sidious's hands as some of the best fighters the Order ever produced.

Essentially, you come before me with pennies and mistake it for a fortune. Try harder. What you're doing isn't analysis, it's bullshit. You make broader leaps more frequently than any Force user we've seen.

SIDIOUS66 can respond if he deigns to. Now that I see Nephthys and Ares' faith in you was entirely mistaken, I can now question their sanity and go back to ignoring you, relishing the fact that, as usual, I was right.

Er......

You really should be ashamed of yourself, bro.

don't hate 😍

Originally posted by The_Tempest
You really should be ashamed of yourself, bro.

In my defense.....

Sidious probably could speedblitz Malgus and Revan.

Originally posted by Nephthys
In my defense.....

Sidious probably could speedblitz Malgus and Revan.

The only one Bane would probably take one-on-one is Dooku. Sidious would wreck him and Vader has a solid 50/50 chance due to superior Force powers.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
You come to this thread with a picture of Revan swinging his lightsaber at random mook's chest and excerpts that Malgus can move faster than a non-Force user, and what? You expect that to constitute evidence of their ability to not get blitzed by someone who laid waste to three of the Order's "most celebrated swordmasters" before Mace Windu "realized what happened" (The Complete Visual Dictionary)? Among them, Saesee Tiin, who is regarded as possessing some of the strongest Force abilities in the order at the time (The Official Fact File #114) and renowned for his telepathic gifts among the Jedi (The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia)? Or Agen Kolar, who held his own against Mace Windu in their sparring matches and curbstomped Quinlan Vos in a manner unlike any but Count Dooku? Or Kit Fisto, who manhandled General Grievous, who holds his own against and/or defeats the likes of Asajj Ventress and Obi-Wan Kenobi, established fighters with a myriad of dueling feats?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
SIDIOUS66 can respond if he deigns to.

There's really no need to anymore.

Nothing he has posted proves Revan or Malgus has the speed to compete with Sidious. Hell, he hasn't even proved that their speed is beyond any of the masters Sidious did blitz. But at least he can't say no one gave him a chance to make his case.

I do want to address this though:

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I just proved that Revan's reaction time is instantaneous. None of the 3 Jedi who got blitzed by Sidious seem to have instantaneous reaction. Reaction time is determined by precognition. The 3 Jedi were skilled swordsmen but none of them seem to possess precognition abilities on the level of Revan (who is particularly noted for having remarkable precognition abilities). This is how they failed to anticipate Sidious' moves against them.

You do realize that in order to deflect blasters bolts, it requires precognition and instant reaction, right? Each of these Jedi can deflect numerous blaster bolts with ease. Not only was Fisto able to react to Grievous's (who has better speed feats than Revan) lightsaber blows, but his own lightsaber strikes were also fast enough to force Grievous on the defensive. So how is it that Revan has greater reaction speed than these three jedi masters? See again, you make another claim about Revan superiority despite him having no superior feats to prove it.

bane has his orbalisk btw

Originally posted by The_Tempest
My friend, you have all the charm of a prostate exam. Given that I consider you to be among the worst posters in this forum's long history and certainly the worst of the semi-active remainder, what incentive do I have to debate this issue with you?

"Someone who makes wisecracks and acts cocky."

Exactly what you are doing.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm merely pointing out the enduring methodological errors in your arguments to better illustrate why my inclination involving your posts is simply to roll my eyes and move on.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
You come to this thread with a picture of Revan swinging his lightsaber at random mook's chest and excerpts that Malgus can move faster than a non-Force user, and what?

Do you realize that what that image is indicating? It is indicating Revan's reaction time and speed. Try to look beyond the mirror.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
You expect that to constitute evidence of their ability to not get blitzed by someone who laid waste to three of the Order's "most celebrated swordmasters" before Mace Windu "realized what happened" (The Complete Visual Dictionary)? Among them, Saesee Tiin, who is regarded as possessing some of the strongest Force abilities in the order at the time (The Official Fact File #114) and renowned for his telepathic gifts among the Jedi (The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia)? Or Agen Kolar, who held his own against Mace Windu in their sparring matches and curbstomped Quinlan Vos in a manner unlike any but Count Dooku? Or Kit Fisto, who manhandled General Grievous, who holds his own against and/or defeats the likes of Asajj Ventress and Obi-Wan Kenobi, established fighters with a myriad of dueling feats?

They failed against Sidious because their precognition abilities were not up to standards of Sidious, Yoda and Dooku.

An individual can be a celebrated swordmaster even without precognition. However, Force-wielders are gifted with this ability.

Now you want me to explain what precognition means?

I have clearly provided examples of Revan's precognitive abilities in action but your dumb brain failed to comprehend what I just presented. And you dare taunt me about being the worst debater in KMC.

Still, the slight stumble gave Revan enough time to draw his lightsaber and go on the offensive. He came in with a high, overhand chop—an obvious feint meant to draw the defenses of his opponent upward, leaving his legs exposed to a quick follow-up strike.

The guard recognized the familiar ploy, countering it by parrying the overhand chop then quickly dropping his blade low to intercept the inevitable slash at his legs.Only Revan didn't go for his legs. Anticipating that his opponent’s defenses would go low, he kept his blade up high, allowing him to end the battle with a horizontal cut across the man’s suddenly exposed throat.

What does this information is telling you?

It clearly indicates Revan's precognition abilities in action. Revan cut down an Imperial Guard in few steps; read about Empire Imperial Guard here: http://www.swtor-spy.com/codex/the-imperial-guard/1134/

These guys were (not surprisingly) giving tough time to Meetra Surik and Scourge; both of whom were exceptional in lightsaber combat arts as well. Their are lot of hints about Scourge's proficiency in lightsaber combat arts in the Revan Novel specially. According to SWTOR codex entry; Scourge alone have killed hundreds of Force-wielders.

And yet, Revan cut down an Imperial Guard in few steps; a game that ended in seconds.

Apart from this Revan have fought through whole armies and even singlehandedly dealt with gigantic droids and vice versa. Try to comprehend his precognitive abilities which even Echani admired.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm not saying Revan couldn't defeat the trio or that Malgus will necessarily be blitzed, I'm saying you haven't provided a single shred of evidence to make me believe otherwise. Revan considering himself the Jedi's champion is ultimately irrelevant: Mace Windu and Obi-Wan regard the trio who died at Sidious's hands as some of the best fighters the Order ever produced.

Just because Sidious managed to blitz those 3 Jedi Masters; doesn't proves that he will be able to blitz the likes of Revan and Malgus. Both of these characters have far bigger accomplishments to their name then those 3 Jedi Masters that you cited.

It is better for you to exercise ambiquity in this case if you cannot find satisfactory answers instead of assuming that since Sidious blitzed those 3 Jedi Masters; Revan and Malgus fall in the same category.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Essentially, you come before me with pennies and mistake it for a fortune. Try harder. What you're doing isn't analysis, it's bullshit. You make broader leaps more frequently than any Force user we've seen.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
SIDIOUS66 can respond if he deigns to. Now that I see Nephthys and Ares' faith in you was entirely mistaken, I can now question their sanity and go back to ignoring you, relishing the fact that, as usual, I was right.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And yet, Revan cut down an Imperial Guard in few steps; a game that ended in seconds.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Apart from this Revan have fought through whole armies and even singlehandedly dealt with gigantic droids and vice versa. Try to comprehend his precognitive abilities which even Echani admired.

Sidious solos, really.
Revan and Malgus are clearly fodder and Sidious can outpace Saesee Tiin, one of the order's most capable precogs and telepaths, with ease. Comparatively, neither Revan or Malgus have the feats to suggest they could compare with Tiin, let alone Sidious.

Bane, the only reasonably capable warrior on team 2, would last a few seconds longer.

But it's pretty evident that this is a spite match-up. I say drop the literal dead weight (Malgus and Revan) and throw Vader and Dooku on Bane's side.

Vader, Dooku, and Bane vs Sidious huh? Wow.....Sidious would Blitz Dooku and Vader and again, it would be Bane vs Sidious....

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Sidious solos, really.
Revan and Malgus are clearly fodder and Sidious can outpace Saesee Tiin, one of the order's most capable precogs and telepaths, with ease. Comparatively, neither Revan or Malgus have the feats to suggest they could compare with Tiin, let alone Sidious.

Bane, the only reasonably capable warrior on team 2, would last a few seconds longer.

But it's pretty evident that this is a spite match-up. I say drop the literal dead weight (Malgus and Revan) and throw Vader and Dooku on Bane's side.

Revan's reaction time is instantaneous. By all accounts, Revan is extraordinarily fast.

So is TPM!Obi-Wan.

[quote]Cloak of Deception
The pair swung to the sound, with weapons raised.

And in that instant, Obi-Wan disappeared in a blur, headed for Cohls pod.

^ This is Obi-Wan Kenobi shortly before the events of TPM, who is also reacting "instantaneously." Of course he's moving his entire body, whereas Revan is making adjustments with his limbs.[/quote]

Originally posted by The_Tempest
So is TPM!Obi-Wan.

^ This is Obi-Wan Kenobi shortly before the events of TPM, who is also reacting "instantaneously." Of course he's moving his entire body, whereas Revan is making adjustments with his limbs.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You called him the most retarded poster in SWVF history. Worse than Darth Ray Park?! You jammy ****er, how is that not a meany thing to say?!!!!!!!!

**** you

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I don't feel the need to prove anything to you when all you can do is pretend to be smart ass and ignore any explanations that may help us move forward in a debate. Good luck with your PT/OT worshipping.

Their faith in OT/PT worshippers like you is also misplaced.

"Revan is FASTER tahn te dudes u mentioned!1!"

*picks up a revan book with a quote stating he moved fast*

and then you go, "SEE? the quote stated hes FAST and UNPREDICTABLE, therefore he is ubar!!!!!" and you form your entire argument on one single quote.

That and you ignore any sources that show characters you hate which perform vastly superior feats than the ones you keep stroking your mushroom tip to((most notably revan and tor characters).

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Frankly speaking you are the worst debater in KMC. I mean its true, for example if you want to prove that revan is fast, you basically argue like this :

"Revan is FASTER tahn te dudes u mentioned!1!"

Revan outsmarted a foe in just a couple of steps who was formidable enough to go toe-to-toe with EXPERT swordsmen in combat. This is more then enough evidence of Revan's exceptional precognitive abilities.

Heck, Revan's reaction rate is instantaneous, as per revelation in his novel.

You guys are feeling insecure and nothing else.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
*picks up a revan book with a quote stating he moved fast*

Originally posted by shinkoryu
and then you go, "SEE? the quote stated hes FAST and UNPREDICTABLE, therefore he is ubar!!!!!" and you form your entire argument on one single quote.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
That and you ignore any sources that show characters you hate which perform vastly superior feats than the ones you keep stroking your mushroom tip to((most notably revan and tor characters).

Every Jedi can have some sort of speciality. For example; Bastilla Shan had Battle Meditation. However, these specialities do not suggest that all are equal in combat. Revan wasn't ordinary Jedi and by all accounts; his command of the Force was extraordinary even by Jedi standards as affirmed by the perceptions of other Force-wielders about him and how he handled extraordinary foes such as Darth Nyriss in combat.

You just need to understand the big picture here. Of-course, Revan isn't explored in every context of Star Wars writing.