Who can lift Mjlonir?

BTW, I hope you aren't going to try and pass off Hercules using the technological copy that was created by Stark and Richards.

Because that would just prove that you have zero comic knowledge.

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Originally posted by zopzop
Well the whole "hell lord is supreme in their realm" thing is relatively recent no?

Even discounting that, there was the whole Galactus/Mephisto throwdown that was truly epic. Galactus needed to resort to eating Mephisto's realm for Mephisto to capitulate. Before that they were going toe to toe with neither side gaining the upper hand. I guess if we use that fight as a metric, then yes, Mephisto is more than capable of breaking Odin's enchantment (in his realm) and slagging and then recreating the hammer.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
He came back as the only one capable of weilding the gold ranger power, billy tried and failed....
I guess they are similar imho

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Originally posted by h1a8
Hercules has lifted it on panel.

Why repeat about Odin and Cap? That's a waste of time and typing.
I said WW only if crossovers count. If they don't then WW can lift it per OP stips.

CM is more worthy than Thor IMO
Batman is iffy and I don't see Cap being more worthy than him.

When did Hercules lift it on panel?

Billy is more "pure hearted" and innocent than Thor is, but being a nice guy isn't all that's required to lift the hammer. If that's the case, Balder would be worthy as would Peter Parker. You still need to have a sort of warrior's mentality such as being willing to take a life for the greater good. To that end, someone like Diana - not counting the crossover - would be more likely to lift it than Billy.

Batman's way too, well, Batman, to be able to lift the thing.

Herc can lift whatever he wants.

That's part of his powers.

Originally posted by Silent Master
[Regarding the Nul Serpent's hammer break] Hulk isn't overpowering Odin's enchantment.

Clarify please.

Are you saying:

a) Nul is not Hulk. He broke the Serpent Hammer through magic?

b) Hulk under ordinary conditions breaks the Serpent Hammer, but Odin magic is more powerful than Serpent Magic and can't be overcome through physical strength no matter how great?

or

c) even Nul Hulk WITH whatever magic Nul may have had could not break Thor's hammer or lift it. Odin enchantment is stronger than even Nul Hulk under almost any given set of conditions. Odin's enchantments beat even strength PLUS magic.

Hulk destroying the Serpent's Nul hammer doesn't mean he could do the same thing to Mjonir or lift it.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Hulk destroying the Serpent's Nul hammer doesn't mean he could do the same thing to Mjonir or lift it.

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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Hulk destroying the Serpent's Nul hammer doesn't mean he could do the same thing to Mjonir or lift it.

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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
When did Hercules lift it on panel?

Billy is more "pure hearted" and innocent than Thor is, but being a nice guy isn't all that's required to lift the hammer. If that's the case, Balder would be worthy as would Peter Parker. You still need to have a sort of warrior's mentality such as being willing to take a life for the greater good. To that end, someone like Diana - not counting the crossover - would be more likely to lift it than Billy.

Batman's way too, well, Batman, to be able to lift the thing.

He lifted it when both Thor and Herc fought switching roles. Or was that a fake Mjolnir?
Billy is brave, noble, etc. What characteristic that Thor and Cap have that Billy or Freddie don't have?

Parker is selfish and arrogant. I don't know much about Balder (did he try to lift Mjolnir before?)

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Hulk destroying the Serpent's Nul hammer doesn't mean he could do the same thing to Mjonir or lift it.

Originally posted by h1a8
He lifted it when both Thor and Herc fought switching roles. Or was that a fake Mjolnir?
Billy is brave, noble, etc. What characteristic that Thor and Cap have that Billy or Freddie don't have?

Parker is selfish and arrogant. I don't know much about Balder (did he try to lift Mjolnir before?)

Again, Hercules has never lifted Mjolnir.

Originally posted by h1a8
I say it does mean he can break Mjolnir though.

Prove it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, Hercules has never lifted Mjolnir.

Prove it.

Same material and enchanted by a skyfather and writer's intentions and Mjolnir has been broken by lesser force before. Follower of Jake

You'd have to prove writer intent.

Originally posted by h1a8
Same material and enchanted by a skyfather and writer's intentions and Mjolnir has been broken by lesser force before.

When has Mjolnir been broken by "less force"?

BTW, can you prove that the forging process was the same, that they had the exact same enchantments on them and that the skyfather's used the same amount of power?

I'm a little confused.

If Thor and Hercules are both of equal strength,

and Thor and Hercules are both sons of Skyfathers with equal godly rank --

why shouldn't Hercules be able to lift Mjolnir?

He's effectively the Greek equal and counterpart of Thor, right?

Or are the "worthiness" enchantments by Odin still harder to get past than that?
And if even Hercules is unworthy, what happened in the case of Storm and Beta Ray Bill?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I'm a little confused.

If Thor and Hercules are both of equal strength,

and Thor and Hercules are both sons of Skyfathers with equal godly rank --

why [b]shouldn't Hercules be able to lift Mjolnir?

He's effectively the Greek equal and counterpart of Thor, right?

Or are the "worthiness" enchantments by Odin still harder to get past than that?
And if even Hercules is unworthy, what happened in the case of Storm and Beta Ray Bill? [/B]

Strength and who your parents are have never been shown to matter in regards to being worthy.

Captain America, Zealot and Wonder Woman are my prime choices.

I would mention Majestro, but he falls somewhere in line with Gladiator. He is noble, he is a warrior but something is missing to make him trully worthy.