It remains valid in the context of possibilities
Arguments are built on real feats that can be adequately evaluated. Funny thing is that you want others to prove that likes of Yoda and Sidious can resist his mental attack, when there is no prove that they can't. It's a mere speculation.
No. Din's interaction with Hero of Tython (at this point) is about the latter's previous encounter with Vitiate who broke him (the latter). The flashback is a hint that something happened during the bombardment phase; the Sith Emperor clouded the minds of the Jedi in darkness during the fight.
You don't know that.
Unlikely.
Unlikely for you. As I said assumptions won't prove anything anyway, so pointless discussing it.
Therefore, you point is NULL and VOID; and on the basis of your own disclosures.
How quick you are to dismiss things. If seing Mara was such a huge help in that example, then here is another two.
"Luke found he could sense the man in the Force - could do so without even reaching out for him. The man was a glowing light in the Force, a beacon in the midst of darkness. A beacon of darkness... but that suddenly didn't matter much.
Luke felt his breath go out of him. It was as though the roof had slowly collapsed and deposited two tons of dura-crete on his torso while he was distracted.
He glanced over at Face and Bhindi. They had the terminal running; the glow from its screen colored their faces blue. Bhindi removed a datacard from its slot in the terminal and made a noise of satisfaction. They were both utterly unaware of what Luke was seeing, feeling.
Luke knew that, when he turned his attention back to the distant viewport, the pale man would be gone; it was among the oldest tools in the bag of tricks of the makers of supernatural holodramas. But when he looked through the macrobinoculars again, the man was still there, motionless.
Luke unlatched the viewport's locks. All he had to do was step out on the walkway that now stretched between this building and the other. He could walk right up to this man and begin asking questions. But some faint stirring of alarm-his pilot's ability to glimpse and memorize topographical details-shook him out of the fog that had overcome his thinking.
There was no walkway before him. One step through this viewport and he'd plummet to his death.
The man's grin grew wider. Then he sidestepped and disappeared from sight." - As you see Luke got no help, yet, he still realized that something is not right.
“There was, however, a new priority. He was to switch off his lightsaber and then go attack the Yuuzhan Vong. He leapt to his feet and turned his weapon off. He could see Mara and Tahiri doing the same.
But that would mean dying-and, worse, failing.
No, it's what he had to do.
No, he couldn't do that. ”
As you see this time seing Mara didn't trigger any memories, it was a simple common sence that what Nyax wanted him to do was wrong.
Sincere advice: stop trying to manipulate information to suite your agenda. This shows your hypocrisy.
That’s what you do with your silly interpretations and assumptions based on possibilities.
It is obvious that Drew didn't wanted to explain the whole inside story of Vitiate's mental domination during this encounter when the author previously gave hints in the novel through the experiences of both Scourge and Revan.
It is obvious that your opinion proves nothing.
When Vitiate initiates mind domination, he bombards the opponent's mind with horrific images of his actions on Nathema (reflection of his EVIL, as once hinted by Revan) to overwhelm the opponent's senses and mental processes, and also exerts sufficient oppressing pressure on the opponent's mind to eventually break him/her through the power of the dark side. I know that this novel is not very well written but Drew's intended message can only be grasped by analyzing different tidbits of Vitiate's telepathic actions in the context of mental influence.
And, if Nyriss, story is somewhat true, then he mind dominated his father by showing images of how he was sucking his mother’s milk?
Anyway your opinion of how his mind domination works proves nothing.
So now you are will decide Drew's sentences? 🙄
No, just point out that you made misinterpretation.
You said: “The key word is 'when'; and not 'after'. The rest is mere detail of what Revan experienced during this process.”
Example:
"When he got a job at Hewlett Packard designing calculators, he slowed down his computer work." - Second part is result of what happened in first part. Same way breaking will is not a "process", it is something that happened.
Prove this.
I don’t need to. It was my assumption against your assumption. You can’t prove that he resisted darkside on first place.
Anyway I have proof.
Jedi that participated in war were put on trial by Order on return. Meetra herself was expelled from Order after trial, mere disagreements don't lead to such consequences. It is darkside choice to rush into war without trying to find peaceful solution first.
Atris:
"“What more is there to tell? She made the mistake of following you. You led her down the path to the dark side. She committed an unforgivable act, and for this the Council banished her.”"
Force push is a concentrated or focused effort. Revan unleashed power in its raw form; it wasn't concentrated or focused. This is more akin to the raw power unleashed by Bane in his attempt to collapse the entrance of a Temple to crush Kas'im.
Where do you get info that Force push has to be concentrated and focused? Every author describe TK all sorts of different ways. Fed up with arguing against your assumptions, will let wookieepedia do it.
This comes from Force push section:
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With practice, a skilled Force user could increase the range and arc of the blast without lowering the average kinetic energy, creating a blanketed wave instead of a focused impulse. Truly gifted practitioners could generate a concussive blast that would radiate from them for dozens of meters in all directions, detonating with the force of a conventional explosive.”
Seems to cover both Revan and Bane examples but most important that your assumption holds no more weight than this one.
she could never use the Force to re-energize herself. The only option left was to psychologically battle the impact of void as long as possible and she did so to avoid getting killed or consumed.
By your admission it is not a Force feat, since she couldn't use it.
Hahahaha, psychology helps to avoid getting killed or consumed by void??? Set yourself on fire and try to use psychology to burn longer. 😆
😘This is such a stupid argument that I am left speechless here.
"The Force flows through you like no other student we had ever seen before" (Jedi Council to Revan)
So Force flows better through Revan than other students. How does it prove that his potential is fully realized? Those were students, they were far away from their prime themselves.
Both Revan and Malak were battle-hardened warriors by this time. They fought in the battles themselves. They would have lot of feats to their name during the whole war. Only issue is that details are still missing.A glimpse of Malak in action:
Luke by RotJ had a lot of feats, yet, he was nowhere near to his prime. Kyle Katarn had hell lot of feats from two games, yet, later he succumbed to darkside on Dromund Kaas.
Build as much assumptions as you want, you can't prove it.
By the time, Mandalorian Wars ended, Revan's combat feats exceeded that of Ulic's.The former Jedi defeated a very powerful Mandalore in single combat
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