Dooku vs. Zannah

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm saying that Dooku has the readily apparent option of evading them rather than attacking them. It's not as if evasion is some secret tactic elusive to Jedi or Sith. It's not my place to script the fight, nor is it yours.

Why would she use tendrils against a Sith as someone as weak as Dooku? She only did against Bane because she needed to. Against Dooku she wouldnt need them.

You clearly heavily underestimate the siths of old. Zannah is one of the most talenetd Force Users of all time/

You underestimate Dooku, sir.

By canon, Zannah had the potential to surpass Bane, and Bane outclasses Dooku every day of the week in terms of both saber and Force prowess.

Originally posted by Ascendancy
Bane outclasses Dooku every day of the week in terms of both saber and Force prowess.

While obviously Bane is superior to Dooku, I don't believe Zannah was. As a saberduelist, Dooku could hold his own against Mace, and Yoda--combatants who are well equivalent in swordsmanship to Bane. As a Force Weilder, Dooku is one of the greatest of his time, again, being able to hold his own to Yoda, who is one of the greatest force users of ALL time.

In the end, Dooku has slashed down the main character of the series, Anakin Skywalker, multiple times. He is a Force to be reckoned with.

My point is that it is specifically stated by Bane that Zannah has it within her to surpass him, which is why he took her on as his apprentice. She would certainly have the capability to take down Dooku.

Originally posted by axel_jovan
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facepalm

Apparently fallacious appeals to consensus are contagious as of late. To quote the good Count, surely you can do better.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
While obviously Bane is superior to Dooku

Read your own words and think again:

As a saberduelist, Dooku could hold his own against Mace, and Yoda--combatants who are well equivalent in swordsmanship to Bane. As a Force Weilder, Dooku is one of the greatest of his time, again, being able to hold his own to Yoda, who is one of the greatest force users of ALL time.

In the end, Dooku has slashed down the main character of the series, Anakin Skywalker, multiple times. He is a Force to be reckoned with.

Originally posted by Arhael
Obviously?

Yes.

We could always attempt to find a feat of Sidious or Dooku that is on par with the speed, reflex and agility of Bane's rain-feat, and then calc them to be sure.

If we could find a feat for both, that can be realistically considered to be on par with, or greater than the attributes of Bane's rain-feat, then that should put this to rest.

'Cause yeah, it sucks that apparently a lot of people are apparently aware that Bane outclasses Dooku and Sidious in sabers - but at least this will test the belief of the masses, and validate what they've come to know.

Ye, rain is certainly more worthy foe than Sidious or Dooku.

It really depends how you want to compare them. Strictly feat-to-feat, I’m unaware of any particular feats by Sidious or Dooku that compares to deflecting and dodging a torrential downpour. Then again, I’m no mathematician and numbers generally induce nausea; Bane using his lightsaber as a veritable umbrella wasn’t nearly as impressive until Zampanó quantified its implications.

On the other hand, examining the feats along with the inherent context (a methodology embodied, as of late, by Arhael, -KV- & Zampanó), I don’t think a favorable argument can be made for Bane.

Originally posted by Arhael
Ye, rain is certainly more worthy foe than Sidious or Dooku.

That's right - now go back to playing with your Legos. 😛

Temp, you believe that in context Dooku compares favorably with Bane?

I doubt it. Bane is noted for his speed. He does not just have the rain feat. I am unaware of Dooku being fast enough to appear to be wielding 12 lightsabers at once, at least. His best feat of speed is not losing to an out-of-practice Yoda.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Temp, you believe that in context Dooku compares favorably with Bane?

I was referring more to Sidious than the good Count, but I certainly don't think Bane outclasses him, no.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I doubt it. Bane is noted for his speed. He does not just have the rain feat. I am unaware of Dooku being fast enough to appear to be wielding 12 lightsabers at once, at least.

Obvious hyperbole is obvious and as gratuitous as Karpyshyn is in that respect, Stover is no lightweight.

Originally posted by Nephthys
His best feat of speed is not losing to an out-of-practice Yoda.

To paraphrase you, "Yoda is noted for his speed." Why should holding his own against Yoda be to Dooku's detriment?

Originally posted by Nephthys
His best feat of speed is not losing to an out-of-practice Yoda.

If Kas'im's proclamations about the relationship between the Force and physicality is true, Bane cannot be faster than Sidious by default.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
It really depends how you want to compare them. Strictly feat-to-feat, I’m unaware of any particular feats by Sidious or Dooku that compares to deflecting and dodging a torrential downpour. Then again, I’m no mathematician and numbers generally induce nausea; Bane using his lightsaber as a veritable umbrella wasn’t nearly as impressive until Zampanó quantified its implications.

Right.

Well, as the passage simply indicates, blocking and dodging every drop in a down-pouring storm for ten minutes, would evidently require an insane amount of speed, reflex and endurance, as he kept this up, for example, far longer than we've seen Dooku or Sidious keep up a defensive maneuver against thousands of projectiles launched by the sky.

Originally posted by The_Tempest

On the other hand, examining the feats along with the inherent context (a methodology embodied, as of late, by Arhael, -KV- & Zampanó), I don’t think a favorable argument can be made for Bane.

Mm, Ahrael is mentally-challenged (though nice) and -KV- is the same guy who once thought that ESB Luke could defeat Jedi Master Qui Gon Jinn, and also had trouble understanding the concept of the power-progression from pre-Clone Wars Yoda, to post.

I think it's safe to say, the two aren't Neuro-Surgeons.

Who else has calc'd the Feat?

Originally posted by Rookwood
Right.

Well, as the passage simply indicates, blocking and dodging every drop in a down-pouring storm for ten minutes, would evidently require an insane amount of speed, reflex and endurance, as he kept this up, for example, far longer than we've seen Dooku or Sidious keep up a defensive maneuver against thousands of projectiles launched by the sky.

The maneuver also required a gathering and concentration of power before hand:

Dynasty of Evil
Feeling a blast of cold wind blow in, he crouched low and opened himself up to the Force, letting it flow through him. Drawing on it to extend his awareness out to encompass each individual bead of rain as it fell from the sky, he resolved not to let a single drop touch his exposed flesh. He could sense the power of the dark side building inside him. It began, as it always did, with a faint spark, a tiny flicker of light and heat. Muscles tense and coiled in anticipation, he fed the spark, fueling it with his own passion, letting his anger and fury transform the flame into an inferno waiting to be unleashed.

The novel also explains, prior, that Bane's speed has fractionally declined with age. Despite the considerable physical and metaphysical enhancements of orbalisks in Rule of Two, Bane is not known (at least by me) to have employed such speed in a duel, at least to degree that he blitzed any Force user of note.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
The maneuver also required a gathering and concentration of power before hand:

Well, that makes sense. It would be the same for Dooku or Sidious, if they needed the Force to amplify their actions.

Originally posted by The_Tempest

The novel also explains, prior, that Bane's speed has fractionally declined with age. Despite the considerable physical and metaphysical enhancements of orbalisks in Rule of Two, Bane is not known (at least by me) to have employed such speed in a duel, at least to degree that he blitzed any Force user of note.

I think it was our great Nephthys, who pointed out a good speed feat for Bane that was excerpted from Rule of Two.

Dynasty of Evil would apparently have us believe that Bane's speed reached a sort of peak in that book, though I can't remember how many people he fought in it.