Re: Dooku vs. Zannah
Originally posted by jmoul
On Ambria at Caleb's camp. Three rounds: Sabers, Force, and All-Out. Who wins each round and why?
Zannah might could win with her Sith Magic ability known as Dark Side Tendrils. Dooku has no experience with that, but he may be able to destroy the projections with his lightsaber, especially on Ambria.
I'd say Dooku 7/10.
Even on Ambria, Zannah must exude both concentration and time to gather the energies necessary to summon either psychic attacks or "dark side tendrils" per her confrontation with Bane in Dynasty of Evil. When she finally does get the opportunity to unleash the former, Bane overcomes them through sheer force of will and hatred. I could see Dooku replicating this, given his training of Savage emphasized these two things, using pain to fuel hatred, which in turn fuels a Sith Lord's powers.
The tendrils present a much greater challenge. They only landed a blow because Bane was foolish enough to stand still and try to skewer one with his lightsaber. Otherwise, they were slow enough that even when he fell to the ground and nearly passed out from shock, he was able to evade a second strike. I submit that Dooku is comparable in speed to a semi-conscious, wounded Bane. We see in his various duels that he's fast enough to contend with the likes of Yoda as well as Ventress and Savage unarmed and in close quarters.
Keeping the tendrils animated, per the text, is exhausting for Zannah even on Ambria, leaving her body relatively vulnerable. Dooku, meanwhile, can replenish his energy reserves at whim (per ROTS). And as we see on Vjun, a dark side nexus also enhances Dooku's powers.
Zannah has the tools to win this, but it's too taxing for her to maintain even in a favorable setting. Dooku, despite his age, is simply a vastly more efficient fighter. His skills as a Force user are considerable and, without her esoteric trump cards, I don't think Zannah can beat him skill to skill.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Why do you think Dooku would be wiser? Arrogance is practically his defining character trait.
Who says he would be?
We're talking about a hypothetical match, I'm uninterested in scripting the fight.
What Bane did with the tentacles was no different inherently from what AOTC Anakin did when he recklessly charged Dooku in the hangar on Geonosis. We do not assume he would do something similar in these threads. Similarly, Revan was a retard of the highest order, but we don't assume he would behave as foolishly as he did in his fight with Vitiate. The examples go on and on: we don't expect that Sidious, in a moment of advantage, would forgo his beneficial position simply to gloat in the face of an incapacitated adversary.
Dooku is smart and fast enough to evade the tentacles. The only way they'd land a blow is if he commits a specific blunder.
We assess situations based on skills and capability, nothing else. Dooku has the means to properly evade the tentacles and nullify whatever advantage they provide Zannah.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Sabers, Dooku stomps hard.Force, might give it to Zannah due to variety of feats.
All out, Dooku.
Actually Dooku was stronger in the Force, but he didn't delve into Sith Magic at all.
That's how Mother Talzin got the better of him despite being waaay below his caliber...Aryan Magic.
Originally posted by Nephthys
:?Zannah sure as hell did. Drew specifically clarified that she won the mind-duel.
Originally posted by wookieepedia
Zannah lay on the ground, still disoriented from the struggle for dominion of her own body with Bane. Even though Bane had been defeated, part of him remained imprinted upon her in the form of a spasming left hand.[9] She rose awkwardly, and cleared the last vestiges of confusion before addressing the approaching Iktotchi. When Cognus called the name of Bane, Zannah declared that Bane was no more, and that she, Darth Zannah, was the new Dark Lord of the Sith. As Cognus's new Master, she instructed the Iktotchi to take Bane's lightsaber, which she would use until she built one of her own. Zannah added that they were Bane's legacy, and that they would continue the ways of the Rule of Two. That way, although an individual might die, the Sith Order would live on forever.
My apologies, this page was expanded upon since last I read it.
So yes, I would rebuttal my previous claim that Dooku was stronger in the Force, Zannah seems to be.
Re: Dooku vs. Zannah
Originally posted by jmoul
On Ambria at Caleb's camp. Three rounds: Sabers, Force, and All-Out. Who wins each round and why?
Sabers: Dooku (after a decent battle)
Force: Zannah (she can gain advantage due to her proficiency with Sith Sorcery; Dooku doesn't have powers that can WTFpwn her.)
All-Out: Zannah (This setting favors her)
Originally posted by Nephthys
But surely intelligence, resourcefulness and tactical acumen are an element of any fighters skill and capability. I'm just not seeing what makes you think that Dooku will know that he has to evade the tentacles instead of blocking them.
I'm saying that Dooku has the readily apparent option of evading them rather than attacking them. It's not as if evasion is some secret tactic elusive to Jedi or Sith. It's not my place to script the fight, nor is it yours.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I wouldn't necessarily say that Dooku was stronger. Zannah had the potential at least to surpass Bane, and did defeat him.
Why are you wording it like that bro? You know as well as I do that Zannah is in compeltely different league to Dooku in force strength, even bane is and Zannah had far greater potential.
So why is you understating what you really feel?
I get impression you are trying to get on tempest good side and comprosing your beliefs to get on his good side.