Ultimate Wizard Battle

Originally posted by dadudemon
I was strongly hoping you would bring that scene up because it gives me a chance to show you that you've been wrong this whole time (it was the scene, in mind, that I had that occurs in both the movies and the books that makes me think what I do about Voldy):

"I knew you'd come one day. But surely you must know I no longer have what you seek."

Implies quite a lot.

Implies:

1. He knew Voldemort would want the wand.
2. He knew that Voledmort knew he did not have the wand.

For me, that scene implies that Voldemort was just confirming what he already knew and he was angry with the answer: just observe what happens after he was told. He gets a nasty look on his face and quickly blasts out of the room. He mad. He real mad. In the book, it speaks more directly to Voldemort's frustration with Grindelwald's answer. Now why would he be mad about the answer?

🙂

Voldemort's dialogue with Grindelwald is illustrative of one of those anti-climatic moments when a guy goes on a grand search for a special thing, and when he reaches his destination, he finds out that the special thing has been laying right under his nose all along. There's nothing more to it.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I was strongly hoping you would bring that scene up because it gives me a chance to show you that you've been wrong this whole time (it was the scene, in mind, that I had that occurs in both the movies and the books that makes me think what I do about Voldy):

"I knew you'd come one day. But surely you must know I no longer have what you seek."

Implies quite a lot.

Implies:

1. He knew Voldemort would want the wand.
2. He knew that Voledmort knew he did not have the wand.

Not really. Of course Grindelwald would not have the wand at the time... You wouldn't lock a wizard up with a wand.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Correct me if I am wrong (I have much love for you, so don't take this the wrong way), but it appears you do not remember the fight in the books, very well. Had it not been Fawkes, Dumbledore would have died: Fawkes jumped in the way of Voldemort's killing curse towards the end of their duel to save Dumbledore.

Where do you come to the conclusion he would have died? He already "blocked" and dodged several curses so far.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Strawman: not once did I say you claimed that Voldemort did not know about the Elderwand. I have said that Voldemort most likely knew Dumbledore had it and knew of the Elderwand but did not have all the information regarding the Elderwand (ergo, the events that we exlore in book/movie 7). You can pick and choose what applies to you.

You were arguing against a point I did not make. I corrected you. That's not a strawman on my part.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's not how it works. 🙂

That's exactly how it works. You provide support for your own arguments.

Originally posted by ares834
Not really. Of course Grindelwald would not have the wand at the time... You wouldn't lock a wizard up with a wand.

Then why would he say it? 🙂

Originally posted by ares834
Where do you come to the conclusion he would have died? He already "blocked" and dodged several curses so far.

Please tell me why he would not have died? 😄

Are you aware of the circumstances that explain why Fawkes jumped in the path of the killing curse? If you were, then you would not be asking me that question.

Originally posted by ares834
You were arguing against a point I did not make. I corrected you. That's not a strawman on my part.

I did not. 🙂 Please read what I said, again:

"Strawman: not once did I say you claimed that Voldemort did not know about the Elderwand. I have said that Voldemort most likely knew Dumbledore had it and knew of the Elderwand but did not have all the information regarding the Elderwand (ergo, the events that we exlore in book/movie 7). You can pick and choose what applies to you."

Originally posted by ares834
That's exactly how it works. You provide support for your arguments.

Nope. Not going to do it. You (ambiguous "you", not ares834, "you"😉 dismissing it does not make it any less true. That's just you (again, ambiguous "you"😉 being stubborn and wallowing in ignorance. That's what many internet arguers, that demand proof of something they could easily know with less than 5 minutes of work, are actually doing.

I would understand if it was some obscure quote of Rowling at a small convention that only 12 people know about, but this isn't. 😉

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Riiight.....because Voldemort getting mad at Grindelwald's revelation surely doesn't mean that he was frustrated that his entire quest had been for naught, when the object he so desperately sought lay right within his grasp all this while.

The reply to that is this:

"I was strongly hoping you would bring that scene up because it gives me a chance to show you that you've been wrong this whole time (it was the scene, in mind, that I had that occurs in both the movies and the books that makes me think what I do about Voldy):

"I knew you'd come one day. But surely you must know I no longer have what you seek."

Implies quite a lot.

Implies:

1. He knew Voldemort would want the wand.
2. He knew that Voledmort knew he did not have the wand.

For me, that scene implies that Voldemort was just confirming what he already knew and he was angry with the answer: just observe what happens after he was told. He gets a nasty look on his face and quickly blasts out of the room. He mad. He real mad. In the book, it speaks more directly to Voldemort's frustration with Grindelwald's answer. Now why would he be mad about the answer? "

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Voldemort's dialogue with Grindelwald is illustrative of one of those anti-climatic moments when a guy goes on a grand search for a special thing, and when he reaches his destination, he finds out that the special thing has been laying right under his nose all along. There's nothing more to it.

No, this:

'I knew you'd come one day. But surely you must know I no longer have what you seek."

Implies quite a lot.

Implies:

1. He knew Voldemort would want the wand.
2. He knew that Voledmort knew he did not have the wand."

"He gets a nasty look on his face and quickly blasts out of the room. He mad. He real mad. In the book, it speaks more directly to Voldemort's frustration with Grindelwald's answer. Now why would he be mad about the answer?"

Even better: everyone knows of Dumbledore's famous victory over Grendelwald. 😉 Game, set, and match, good sir! I say to you, good day! 😄

Originally posted by dadudemon
Then why would he say it? 🙂

Say what?

"I knew you'd come one day. But surely you must know I no longer have what you seek."

This?

Because Grindelwald realizes that Voldemort is smart enough to know Grindelwald no longer has it. It wouldn't take a genius to realize that a wizard locked up in prison no longer has a wand.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Please tell me why he would not have died? 😄

Are you aware of the circumstances that explain why Fawkes jumped in the path of the killing curse? If you were, then you would not be asking me that question.

Apparation. It would get him out of the way of both snake and curse.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I did not. 🙂 Please read what I said, again:

"Strawman: not once did I say you claimed that Voldemort did not know about the Elderwand. I have said that Voldemort most likely knew Dumbledore had it and knew of the Elderwand but did not have all the information regarding the Elderwand (ergo, the events that we exlore in book/movie 7). You can pick and choose what applies to you."

So then why were you arguing against the notion that Voldemort did not know of the Elder Wand?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Nope. Not going to do it. You (ambiguous "you", not ares834, "you"😉 dismissing it does not make it any less true. That's just you (again, ambiguous "you"😉 being stubborn and wallowing in ignorance. That's what many internet arguers, that demand proof of something they could easily know with less than 5 minutes of work, are actually doing.

I would understand if it was some obscure quote of Rowling at a small convention that only 12 people know about, but this isn't.

So this super potent quote doesn't exist. Cool.

Originally posted by ares834
Say what?

"I knew you'd come one day. But surely you must know I no longer have what you seek."

This?

Because Grindelwald realizes that Voldemort is smart enough to know Grindelwald no longer has it. It wouldn't take a genius to realize that a wizard locked up in prison no longer has a wand.

You didn't actually answer the question. Why would Grendelwald point out something that the audience and Voldemort both already know? And why would Voldemort be enraged at the answer (he was so enraged that he killed ol' Grendy in the books)? It's quite simple: Voldemort knew the answer and Grendelwald knew Voldemort knew the answer. He took pleasure in telling that to Voldemort, as well. Else he laugh about it? :"D

Originally posted by ares834
Apparation. It would get him out of the way of both snake and curse.

And yet, it didn't work and doesn't work everytime. Fact is, you injecting apparation into the equation changes nothing and you're also missing a massive point. Go back and read the fight in the books: you'll see why Dumbledore's life was saved by Fawkes.

Originally posted by ares834
So then why were you arguing against the notion that Voldemort did not know of the Elder Wand?

Show me where I was arguing against that notion and then show me where I said you said that.

Can you just admit that you jumped the gun? It would make this easier.

Originally posted by ares834
So this super potent quote doesn't exist. Cool.

So this portion of the argument is done with you not really interested in the answer? Cool.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You didn't actually answer the question. Why would Grendelwald point out something that the audience and Voldemort both already know? And why would Voldemort be enraged at the answer (he was so enraged that he killed ol' Grendy in the books)? It's quite simple: Voldemort knew the answer and Grendelwald knew Voldemort knew the answer. He took pleasure in telling that to Voldemort, as well. Else he laugh about it? :"D

In the books he is pissed because Grindelwald tells him nothing and because the Malfoys are summoning him.

In the movies, perhaps because he has been running all over the world for this wand and it was in Hogwarts this entire time. Not sure why he would be angry with you theory however.

Regardless, I did find some more proof.

YouTube video

"Who was he? The thief?"

Originally posted by dadudemon
And yet, it didn't work and doesn't work everytime. Fact is, you injecting apparation into the equation changes nothing and you're also missing a massive point. Go back and read the fight in the books: you'll see why Dumbledore's life was saved by Fawkes.

I don't have the books right now so would you mind telling me this "massive point"?

I know Voldemort cast the spell to coincide with the "snake's" attack but I fail to see how apparting would not save him this time like it had before.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Show me where I was arguing against that notion and then show me where I said you said that.

First, I never claimed that you said I said that.
As for where you argued against it:

"So let me get this straight: Voldemort, who is the most knowledgeable of all Wizards, did not know about the Elder Wand, at all, until book 6 or 7? Makes perfect sense.

I will say that the extent of what the Elderwand was capable of is not known until Voldy tortures it out of him, but to say Voldemort did not know of the wand is a bit stupid."

You were arguing against a distorted point of mine. That's a strawman.

Originally posted by dadudemon
So this portion of the argument is done with you not really interested in the answer? Cool.

I'd certainly be interested in it if it existed. But, quite clearly, it does not.

Originally posted by ares834
YouTube video

"Who was he? The thief?"

This argument was beginning to be fun until it became evident that dadudemon is trolling.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
And here I thought you couldn't possibly get any madder. I think i have incited quanrage. Oooh....I am trembling with fear.....not.

So, no real evidence to back up your claim? Apparition is not the same as flying, even though the cinematic effect achieved appears similar. The Death Eaters and the Order members could both trun into clouds of balck and white smoke, giving the impression of flight, while what they're actually doing is apparating. When will you learn? [/B]

Don't take this the wrong way, but I am not going to spoon-feed you feats. If you're ignorant on the characters you're debating about, then don't debate at all. Simple. [/B]

What proof do you have that he can't overpower it? Especially since a wand has been broken during a combat situation before, Harry's own wand got destroyed during Malfoy Manor, Harry himself EASILY broke apart the most powerful wand in existence.
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Dumbledore never went for that move, so it automatically means that he couldn't do it. You st I guess by that token Dumbledore can't AK anybody because he was never shown using that strategy either. Your logic is horrendous. You keep missing the point that wizards in HP never went for such a tactic while in duels, but that hardly means that they would be incapable of such a strategy. Different wizards relied on different tactics in a fight, and ususally fought each other by casting spells at each other because that's the way wizards duel. Breaking another's wand is by definition an unorthodox move and would have been supremely anti-climatic, which is why I am willing to wager it was never utilized in the series. Get this point across that thick skull of yours. [/B]

Irony overload. [/B]

One poster. On one wholly irrelevant point, and the other is a very minor part of the HPverse wizard's standard capabilities. Going by this line of logic, I get Robtard's vote while you do DDM's. Stalemate is the best you can hope against me.

I never knew you ate your own poop. Meal of trolls. [/B]

The Harry Potter wiki and common sense. Oh and the fact the deatheaters use the same smoke Snape and Voldemort employ.

Originally posted by ares834
In the books he is pissed because Grindelwald tells him nothing and because the Malfoys are summoning him.

In the movies, perhaps because he has been running all over the world for this wand and it was in Hogwarts this entire time. Not sure why he would be angry with you theory however.

Regardless, I did find some more proof.

YouTube video

"Who was he? The thief?"

You found no proof at all to support your position: only mine. It is at this point that Voldemort would have ran straight to Hogwarts to get the wand and here's why:

1. He knows how to take ownership of the wand, now.
2. He was just told all the juicy details by the scared shitless wand maker.

So why would he go to Grindelwald? Your explanation makes no sense. My reason is why: he didn't want to face the reality of the situation and was clinging to a hope that he didn't have to go to Hogwarts. This is also why he was enraged at Grendelwald's answer as he was holding out in the hopes it wasn't there.

Edit - Also, I read no evidence in the books that Grendelwald told Voldemort nothing. Seriously. There's nothing in there that implies Grendelwald said nothing. If what you say is true, that supports my argument even more: Voldemort already knew who the owner was.

Originally posted by ares834
I don't have the books right now so would you mind telling me this "massive point"?

Nope.

Originally posted by ares834
I know Voldemort cast the spell to coincide with the "snake's" attack but I fail to see how apparting would not save him this time like it had before.

So why did Fawke's jump in the way? Why did Voldemort even cast the spell? Why did Dumbledore even cast spells at Voldemort and why did Voldemort put up a shield?

It is quite simple: duels do not work they way you want them to work. Apparating away everytime is just not a solution for some unknown reason.

But, yes, you found the answer. I could lie and say that if Dumbledore apparated away, the snake would kill Harry. So he had to stop both to save Harry and Fawkes realized this. However, I just don't think that was the reason.

Originally posted by ares834
First, I never claimed that you said I said that.

False, you claimed my point was a strawman. In order for it to be a strawman, I had to claim that. I didn't. You fail.

Originally posted by ares834
As for where you argued against it:

"So let me get this straight: Voldemort, who is the most knowledgeable of all Wizards, did not know about the Elder Wand, at all, until book 6 or 7? Makes perfect sense.

I will say that the extent of what the Elderwand was capable of is not known until Voldy tortures it out of him, but to say Voldemort did not know of the wand is a bit stupid."

You were arguing against a distorted point of mine. That's a strawman.

Incorrect. I just made a point. I was not arguing against a point you had made. Nor did I say you said that. I was simply making a point about Voldemort's knowledge because I wanted to preempt that argument before it got to that point. I was the one that stated Grendelwald was killed in the books, not you: so it should be obvious that I am very much aware of the events surrounding the Elder Wand and Voldemort. I also stated that I was hoping you would bring up Voldemort's and Grendelwald's conversation from the books so you could prove me right and you wrong. So don't pretend my words were a distrotion of your arguments when it wasn't even a reply to your argument: just tangentially related.

It's your fault for internalizing that section as an attack, not mine for making the point. Had I wanted to strawman your point, I would have done it and you would not have realized it.

Originally posted by ares834
I'd certainly be interested in it if it existed. But, quite clearly, it does not.

Too bad: I just read it, again, for funzies. Most likely, you did find the second and third portion, have arguments against those, and are just waiting for me to make those points.

Nope, not going to do it. 🙂 You do it. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
Incorrect: Albus himself said that Voldemort knew more and was more talented when it came to wizarding.

The reason Voldemort feared Albus was due to Albus' possessed the Elderwand which Voldemort thought was unbeatable. That didn't stop him from engaging Albus in a duel, however. 😄

You should admit fault to quanchi: it is the only respectful thing to do. It would also show that you are not so prideful as to admit you were wrong: something lacking in these parts.

Sorry, that's just not correct. Dumbledore was the most powerful wizard in HP up until his chosen death.

Now you can argue that the margin of superiority was slim, sure.

Nice trollbait and you know I admit I'm wrong when I am.

Originally posted by Robtard
Sorry, that's just not correct. Dumbledore was the most powerful wizard in HP up until his chosen death.

Now you can argue that the margin of superiority was slim, sure.

Nice trollbait and you know I admit I'm wrong when I am.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wrong. We see in the movies when they match up that Voldemort is clearly more powerful in direct comparison. We also see his has superior feats. What makes you think Dumbledore is more powerful ?

How dare you only respond to Robtard and not argue against the others arguing against me. 😠

Originally posted by dadudemon
How dare you only respond to Robtard and not argue against the others arguing against me. 😠

Originally posted by Robtard
Sorry, that's just not correct. Dumbledore was the most powerful wizard in HP up until his chosen death.

Now you can argue that the margin of superiority was slim, sure.

Nice trollbait and you know I admit I'm wrong when I am.

Dumbledore disagrees with you, good sir. I would agree that it is open to argument and Dumbledore really was trying to be modest...but he was having a sincere heart-to-heart during one of his statements of Voldemort's superiority (and not the one he had with McGonagill).

It wasn't not trollbait: I wanted someone to admit to being wrong in this thread because everyone has too huge of an ego. I conceded a point to ares, already. Everyone should follow-suit. These threads would not last nearly as long if people did that more often.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You found no proof at all to support your position: only mine. It is at this point that Voldemort would have ran straight to Hogwarts to get the wand and here's why:

1. He knows how to take ownership of the wand, now.
2. He was just told all the juicy details by the scared shitless wand maker.

So why would he go to Grindelwald? Your explanation makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense. He want's to ask Grindelwald who took the wand. He even asks him, "Who possesses it."

Originally posted by dadudemon
My reason is why: he didn't want to face the reality of the situation and was clinging to a hope that he didn't have to go to Hogwarts. This is also why he was enraged at Grendelwald's answer as he was holding out in the hopes it wasn't there.

Why would he not want to go to Hogwarts? He loves Hogwarts, plus at this time it is under control of his Death Eaters.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Edit - Also, I read no evidence in the books that Grendelwald told Voldemort nothing. Seriously. There's nothing in there that implies Grendelwald said nothing. If what you say is true, that supports my argument even more: Voldemort already knew who the owner was.

Figure of speech. He does talk, but all we see him do is taunt Voldemort. Grindelwald even claims he never had it.

Anyway, TheGodKiller already showed why we can tell Voldemort did not know who had the wand in the books.

Originally posted by dadudemon
So why did Fawke's jump in the way? Why did Voldemort even cast the spell? Why did Dumbledore even cast spells at Voldemort and why did Voldemort put up a shield?

Perhaps it was easier.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It is quite simple: duels do not work they way you want them to work. Apparating away everytime is just not a solution for some unknown reason.

Quite right. However, Dumbledore had quite a bit of time in this case as Harry was able to shout "look out" (or something similar) in the time between the two attacks and Dumbledore's defense. That should be plenty of time for Dumbledore to apparate away.

Originally posted by ares834
It makes perfect sense. He want's to ask Grindelwald who took the wand. He even asks him, "Who possesses it."

That is quite irrelevant to the section of the post you quoted. haha

But if you want to make that point, I would refer you to this:

"I knew you'd come one day. But surely you must know I no longer have what you seek."

Implies quite a lot.

Implies:

1. He knew Voldemort would want the wand.
2. He knew that Voledmort knew he did not have the wand.

For me, that scene implies that Voldemort was just confirming what he already knew and he was angry with the answer: just observe what happens after he was told. He gets a nasty look on his face and quickly blasts out of the room. He mad. He real mad. In the book, it speaks more directly to Voldemort's frustration with Grindelwald's answer. Now why would he be mad about the answer? "

Originally posted by ares834
Why would he not want to go to Hogwarts? He loves Hogwarts, plus at this time it is under control of his Death Eaters.

It was? I thought that was a secret that he took over and it was the ministry of magic that had it under control (at that point in the film).

Also, if he could get in, why the barrier? Lastly, why was the tomb not behind the barrier? Holy shit, dude...like...I have so many legit questions that makes it confusing as to why Voldemort did not just go straight to Dumbeldore's tomb.

Why did he not go straight to Dumbledore's tomb before confronting Gregorovitch (we can say that he did not know about the wand and if he did, he did not know if it was even worth seeking...he only needed a wand to defeat Harry. However, that does not explain everything. We can also say that Voldemort knew that such artifcats would have special requirements or abilities that needed to be known before he idiotically sought after them...that seems more likely the explanation)? Why did he not go straight to Dumbledore after talking to Gregorovitch (this is where the true fail begins, imo)?

Originally posted by ares834
Figure of speech. He does talk, but all we see him do is taunt Voldemort. Grindelwald even claims he never had it.

Oh! So your story changes? Cool! 😄

But, you can't have your cake and eat it, too. Either he said nothing or he said stuff. Both scenarios support my position about Voldy knowing where it was before talking to Mr. Taint. 😄

Originally posted by ares834
Anyway, TheGodKiller already showed why we can tell Voldemort did not know who had the wand in the books.

Ignored. He's mostly a harmless troll. You're the only one important. 😉

Originally posted by ares834
Perhaps it was easier.

Or perhaps...and this is the most likely reason..........

Rowling wrote in some serious CIS and it caused PIS. 😐

That's the real reason. 😐

Originally posted by ares834
Quite right. However, Dumbledore had quite a bit of time in this case as Harry was able to shout "look out" (or something similar) in the time between the two attacks and Dumbledore's defense. That should be plenty of time for Dumbledore to apparate away.

Maybe...maybe....but there could be something else at play and it would explain a LOT about duels in the books and movies. If everyone had to just apparate away to avoid getting hit, why does anyone get hit about half the time (surprise hits work but face to face hits shouldn't happen)? I don't think Dumbledore had enough time, either, as it reads in the books. Also, I highly doubt Dumbledore needed any shout-help from Harry.

But if that is the case, it shows, yet again, why Dumbledore was outmatched in that duel. awesome He needed Harry's help.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It was? I thought that was a secret that he took over and it was the ministry of magic that had it under control (at that point in the film).

Yes. Snape is headmaster at the time. Furthermore, we see Death Eaters stop the Hogwarts express.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Also, if he could get in, why the barrier? Lastly, why was the tomb not behind the barrier? Holy shit, dude...like...I have so many legit questions that makes it confusing as to why Voldemort did not just go straight to Dumbeldore's tomb.

What barrier? You mean the one that the wizards erect in the 8th movies after kicking out Snape and the Death Eaters?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Why did he not go straight to Dumbledore's tomb before confronting Gregorovitch (we can say that he did not know about the wand and if he did, he did not know if it was even worth seeking...he only needed a wand to defeat Harry. However, that does not explain everything. We can also say that Voldemort knew that such artifcats would have special requirements or abilities that needed to be known before he idiotically sought after them...that seems more likely the explanation)? Why did he not go straight to Dumbledore after talking to Gregorovitch (this is where the true fail begins, imo)?

The most obvious reason is because he doesn't realize Dumbledore has the wand. It's been awhile since I watched the movies, but in the books Voldemort does not know who the thief is initially. It is only when he sees a book in Godrick's Hollow that he realizes it is Grindelwald. As for information, not once (at least as far as I recall) in the movies do we see him asking about the power of the Elder Wand. He only asks where it is and who has it.

Originally posted by dadudemon
But, you can't have your cake and eat it, too. Either he said nothing or he said stuff. Both scenarios support my position about Voldy knowing where it was before talking to Mr. Taint. 😄

Please. He says nothing about the location of the Wand, he merely taunts Voldemort. Afterwards, Voldemort manages to deduce Dumbledore has it. Hell, even Harry at this point was able to.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Maybe...maybe....but there could be something else at play and it would explain a LOT about duels in the books and movies. If everyone had to just apparate away to avoid getting hit, why does anyone get hit about half the time (surprise hits work but face to face hits shouldn't happen)? I don't think Dumbledore had enough time, either, as it reads in the books. Also, I highly doubt Dumbledore needed any shout-help from Harry.

But if that is the case, it shows, yet again, why Dumbledore was outmatched in that duel. awesome He needed Harry's help.

The reason wizards aren't always apparting is it takes time and skill. In fact, the only time I recall any doing it while dueling are Voldemort and Dumbledore. And no, I'm doubtful Dumbledore needed Harry's shout for help, rather that shout suggests there is time enough for Dumbledore to have apparated out of the way.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am currently raping godkiller but ares is a known coward. I challenged him to a battlezone and he crawled away. He's a little boy. 2 out of 3 ain't bad. Trust me ares will go into hiding soon.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't go hunting and living off of every word you say. You however already proved you make cliffnotes of my posts. I clarified my point on the same page further demonstrating your own stupidity. Thanks for the laughs.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Apparition is instant travel to one location. I posted word for word from the harry potter wiki entry. Apparition is to a single location. The films make this clear. We see Voldemort and Snape fly with smoke all around them as well making it no different than the other death eaters. That's the funniest part of this is it looks exactly the same but you want to cite the book here. I think by now you know you are clearly wrong but the butthurt is strong in you. Apparition is used by Voldemort when he goes after Harry. Flight is used when he and Harry fall from Hogwarts. It's clearly different. Apparition isn't used to mini teleport right in front of you thousands of times to get to a location as you have been implying that's flight. But either way Snape and Voldemort both have are flying in a dark smoke as well in the movies, idiot.

Originally posted by quanchi112

I asked for examples. You made a claim and cannot even list a few feats. The reason I am asking is I really want to know what impressed you about these mages. It's funny to me you favor their abilities over the Hp mages. It's not even close.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Don't take this the wrong way, but I am not going to spoon-feed you feats. If you're ignorant on the characters you're debating about, then don't debate at all. Simple.

Originally posted by quanchi112

The context for the reason the wand was broken in combat doesn't apply here. I already told you this, idiot. Harry easily destroyed a wand he was the master of. Yes, it's his wand. The wand won't resist him, idiot. My claim is someone wielding the one in combat not someone deciding hey I am going to smash my own wand. Dumbledore is easily more powerful than Harry but he couldn't destroy Voldemort's wand while directly opposing him in combat. So why was Harry able to ? Their connection you idiot.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Never went for what move ? What the hell are you talking about ? Do you speak english, boy ? It's out of character for him to do so. He probably can but he won't. We argue what's in character, idiot. Wrong. Harry's connection made it possible. Voldemort explains this shit and borrows someone else's wand. When this doesn't work he goes after the most powerful wand ever. It's like saying the ak won't work because Harry survives, idiot. You are shockingly stupid.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Has anyone ever laughed at a joke of yours ? That's rhetorical we both know the answer to that. Try to keep a shred of dignity.
Robtard hasn't weighed in on apparition vs. flying. Are you stupid ? Again rhetorical. Robtard chimes in to downplay the h pwizards because he doesn't like them and chooses who wins by what his vagina tells him.

Originally posted by quanchi112

The Harry Potter wiki and common sense. Oh and the fact the deatheaters use the same smoke Snape and Voldemort employ.