I guess the Thor fans win in by showing high end feats Thor can indeed bench press the earth once.
Feats like handling half the weight of a planet fairly easily.....check.
Pulling the MS which can wrap around the planet more then once.....check.(despite there nonsensical argument.)
Materson Thor who is presumed weaker then the real Thor stalemated planet crusher Gladiator in a contest of strength...(direct comparison feat)check.
Stalemated Hulk in a contest of strength....direct comparison feat check (For Carver.... Hulk can indeed surpass Thor in strength though).....🙂
It's a hurtful thing, to be utterly crushed and humiliated by a "moron", especially after such displays of arrogance and superiority had been shown by certain opposing forum members.
But, as I see it, Name Calling is often the highest form of flattery. It usually ushers in the final moments of a debate and can be equated to "gee, you are much smarter than I am and have out-maneuvered me in my mad lust for power and station. I am thus diminished in both intellect and manhood".
I can see it and my heart goes out to certain individuals who felt that this was a proper course of action, much to their eventual dismay.
So, I, personally have no hard feelings toward any of the perpetrators of non-sportsmanlike conduct within this thread. Being "brought low" is never pleasant.
But, the important thing to remember here, is that I'm ok. I know many of you will take comfort in that fact. 😄
Originally posted by Horrificus
It's a hurtful thing, to be utterly crushed and humiliated by a "moron", especially after such displays arrogance and superiority had been shown.I can see it and my heart goes out to certain individuals who felt that this was a proper course of action, much to their eventual dismay.
So, I, personally have no hard feelings toward any of the perpetrators of non-sportsmanlike conduct within this thread. Being "brought low" is never pleasant.
But, the important thing to remember here, is that I'm ok. I know many of you will take comfort in that fact. 😄
The words of a champion.
Originally posted by quanchi112Actually, I agree with you Q, (as has been known to happen on rare occasions). These guys are designed to have the ability to do, pretty much whatever they want or need to do at the moment. Period. And, a lot of times, it doesn't seem like there are any limits.
Thor could do so easily. All of these guys Thor included have high end feats just like Superman. Neither Superman or Thor operate at these levels for extended periods of time. It's the same.
These brothers operate by similar rules in both of their universes.
Originally posted by Horrificus
The Midgard Serpent was "real" in the realm of Asgard.Your statement that "the normal limits and proportions of time/space don't apply" is wrong, unless you plan on running a campaign in this forum that will retroactively negate all feats that have taken place in the void between Asgard and Midgard since these titles began.
Good luck. I'll meet ya there.
The story is written to be a statement of Thor's strength, which is why Thor even comments on it as he lifts the serpent.
And, of course, there is the panel I posted that actually shows the very Earth being effected from across dimensional borders.
From the approach Thor takes, through Asgard, Earth becomes the "ethereal" and the serpent is "real". This is why Thor is there, unless you have a good theory about Thor becoming a strictly spiritual/ethereal entity while outside of the 616. If you do, we would all love to hear it. But, you see, you can't. And, that is because, from the very beginning of the title, not only has it been pumped that it is a SOLID reality, but compared to the 616, it is 3 TIMES AS SOLID.
Everything in the realm has 3 times the density of the "real" world. And, the Midgard Serpent is of the Asgardian Realm. It is NEVER portrayed as being a spiritual entity. As a matter of fact, it has been hinted at that the part being seen in Midgard is the tip of the ice berg, with the remaining size of the creature extending into the dimension of Asgard.
And, it doesn't even matter if they were in the Mojoverse, the serpent's characteristics are it's characteristics. You can't DECIDE to change it's profile depending on where it is located, unless you can actually prove that where it is, can effect what it is.
Luckily you don't have to do that, because we know where it is. And, we also know that mass and density is 3 times that of the 616.
And, the serpent has been show to have the ability to hold any size and shape that it wants. It even disguised itself as Fin Fang Foom once, until it "unzipped" itself and sprang to it's full size.
That is the nature of the character. Unless you decide the the Midgard Serpent is less "real" than all of the other mystical characters in the Marvel U, it's just the way it is.Incidentally, if Phil's argument to throw out so many story points, scans and on-panel statements is successful, due to the extra-dimensional properties of where the conflict takes place, I can already think of a half dozen threads where I will be using it next. 😄
Unfortunately, the very scene you described with the Serpent being disguised as Fing Fang Foom is an example of why you can see the circumstance of the Serpents ethereal state and all the conditions of that comic apply.
Because, when both are in the material realm, this is what it looked like;
http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u674/picturesforkmc/Thor379017_zps3bda02da.jpg
http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u674/picturesforkmc/Thor379018_zps76723889.jpg
http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u674/picturesforkmc/Thor379020_zps83e0309a.jpg
Originally posted by carver9Thank you carver, but please, understand, I only do this for the "little people" out there. (And, I'm not talking about zop).
The words of a champion.
I'm talking about those of us who have been forced into comic book silence by the ...
OK, that's it. I'm done pontificating for now... Must now go back to watching "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia", cursing, scratching my crotch and "gfawing" like Lobo from my easy-chair.
It's a good life. 🙂
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, reposting posts are so darn funny, I guess. Well thor fans are gushing about how thor for some moments held up the weight of half the planet nearly 45 years ago. Let's see how superman's feats compare to that, shall we?Endures more than a planet's gravity
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/adventuresof618c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/adventuresof618d.jpgStanding up in a simulated gravity of a black hole
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/superman665a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/superman665b.jpgAlso that was a year one superman.
Getting punched by the weight of whole planet while weakened by kryptonite
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/sb-04-18.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/sb-04-19.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/sb-04-21.jpgAlso he was just playing possum too.
That are some of his "average" feats.
You do realize that applying this standard as his average that you've (unitentionally) just dramatically increased the instances of where he has performed substandard?
Originally posted by HorrificusThat's why I don't place too much importance in high end feats because the next time they meet up with their peers it usually doesn't seem to matter.
Actually, I agree with you Q, (as has been known to happen on rare occasions). These guys are designed to have the ability to do, pretty much whatever they want or need to do at the moment. Period. And, a lot of times, it doesn't seem like there are any limits.These brothers operate by similar rules in both of their universes.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Thank you carver, but please, understand, I only do this for the "little people" out there. (And, I'm not talking about zop).I'm talking about those of us who have been forced into comic book silence by the ...
OK, that's it. I'm done pontificating for now... Must now go back to watching "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia", cursing, scratching my crotch and "gfawing" like Lobo from my easy-chair.
It's a good life. 🙂
😂
Thor does have some high end strength feats (none on par with Superman's best). Stalemating Hulk in a contest of strength is not one of them. We don't know how mad the Hulk was when that happened. Plus it happened DECADES AGO. Does anyone here seriously think that Thor could stalemate the Hulk in a test of strength today? I'd wager that Hulk could overpower Thor's entire body with one arm, with ease.
You can cherry pick the 3-8 really impressive strength feats Thor has over his 50 years (yes, FIFTY YEARS) of history, but as someone stated earlier, those would be average strength feats from Superman on a yearly basis. You'd also have to forget the much longer list of times we've seen the limits of Thor's strength displayed.
When was the last time we can say Thor displayed planet moving power? How long ago was that? The Thor of today is a mountain mover at best, in terms of strength.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Thor does have some high end strength feats (none on par with Superman's best). Stalemating Hulk in a contest of strength is not one of them. We don't know how mad the Hulk was when that happened. Plus it happened DECADES AGO. Does anyone here seriously think that Thor could stalemate the Hulk in a test of strength today? I'd wager that Hulk could overpower Thor's entire body with one arm, with ease.You can cherry pick the 3-8 really impressive strength feats Thor has over his 50 years (yes, FIFTY YEARS) of history, but as someone stated earlier, those would be average strength feats from Superman on a yearly basis. You'd also have to forget the much longer list of times we've seen the limits of Thor's strength displayed.
When was the last time we can say Thor displayed planet moving power? How long ago was that? The Thor of today is a mountain mover at best, in terms of strength.
The question of the thread was "How close could Thor come to bench pressing the Earth once?" Not; "How close could Thor come to bench pressing the the Earth once? *oh and btw showings over a decade old don't count..."
Originally posted by dmills
You do realize that applying this standard as his average that you've (unitentionally) just dramatically increased the instances of where he has performed substandard?
As this guy said earlier in the thread;
Originally posted by Magnon
But in principle there's nothing that prevents characters from different publishers to have vastly different power levels.
As such, for example, Superman being overpowered by someone physically takes an incredible amount of strength, given the idea of the type of feats of strength Superman performs year in and year out.
Now over at Marvel, Hulk is the measuring stick for strength and raw power.
The problem with this is that due to the nature of his powers,[prior to his current storylines] he always fluctuated incredibly, drastically, where holding part of a mountain is a major feat, to punching a moon into pieces probably wouldn't have been much of a problem, so using a performance against him in power would yield bad results because you don't know which version you were getting.
But as I said earlier in the thread;
Originally posted by Juntai
Hulk in the last couple of years is the only one to match Superman's consistency involving big time in and out of combat feats, and it took canonically the strongest version of the character to match those averages.
But this version wasn't much of a measuring stick for Marvel either, because to do this, he took their measuring stick, broke it in half like a baseball bat, and shoved the wide end of it up the rest of Marvel Earth's ass.
Originally posted by dmillsTwo or three decades or more you mean.
The question of the thread was How close could Thor come to bench pressing the Earth even once? Not How close could Thor come to bench pressing the the Earth even once oh and btw showings over a decade old don't count...
But, I still don't think it's been shown, even going back 20+ years, has it?
The most I saw, unless I missed it, was that half the planet one.
My net was off for a couple days and I just got back, so I'm catching up.
