Originally posted by omgchos
Im not asking for pandering. I dont want a play by play of him somehow getting ahold of these 'contacts' we never hear about, and this money he had supposedly squared away. The point here is that given his predicament and the fact that the island was basically quarantined and guarded, the audience is only given the 'im batman' explination. Which does make it a plothole. IMO nolan just wrote himself into a corner and didnt bother because he knew that people, like you, would draw your own conclusions and not question it. This isnt a question of common sense, because common sense at this point dictated that his ordeal was dire, and all we get is the same tired argument of baddassery. It can only go so far.
actually Npolan didn;t but you can keep believing that.. common sense takes place above all else.. perhaps you should use some.. Bruce Wayne obviously called Alfred or the fact he is a ninja with the ability to use stealth tactics which can get him anywhere
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
I'm simply debating for the sake of debating.
You're stating that Bruce Wayne had separate back-up resources established in EVERY part of the world, prepared for every conceivable contingency....For argument's sake, the logical reasoning would be like a safety deposit box in every major world wide bank.
This would still lead to the dilemma that Bruce had no identification on him whatsoever to gain access to said safety deposit box.
If you were holidaying, say in Egypt & you had all your belongings stolen, your wallet, your credit cards, your drivers license, your passport & any loose change in your pockets....regardless if you were a billionaire or an average Joe, it would literally be impossible to prove who you are to the authorities, much less gain access to your funds.
you are forgetting that a presumed dead Bruce Wayne stole from his own company.. you are also forgetting that in Calcutta only the people in the pit knew who Wayne was while the outside the pit they most likely didn;t.. second his name alone would get him anywhere irregardless,, Rob is correct.. it really isn;t hard to believe that Wayne had plenty of contacts and secret stashes of cash
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
[B]Bruce Wayne obviously called Alfred or the fact he is a ninja with the ability to use stealth tactics which can get him anywhere
Get your facts straight, Mr. Expert.
Alfred had already left Bruce & as his whereabouts was unknown, it would've been logical to assume, un-contactable as well.
Ninja & stealth tactics...yeah Bats really showed Bane!
Originally posted by BruceSkywalkeryou are forgetting that a presumed dead Bruce Wayne stole from his own company.. you are also forgetting that in Calcutta only the people in the pit knew who Wayne was while the outside the pit they most likely didn;t.. second his name alone would get him anywhere irregardless,, Rob is correct.. it really isn;t hard to believe that Wayne had plenty of contacts and secret stashes of cash [/B]
Errr no, Bruce never stole from his own company. He was framed by Bane giving both Wayne Industries & the world wide public into believing he did. BRUCE. NEVER. STOLE.
The people in the pit DID NOT KNOW OR CARE who Bruce was.
The old man pointed to the newly installed tv showing Gotham city & said, along the lines, "WHOEVER you are, you must be very important..."
Lastly, if you flash back to Begins, Bruce tried telling the Asian Police that he was Bruce Wayne & they neither believed nor cared before he was thrown in jail. So on that assumption, his name alone would not have been enough to get back to Gotham.
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Bruce Wayne obviously called Alfred
And further proof that Bruce didn't call Alfred was the fact that Alfred stated at Bruce's funeral, "I should never have left...I should've been there for him."
Clearly implying that the moment Alfred left, he had no further contact with Bruce.
Originally posted by Esau CairnHE could have just been lamenting the fact that he should have never quite not that he didn't give Bruce money quickly.
And further proof that Bruce didn't call Alfred was the fact that Alfred stated at Bruce's funeral, "I should never have left...I should've been there for him."Clearly implying that the moment Alfred left, he had no further contact with Bruce.
Even if he did, Bruce could have still had some private funds that were off the books in case of emergency. It seems like the the kind of thing he would do.
Or he could have called up any one of the thousands of extremely rich people he knew for a plane to get back to Gotham.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Errr no, Bruce never stole from his own company. He was framed by Bane giving both Wayne Industries & the world wide public into believing he did. BRUCE. NEVER. STOLE.The people in the pit DID NOT KNOW OR CARE who Bruce was.
The old man pointed to the newly installed tv showing Gotham city & said, along the lines, "WHOEVER you are, you must be very important..."Lastly, if you flash back to Begins, Bruce tried telling the Asian Police that he was Bruce Wayne & they neither believed nor cared before he was thrown in jail. So on that assumption, his name alone would not have been enough to get back to Gotham.
smdh.. remember in Batman Begins where Bruce stole from his own company..
Originally posted by Newjak
HE could have just been lamenting the fact that he should have never quite not that he didn't give Bruce money quickly.Even if he did, Bruce could have still had some private funds that were off the books in case of emergency. It seems like the the kind of thing he would do.
Or he could have called up any one of the thousands of extremely rich people he knew for a plane to get back to Gotham.
spot on
Originally posted by omgchos
I get that, what my point is, is that we dont get any explanation. Other than 'im batman'. So from a technical standpoint its a plothole, but as i said, i dont know why people fixate on THIS as the thing that made TDKR so disappointing. Also why people who liked the movie fixate on it as the thing that actualy needs to be defended. Everyone skates over the other stuff.
IMO, it's not a plot hole, as Bruce getting back isn't beyond reason considering his abilities and background. I personally don't need to be spoon-fed every little thing. Would a 2min scene of Bruce boarding some plane and then sneaking into Gotham really improve the film?
As you said, the focusing on this issue is ridiculous, it's so minor.
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BTW, did anyone else beside me found Silva's capture as part of his plan in Skyfall exactly like Joker's in Dark Knight?
Originally posted by Robtard
IMO, it's not a plot hole, as Bruce getting back isn't beyond reason considering his abilities and background. I personally don't need to be spoon-fed every little thing. Would a 2min scene of Bruce boarding some plane and then sneaking into Gotham really improve the film?
Y'know for such a long movie TDKR turned out to be, you hardly saw enough of either Bruce or Batman.
So yeah, eliminate the endless long shots of "Gotham" & add in a 2 minute montage of Bruce's various stages of getting back to Gotham would've been nice.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Y'know for such a long movie TDKR turned out to be, you hardly saw enough of either Bruce or Batman.So yeah, eliminate the endless long shots of "Gotham" & add in a 2 minute montage of Bruce's various stages of getting back to Gotham would've been nice.
I wished Nolan continued to depict Gotham as he did in Begins. The grittiness and decay was evident. They might as well have called "Gothan" Chicago or NYC the last two movies. Unless Nolan was intentionally trying to demonstrate the city 'cleaned up' after Batman's crusade.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Y'know for such a long movie TDKR turned out to be, you hardly saw enough of either Bruce or Batman.So yeah, eliminate the endless long shots of "Gotham" & add in a 2 minute montage of Bruce's various stages of getting back to Gotham would've been nice.
"Nice"? Meh, maybe. I don't think they film would have been improved in the sightless by us seeing Bruce's trip back.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
And once again you miss the point.
We're discussing TDKR NOT Begins.
-sigh-
actually no as you are the one missing the point.. I brought up Batman Begins to prove a point, which you missed
Originally posted by -kV-
Why did the "pit" have to be in some faraway country? I always thought it could have been done where it was in Gotham itself. Would have fit the film thematically.
smdh.. in the comics the pit has always been in india or thereabouts so it was only fitting in the film it had to be in India..
Originally posted by Robtard
IMO, it's not a plot hole, as Bruce getting back isn't beyond reason considering his abilities and background. I personally don't need to be spoon-fed every little thing. Would a 2min scene of Bruce boarding some plane and then sneaking into Gotham really improve the film?As you said, the focusing on this issue is ridiculous, it's so minor.
agreed..
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Y'know for such a long movie TDKR turned out to be, you hardly saw enough of either Bruce or Batman.So yeah, eliminate the endless long shots of "Gotham" & add in a 2 minute montage of Bruce's various stages of getting back to Gotham would've been nice.
facepalmfacepalm why would Nolan waste the audiences time with something thats not even needed.. you claim that Batman is your favorite character then why exactly are you questioning things that Batman can easily do?
Originally posted by -kV-
I wished Nolan continued to depict Gotham as he did in Begins. The grittiness and decay was evident. They might as well have called "Gothan" Chicago or NYC the last two movies. Unless Nolan was intentionally trying to demonstrate the city 'cleaned up' after Batman's crusade.
That's why I enjoyed Begins the most.
Gotham was a gritty mixture of cgi buildings superimposed into a real skyline....it didn't look like America at all.
Then Nolan discovered a passion for the film format of IMAX.
TDK &TDKR became a serious of sweeping long-shots of American cities. Gotham was no longer a fictitious city reminiscent of comic books & imagine. Nolan wanted us to now believe that Bruce Wayne was American & Detroit & Manhattan was his domain.
Originally posted by Robtard
"Nice"? Meh, maybe. I don't think they film would have been improved in the sightless by us seeing Bruce's trip back.
It would've made a better montage to see more of Bruce's/Bat's exploits than the obvious, "I have an IMAX camera, we need more long shots of buildings..."