Most plotholed film of 2012?

Originally posted by ares834
Not at all. Consider, do the think the CIA agents getting into Gotham is a plot hole? Probably not. Why? Because they are CIA agents and would have the necessary means to pull off such a maneuver. The same holds true for Batman.

The CIA agents getting into Gotham was NEVER considered a plot hole...they were clearly disguised as UN officials delivering food supplies.

In contrast, how did Bane smuggle & hide 4 trail bikes in the Stock Exchange? That's the obvious plot hole there.

Escaping the pit was also another head-scratcher.

Why were all the wannabe escapees shown having to climb & get off that ledge when it was clearly shown the rope that they were climbing was secured higher than the ledge?

I'm not saying that the rope was secured to the top edge of the pit...I just saw no logical reason that making it to the ledge & then jumping horizontally to another ledge the same height meant you escaped the pit....?

The only scene I can personally shrug off as "Because he's Batman." is the flaming bat on the side of the building.

I'll go as far as to imagine using The Bat to spray some sort of flammable gel to the side of the building.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Escaping the pit was also another head-scratcher.

Why were all the wannabe escapees shown having to climb & get off that ledge when it was clearly shown the rope that they were climbing was secured higher than the ledge?

I'm not saying that the rope was secured to the top edge of the pit...I just saw no logical reason that making it to the ledge & then jumping horizontally to another ledge the same height meant you escaped the pit....?

Actually, the rope that was attached to them looked to me like it was secured lower than the ledge you jumped from. Unless you mean a different rope?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Actually, the rope that was attached to them looked to me like it was secured lower than the ledge you jumped from. Unless you mean a different rope?

I really don't know whether the rope was secured below or above the ledge....

Nolan really left it vague that once you made it to one ledge & jumped to the other ledge...you were somehow free.

Maybe the 2nd ledge spiralled to the top, maybe the cracks in the wall were bigger on that side to get a proper grip....I really don't know.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
I really don't know whether the rope was secured below or above the ledge....

Nolan really left it vague that once you made it to one ledge & jumped to the other ledge...you were somehow free.

Maybe the 2nd ledge spiralled to the top, maybe the cracks in the wall were bigger on that side to get a proper grip....I really don't know.

Im sure there were more hand-holds. I mean, Bane did say at one point that the prison liked to give people hope.

The actual rope that was tied around your waist was secured lower than the jump, though. I remember thinking when I was watching it that the rope will only let you jump so far, and could be what has been stopping people making it.

That said, I came to the conclusion after watching A Nolan Batman marathon over the last couple of days that I don't really care about the plotholes in DKR (or any of the Nolan movies). The movie has enough high points that in the end, I'm not going to worry about a bit of PIS.

If I were to pick a "most plot holed movie" I suppose I'd end up going for Prometheus, as much as I enjoyed it.

Originally posted by -Pr-

That said, I came to the conclusion after watching A Nolan Batman marathon over the last couple of days that I don't really care about the plotholes in DKR (or any of the Nolan movies). The movie has enough high points that in the end, I'm not going to worry about a bit of PIS.

If I were to pick a "most plot holed movie" I suppose I'd end up going for Prometheus, as much as I enjoyed it.

Hey I totally understand & RESPECT your point of view.
Between Prometheus & TDKR...I eagerly awaited 4 years for the latter to blow me away & sadly I was disappointed.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Hey I totally understand & RESPECT your point of view.
Between Prometheus & TDKR...I eagerly awaited 4 years for the latter to blow me away & sadly I was disappointed.

I probably liked it more than I should have because 1, I'm such a huge Alien fan, and 2, I was desperate to see something good after the AVP movies.

I still think it was one of the better movies of the year that I've seen, but I'm not going to pretend it was a masterpiece.

Those movies that have follow-ups. Definitely plotholed

Prometheus hands down

I recently read this commentary on the Dark Knight Rises, and thought I should share it:

Suggested Reading on TDKR

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Sorry but you & B Skywalker are dismissing an integral part of the story-line.

a) It's established that Wayne Enterprises is no longer making a profit, due to Bruce discontinuing the fusion reactor project.

b) Bane uses Bruce's fingerprints at the Stock Exchange to bankrupt Wayne Enterprises & BLAME Bruce for it. Bruce is publicly humiliated on a worldwide level.

c) Alfred leaves...so there's no point or reason Bruce would later call him for money (to get back to Gotham).

d) Electricity is cut off at the Wayne manor, establishing just how far Bruce has fallen from his riches.

Why would Nolan establish all the reasons above just so the general audience could shrug it off as, "well he's not really broke..."?

Furthermore the "He's Batman" theory fails because it wasn't Batman who climbed out of the pit but a poor, penniless Bruce Wayne, who clearly had no money or even identification on him.

It was to establish that Bruce Wayne is down, as you said "publicly humiliated".

It's still not hard to imagine billionaire Bruce Wayne who leads a secret second life wouldn't have separate backup resources disconnected from his public personality. That's no more or less of a reach than saying "there's no way Bruce could have made it back into Gotham."

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
The only scene I can personally shrug off as "Because he's Batman." is the flaming bat on the side of the building.

I'll go as far as to imagine using The Bat to spray some sort of flammable gel to the side of the building.

The funny things is that's the only "plothole" that really bothers me. Not so much because of how he did it, but rather why waste the time to do it.

Originally posted by Robtard
It was to establish that Bruce Wayne is down, as you said "publicly humiliated".

It's still not hard to imagine billionaire Bruce Wayne who leads a secret second life wouldn't have separate backup resources disconnected from his public personality. That's no more or less of a reach than saying "there's no way Bruce could have made it back into Gotham."

exactly

Originally posted by Robtard
It was to establish that Bruce Wayne is down, as you said "publicly humiliated".

It's still not hard to imagine billionaire Bruce Wayne who leads a secret second life wouldn't have separate backup resources disconnected from his public personality. That's no more or less of a reach than saying "there's no way Bruce could have made it back into Gotham."

Originally posted by omgchos
I get that, what my point is, is that we dont get any explanation. Other than 'im batman'. So from a technical standpoint its a plothole, but as i said, i dont know why people fixate on THIS as the thing that made TDKR so disappointing. Also why people who liked the movie fixate on it as the thing that actualy needs to be defended. Everyone skates over the other stuff.

there doesn't HAVE to be an explanation.. yiou should be able to figure it out yourself

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
there doesn't [b]HAVE to be an explanation.. yiou should be able to figure it out yourself [/B]

Originally posted by Robtard

It's still not hard to imagine billionaire Bruce Wayne who leads a secret second life wouldn't have separate backup resources disconnected from his public personality. That's no more or less of a reach than saying "there's no way Bruce could have made it back into Gotham."

I'm simply debating for the sake of debating.
You're stating that Bruce Wayne had separate back-up resources established in EVERY part of the world, prepared for every conceivable contingency....

For argument's sake, the logical reasoning would be like a safety deposit box in every major world wide bank.

This would still lead to the dilemma that Bruce had no identification on him whatsoever to gain access to said safety deposit box.

If you were holidaying, say in Egypt & you had all your belongings stolen, your wallet, your credit cards, your drivers license, your passport & any loose change in your pockets....regardless if you were a billionaire or an average Joe, it would literally be impossible to prove who you are to the authorities, much less gain access to your funds.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
I'm simply debating for the sake of debating.
You're stating that Bruce Wayne had separate back-up resources established in EVERY part of the world, prepared for every conceivable contingency....

For argument's sake, the logical reasoning would be like a safety deposit box in every major world wide bank.

This would still lead to the dilemma that Bruce had no identification on him whatsoever to gain access to said safety deposit box.

If you were holidaying, say in Egypt & you had all your belongings stolen, your wallet, your credit cards, your drivers license, your passport & any loose change in your pockets....regardless if you were a billionaire or an average Joe, it would literally be impossible to prove who you are to the authorities, much less gain access to your funds.

Not if they used biometrics. vin

Originally posted by -Pr-
Not if they used biometrics. vin

By voice or behaviour.

Then Bruce would be totally screwed.

(Gravelly Batman voice): "I'm Bruce Wayne err cough cough (normal voice) I mean I'm Bruce Wayne."

Behaviour?

"Well I wear a mask to hide the fake-playboy persona that hides my angst of my parents' death...that brought out my inner demons that changes the way I talk when I wear a mask...that's truly my real face. Not to mention I also wear mascara under my mask."