Most plotholed film of 2012?

Originally posted by omgchos
A plot hole, or plothole, is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot. These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, events happening for no apparent reason, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.

In other words this guy is just another TDKR fan whining about what he percieves as hate towards his moive. When in fact it did have some major plotholes.

Oh snap! 😆 😆 😆

That took me all of 10 seconds to find. The guy who wrote the article shoulda done his homework.

Originally posted by omgchos
Bane would have been a great villain if

A) He wasnt talias little henchmen, and therefore had no motivation of his own.

B) Didnt have a voice akin to a british troll with autotune.

C) And finally wasnt killed so anticlimactically.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
He was moreso a guardian/protector to her than he was a henchman, and he promptly ignored Talia's order right after she left the building, so he had a mind/motivation of his own. The voice I never had much problem with, but everyone shares the same sentiments on how he was killed off.

Originally posted by omgchos
Bane would have been a great villain if

A) He wasnt talias little henchmen, and therefore had no motivation of his own.

B) Didnt have a voice akin to a british troll with autotune.

C) And finally wasnt killed so anticlimactically.

A plot hole, or plothole, is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot. These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, events happening for no apparent reason, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.

In other words this guy is just another TDKR fan whining about what he percieves as hate towards his moive. When in fact it did have some major plotholes.

so you can't think for yourself then???

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
so you can't think for yourself then???

If to the second part you refer, young skywalker, posting a definition is the best way to prove someone wrong if they claim to know what a plothole is. Also if you refer to the last statement ther i did express my opinion as to why someone would think that way.

Originally posted by omgchos
]A plot hole, or plothole, is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot. These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, events happening for no apparent reason, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.

In other words this guy is just another TDKR fan whining about what he percieves as hate towards his moive. When in fact it did have some major plotholes.

Except he never said it didn't have plot holes. Only that several of these so called "plot holes" aren't.

Originally posted by ares834
Except he never said it didn't have plot holes. Only that several of these so called "plot holes" aren't.

Originally posted by omgchos
These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, events happening for no apparent reason, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.

Originally posted by omgchos
My post adresses that. his example was batman appearing in gotham after the pit of despair......

As I've said countless times now, Batman flew the Bat into Gotham. It's not that difficult to infer. I'll admit, however, that Batman getting back to the Americas could be constituted as a plot hole by some. And yet, that doesn't get the gist of what he was even saying which was plot holes don't necessarily make a film bad. Frankly, TDKR's biggest problem was the pacing not the so called plot holes people keep bringing up.

Originally posted by omgchos
These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, events happening for no apparent reason, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.

Where was this in TDKR?

I can see somebody making a claim for this: Constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot.

But not the portion you brought up.

Originally posted by omgchos
If your refereing to the the first part that looks like an opinion of my own to me, lol.

If to the second part you refer, young skywalker, posting a definition is the best way to prove someone wrong if they claim to know what a plothole is. Also if you refer to the last statement ther i did express my opinion as to why someone would think that way.

I agree with Ares834

Originally posted by ares834
Except he never said it didn't have plot holes. Only that several of these so called "plot holes" aren't.

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Originally posted by ares834
As I've said countless times now, Batman flew the Bat into Gotham. It's not that difficult to infer. I'll admit, however, that Batman getting back to the Americas could be constituted as a plot hole by some. And yet, that doesn't get the gist of what he was even saying which was plot holes don't necessarily make a film bad. Frankly, TDKR's biggest problem was the pacing not the so called plot holes people keep bringing up.

Where was this in TDKR?

I can see somebody making a claim for this: Constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot.

But not the portion you brought up.

The guy who made that article does not know what hes talking about. I pointed out his mistake and my theory as to why he made it. Aside from my quip about TDKR fans making it out to be a better movie than it is, i didnt express much of an opinion on the film specifically.

If you want to know my opinion go back a page or two, i feel iv'e made my reasons for disliking TDKR well known. And let me assure you plotholes are just one reason i didnt like it.

Originally posted by omgchos
Him somehow getting to from point A to point B with no money is in fact a plothole. I never voiced an opinion of the movie based on my post there. My actual opions of the movie vary from plotholes to characters and so on. My post was a retort to the article. He used that as his example. It is by definition a plothole. So let me set the record straight.

Not necessarily. To some, it will be considered a plot hole, but to others the "he's Batman" is a satisfactory answer of how he did it. That's what they guy in the article is arguing, that this answer works.

Originally posted by omgchos
If you want to know my opinion go back a page or two, i feel iv'e made my reasons for disliking TDKR well known. And let me assure you plotholes are just one reason i didnt like it.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by ares834
Not necessarily. To some, it will be considered a plot hole, but to others the "he's Batman" is a satisfactory answer of how he did it. That's what they guy in the article is arguing, that this answer works.

Originally posted by omgchos
Him somehow getting to from point A to point B with no money is in fact a plothole. I never voiced an opinion of the movie based on my post there. My actual opions of the movie vary from plotholes to characters and so on. My post was a retort to the article. He used that as his example. It is by definition a plothole. So let me set the record straight.

The guy who made that article does not know what hes talking about. I pointed out his mistake and my theory as to why he made it. Aside from my quip about TDKR fans making it out to be a better movie than it is, i didnt express much of an opinion on the film specifically.

If you want to know my opinion go back a page or two, i feel iv'e made my reasons for disliking TDKR well known. And let me assure you plotholes are just one reason i didnt like it.

Seriously Wanye wine and dined with the most rich of Gotham and the world.

Do you honestly think that Bruce couldn't get a hold of someone to fly him back to Gotham or close to it, and considering what was going on I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard to convince someone to get him there.

He may have just called Alfred, cause Alfred probably had some spare money on him in a bank account somewhere that he could have loaned Bruce to get back.

Originally posted by Newjak
Getting from point A to B with no money isn't that hard if you still have friends with a lot of it.

Seriously Wanye wine and dined with the most rich of Gotham and the world.

Do you honestly think that Bruce couldn't get a hold of someone to fly him back to Gotham or close to it, and considering what was going on I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard to convince someone to get him there.

He may have just called Alfred, cause Alfred probably had some spare money on him in a bank account somewhere that he could have loaned Bruce to get back.

Originally posted by omgchos
He seems to state pretty blatantly that its not a plothole by any definition. Also whether you accept the "i'm batman" argument is irrelevant as its still a plothole.

Not at all. Consider, do the think the CIA agents getting into Gotham is a plot hole? Probably not. Why? Because they are CIA agents and would have the necessary means to pull off such a maneuver. The same holds true for Batman.

In this case it's how did he get back to the Americas? The answer, he is Batman and would have the necessary means to pull off such a maneuver. Now you may not believe that's a satisfactory answer, and that's fine. But if you do find it to be satisfactory than it ceases to be a plot hole. That's what the guy was arguing, that the "I'm Batman" premise is satisfactory.

Originally posted by ares834
Not at all. Consider, do the think the CIA agents getting into Gotham is a plot hole? Probably not. Why? Because they are CIA agents and would have the necessary means to pull off such a maneuver. The same holds true for Batman.

In this case it's how did he get back to the Americas? The answer, he is Batman and would have the necessary means to pull off such a maneuver. Now you may not believe that's a satisfactory answer, and that's fine. But if you do find it to be satisfactory than it ceases to be a plot hole. That's what the guy was arguing, that the "I'm Batman" premise is satisfactory.

Originally posted by omgchos
If there is no explination given the arleady established information i.e. no money and no established contactacts except for those in gotham(lucious, and alfred) then its a plothole. When the only explination is im batman it doesnt work. It may be amusing but this isnt a comedy, unless you count banes voice.

lolololololol smdh.. thanks for the laughs , there doesn;t have to be an explanation.. you the viewer should have the smarts to figure things out for yourself.. Bruce Wayne certainly has the connections to sneak back into town with the greatest of ease.. even Bane ddin;t know Bruce snuck back into town until he saw the fiery bat signal

Originally posted by omgchos
If there is no explination given the arleady established information i.e. no money and no established contactacts except for those in gotham(lucious, and alfred) then its a plothole. When the only explination is im batman it doesnt work. It may be amusing but this isnt a comedy, unless you count banes voice.

I didn't take the "you're broke, Bruce" as Bruce being completely broke, just officially to the outside world that only knew him as Bruce Wayne the spoiled dickhead.

It's not hard to imagine that Batman would have secreted away accounts and resources. Rich people who aren't Batman already do this.

Originally posted by Robtard
I didn't take the "you're broke, Bruce" as Bruce being completely broke, just officially to the outside world that only knew him as Bruce Wayne the spoiled dickhead.

It's not hard to imagine that Batman would have secreted away accounts and resources. Rich people who aren't Batman already do this.

Sorry but you & B Skywalker are dismissing an integral part of the story-line.

a) It's established that Wayne Enterprises is no longer making a profit, due to Bruce discontinuing the fusion reactor project.

b) Bane uses Bruce's fingerprints at the Stock Exchange to bankrupt Wayne Enterprises & BLAME Bruce for it. Bruce is publicly humiliated on a worldwide level.

c) Alfred leaves...so there's no point or reason Bruce would later call him for money (to get back to Gotham).

d) Electricity is cut off at the Wayne manor, establishing just how far Bruce has fallen from his riches.

Why would Nolan establish all the reasons above just so the general audience could shrug it off as, "well he's not really broke..."?

Furthermore the "He's Batman" theory fails because it wasn't Batman who climbed out of the pit but a poor, penniless Bruce Wayne, who clearly had no money or even identification on him.