Originally posted by Nephthys
Maybe he just wanted an cool book with nice descriptions.
And I'm sure Matthew Stover was unable to provide "a cool book with nice descripitions" without George Lucas's personal editing.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Considering Lucas himself contradicts the novel multiple times in RotS, I personally don't think he gives a **** about the novels continuity.
Lucas clearly gave enough of a "****" to personally line-edit a 300 page novel.
And did he do that to keep it in line with continuity or to improve its narrative quality in his eyes?
Because the novel directly contradicts the movie on practically every page. Most of the dialogue is different, the fights are different, scenes play out differently. The fight in question has Sidious and Mace 'became a standing wave of battle that expanded into every cubic centimeter of the Chancellor's office. There was no scrap of carpet nor shred of chair that might not at any second disintegrate in flares of red or purple; lampstands became brief shields, sliced into segments that whirled through the air; couches became terrain to be climbed for advantage or overleapt in retreat.' But yeah Lucas totally cared about continuity. Thats why that description of the fight is so similar to the one in the movie. Cuz Lucas cares about continuity sooooooo damn much.
I wish people would quote the actual sentence from the passage they are referring to when they are trying to outlay their own canon. Because I don't recall anywhere it saying that Mace "struck 24 times per second."
Also the fact that it's from Anakin's point of view does make it less valid in it's exact nature. Simply because I doubt Anakin was actually counting how many strikes there were per second.
The fact that Anakin wasn't even there in the movie doesn't exactly make it a 100% reliable quote either.
Could you fit another strawman in your post, Scarecrow?
No one said Lucas was beholden to the novel or suggested that he was somehow a slave to EU and continuity. What was suggested is that if he took the time to personally line edit a 300+ page book draft separately from the revisions made by his company's fully-staffed department who oversees such things, then what's left probably doesn't conflict too much with his personal vision of the tale.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Could you fit another strawman in your post, Scarecrow?No one said Lucas was beholden to the novel or suggested that he was somehow a slave to EU and continuity. What was suggested is that if he took the time to personally line edit a 300+ page book draft separately from the revisions made by his company's fully-staffed department who oversees such things, then what's left probably doesn't conflict too much with his personal vision of the tale.
Except that it does? Did you even read my post, the novel differs vastly from the movie and conflicts with it to a degree most scholars would describe as 'a veritable shit-ton'. The fact that Lucas line-read the novel, annotated and edited it personally and that those contradictions remain in place speaks volumes towards his apathy to them.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Except that it does? Did you even read my post, the novel differs vastly from the movie and conflicts with it to a degree most scholars would describe as 'a veritable shit-ton'.
Alas, I did read it; you should know that it grieved me to trudge through such inane garbage. uhuh
Originally posted by Nephthys
The fact that Lucas line-read the novel, annotated and edited it personally and that those contradictions remain in place speaks volumes towards his apathy to them.
I suppose it was foolish of me to assume that, because you're English, you'd understand English. But "apathy" is not an appropriate adjective for one who voluntarily line-reads, annotates, and edits a 300+ page novel.
Once again, if he elects to do so separately from a fully-staffed department dedicated to such things, one can conclude what remains doesn't oppose his vision of the story.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I suppose it was foolish of me to assume that, because you're English, you'd understand English. But "apathy" is not an appropriate adjective for one who voluntarily line-reads, annotates, and edits a 300+ page novel.Once again, if he elects to do so separately from a fully-staffed department dedicated to such things, one can conclude what remains doesn't oppose his vision of the story.
Its hilarious how you scold me on not understanding English while completely failing to understand what I wrote. I said that he clearly holds apathy towards how the novel differs from the movie, not that he holds apathy to the novel itself. The he payed so much attention to the novel and that so much of it still differs from his final vision only strengthens my argument, possibly proving it entirely.
One can conclude that if they are a baby who poops in their diapers or willingly sticking their heads in the ground so as to ignore the fact that what remained after Mr. Lucas's extensive re-write opposed his vision of the story in every damn chapter!
Originally posted by Nephthys
Its hilarious how you scold me on not understanding English while completely failing to understand what I wrote. I said that he clearly holds apathy towards how the novel differs from the movie, not that he holds apathy to the novel itself. The he payed so much attention to the novel and that so much of it still differs from his final vision only strengthens my argument, possibly proving it entirely.One can conclude that if they are a baby who poops in their diapers or willingly sticking their heads in the ground so as to ignore the fact that what remained after Mr. Lucas's extensive re-write opposed his vision of the story in every damn chapter!
Why on earth would we rationally conclude he'd take all that time and effort to exhaustively edit the novel if he didn't care about ensuring its alignment with his vision?
No one said that the book and film are identical, nor do they have to be in order for Lucas to say "this works."
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Why on earth would we rationally conclude he'd take all that time and effort to exhaustively edit the novel if he didn't care about ensuring its alignment with his vision?No one said that the book and film are identical, nor do they have to be in order for Lucas to say "this works."
Because it doesn't.
And it does work. Its a very good book. It just doesn't match up with continuity.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I wish people would quote the actual sentence from the passage they are referring to when they are trying to outlay their own canon. Because I don't recall anywhere it saying that Mace "swung 24 times per second."
Mace pressed back the darkness with a relentless straight-ahead march; his own blade, that distinctive amethyst blaze that had been the final sight of so many evil beings across the galaxy, made a haze of its own: an oblate sphere of purple fire within which there seemed to be dozens of swords slashing in all directions at once.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Also the fact that it's from Anakin's point of view does make it less valid in it's exact nature. Simply because I doubt Anakin was actually counting how many strikes there were per second.
Actually, Anakin couldn't see the strikes because of the sheer physical speed - but he felt every movement through the Force.
And you don't need to consciously count the sequence of something, to know it's numerical value.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The fact that Anakin wasn't even there in the movie doesn't exactly make it a 100% reliable quote either.
It's like that old saying, "If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?"
Whether Anakin is there or not, they still move that fast, and Lucas obviously liked and approved that element of the story; thus kept it, per Stover's words.