HP Doomsday vs Destroyer

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Originally posted by -Pr-
I know how the Destroyer works. I don't agree with how you're saying it was portrayed in relation to Odin, that's all.

The power could easily be an artist's way of displaying that Odin is controlling it.

Yes I know. But again the power to control is coming from Odin's body and not Destroyer's body. He's not fully transferred into the Destroyer before the summon.

If Odin summons Mjolnir from INSIDE of Destroyer's body then you would never see power coming from Odin's body after it left Thor's hand.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes I know. But again the power to control is coming from Odin's body and not Destroyer's body. He's not fully transferred into the Destroyer before the summon.

If Odin summons Mjolnir from INSIDE of Destroyer's body then you would never see power coming from Odin's body after it left Thor's hand.

This is all speculation on your part.

Originally posted by Silent Master
This is all speculation on your part.

How so? Do you not see power coming from Odin's body after the hammer left Thor's hand? If so then what does that mean?

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes I know. But again the power to control is coming from Odin's body and not Destroyer's body. He's not fully transferred into the Destroyer before the summon.

If Odin summons Mjolnir from INSIDE of Destroyer's body then you would never see power coming from Odin's body after it left Thor's hand.

It's debatable tbh.

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At this point, what I'm going to say is this:

It hasn't been definitively proven that the user can summon Mjolnir while animating the Destroyer (even though I think he can). This is of course open to change if anyone can produce a scan more definitive.

That said, the Destroyer wielding Mjolnir does get an amp due to the hammer itself, and would have access to all of the hammer's abilities (though recall after throwing it is where it gets sketchy).

Can we move on to the fight at hand, please?

Ok fair enough

1. HP DD has tanked the OE (or OB) which at half power vaporized missiles that Superman, with all his might, couldn't put a scratch on.
This means Destroyer is not one shotting DD with any blasts.

2. HP DD was shown time and time again to evolve resistance and heal instantly against anything getting the best of him. That means he will continue to get more durable/resistant as the fight goes on, making it harder for the Destroyer to put him down.

3. Superman has many many great feats of durability as well as Mjolnir. Feats suggest that Superman's durability isn't too far off from Mjolnir itself. HP DD was shown to easily penetrate Superman's body as easy as liquid. This suggests that HP DD is more than capable of damaging the Destroyer's armor.

In conclusion, since HP DD gets more durable as the fight goes on while retaining the ability to damage Destroyer (and possibly getting stronger as well) then it's totally possible for HP DD to win some of these fights. That's my argument, in a nutshell.

I hope you're not equating the Superman from say, OWAW, with the Superman that fought Hunter Prey.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It's debatable tbh.

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At this point, what I'm going to say is this:

It hasn't been definitively proven that the user can summon Mjolnir while animating the Destroyer (even though I think he can). This is of course open to change if anyone can produce a scan more definitive.

That said, the Destroyer wielding Mjolnir does get an amp due to the hammer itself, and would have access to all of the hammer's abilities (though recall after throwing it is where it gets sketchy).

Can we move on to the fight at hand, please?

Odin summoned Mjolnir forcibly while animating the Destroyer whhile he was confronting Galactus in Fraction's Thor.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I hope you're not equating the Superman from say, OWAW, with the Superman that fought Hunter Prey.

Nope, not at all.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Odin summoned Mjolnir forcibly while animating the Destroyer whhile he was confronting Galactus in Fraction's Thor.

The power was coming from Odin's body to do this and not from inside of Destroyer. But we are past that. I generated an argument of why I think DD can win. Just debate against the argument if you disagree.

Originally posted by h1a8
Ok fair enough

1. HP DD has tanked the OE (or OB) which at half power vaporized missiles that Superman, with all his might, couldn't put a scratch on.
This means Destroyer is not one shotting DD with any blasts.

2. HP DD was shown time and time again to evolve resistance and heal instantly against anything getting the best of him. That means he will continue to get more durable/resistant as the fight goes on, making it harder for the Destroyer to put him down.

3. Superman has many many great feats of durability as well as Mjolnir. Feats suggest that Superman's durability isn't too far off from Mjolnir itself. HP DD was shown to easily penetrate Superman's body as easy as liquid. This suggests that HP DD is more than capable of damaging the Destroyer's armor.

In conclusion, since HP DD gets more durable as the fight goes on while retaining the ability to damage Destroyer (and possibly getting stronger as well) then it's totally possible for HP DD to win some of these fights. That's my argument, in a nutshell.

1.) HP/DD tanking the OE/OB =/= him being able to no sell the Disintegration Ray of the Armor or Mjolnir's energy projection or even the power of the Odin Force itself. Superman failing to damage missiles of an unknown substance means nothing as Superman couldn't damage Mjolnir, either barring ridiculous outlier feats that really mean jack shit in a versus thread. And if that's the case, then Mjolnir should get access to those feats as well.

2.) No limits fallacy doesn't work here.

3.) Yes, it does. You would have to compare Superman's high end absolute best durability feats and compare them to Mjolnir's average instances or the ones where it has been damaged or destroyed outright to even come close to the idea that they're similar in durability. I don't even see how anyone can come to the conclusion that Superman is "close" in durability to the hammer. (and no, it's not because Superman is "flesh" and the hammer is "metal"😉. And harming Superman, even with ease beyond most of his other rogues in no means translates into harming Mjolnir, let alone the Destroyer Armor. That's, by far and away, the craziest idea spouted in this thread.

I have half a mind to make a "Mjolnir vs. Superman: Durability" thread just to debate that topic as to not get off track here.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Odin summoned Mjolnir forcibly while animating the Destroyer whhile he was confronting Galactus in Fraction's Thor.

is that the scan posted above? or something else?

Originally posted by -Pr-
is that the scan posted above? or something else?
Scan posted above.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
1.) HP/DD tanking the OE/OB =/= him being able to no sell the Disintegration Ray of the Armor or Mjolnir's energy projection or even the power of the Odin Force itself. Superman failing to damage missiles of an unknown substance means nothing as Superman couldn't damage Mjolnir, either barring ridiculous outlier feats that really mean jack shit in a versus thread. And if that's the case, then Mjolnir should get access to those feats as well.
How do you know Superman can't damage Mjolnir? Assuming he can't then how does that show Disintegrating beam>>>>>OE? What outlier feats? Explain what you mean?

2.) No limits fallacy doesn't work here.
No limit fallacy isn't invoked. The fact is DD does evolve greater resistance in battle. I didn't claim to what level he does it. The fact that DD not getting one shot means any additional attacks does less damage (or no damage). You can't ignore on panel evidence of DD evolving resistance countless times.

3.) Yes, it does. You would have to compare Superman's high end absolute best durability feats and compare them to Mjolnir's average instances or the ones where it has been damaged or destroyed outright to even come close to the idea that they're similar in durability. I don't even see how anyone can come to the conclusion that Superman is "close" in durability to the hammer. (and no, it's not because Superman is "flesh" and the hammer is "metal"😉. And harming Superman, even with ease beyond most of his other rogues in no means translates into harming Mjolnir, let alone the Destroyer Armor. That's, by far and away, the craziest idea spouted in this thread.
Mjolnir best feats of durability are below Superman's best feats of durability. I didn't suggest they are similar in durability. I'm suggesting that Mjolnir is not too far away. What's too far away is what you should be asking since this is not well defined.
I would say that Mjolnir is not more that 3x more durable than Superman. That's a very fair upper bound going by feats. Yes harming Superman with utmost ease definitely translates into damaging Mjolnir. Mjolnir has been damaged countless times in comics, it's far from indestructible (as well as Superman).

I have half a mind to make a "Mjolnir vs. Superman: Durability" thread just to debate that topic as to not get off track here.
That would be silly as no one is arguing that Superman is greater than or equal to Mjolnir in durability. But Superman isn't too far off. Adamantium/Mjolnir is much more durable than titanium, but so is Superman.

Originally posted by -Pr-
is that the scan posted above? or something else?
i will post the scan of the destroyer sumoning mjolnir after i get back from taking my civil service test today

Basically odin goes passes out while thor is at his side enters the destroyer then a few panels later we see Thor flying around to engage Galactus but them Mjolnir gets summon to destroyer hands, While Thor is flalling from the sky becasue Odin while in the destroyer overrided Thors control over mjolnir Then we see destroyer holding Mjolnir on a hill

found a scan of destoyer summoing mjolnir it shows odin in the odinsleep there might be other scans of it gettign ripped out of Thors hands in the floowing pages

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=455434&pagenumber=81

That same one has already been posted. Is there any scan that shows Odin was animating the destroyer before summoning mjolnir?

There is no reason to assume that animating the Destroyer removed Thor's ability to summon Mjolnir, seeing as he retained the ability to use it's powers.

As of yet all h1a8 has offered is speculation, if he wants to prove that Thor lost the ability to summon Mjolnir, he needs to show a scan of Thor attempting to summon Mjolnir and failing.

Come on Modz!

This thread is should meet Death's sweet touch now.

Originally posted by Silent Master
There is no reason to assume that animating the Destroyer removed Thor's ability to summon Mjolnir, seeing as he retained the ability to use it's powers.

As of yet all h1a8 has offered is speculation, if he wants to prove that Thor lost the ability to summon Mjolnir, he needs to show a scan of Thor attempting to summon Mjolnir and failing.

Captain America can use Mjolnir's power AFTER holding it.
Rulk can use Mjolnir's power AFTER holding it.
Neither can summon it before they grab it.

You still arguing this nonsense? Pr want's use to debate the fight. I provided an argument of why DD can win. If you still disagree then you should address my argument.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
This thread is should meet Death's sweet touch now.

So you agree that DD wins?