Originally posted by pym-ftw
She failed when she tried to Tp bob out of the void, this is purely void sentry.
That was Void-Sentry. She succeeded, she reasserted his mind and helped Bob to take control again and he flee'd the scene. This was explained by Fraction in an interview as well.
The Void is Sentry. They exist as one. The Void had completely taken over by that stage and locked Bob in a black room.
Originally posted by ExodusCloakShe had Xavier's help then. And while P5 Scott probably isn't a slouch in the telepathy arena, he probably still isn't anywhere near Xavier, who showed his superiority to the P5 individually when he laid P5 Namor to sleep easily. And I wouldn't be surprised to see Emma's talents affected by the Phoenixforce like the others.
That was Void-Sentry. She succeeded, she reasserted his mind and helped Bob to take control again and he flee'd the scene. This was explained by Fraction in an interview as well.The Void is Sentry. They exist as one. The Void had completely taken over by that stage and locked Bob in a black room.
Xmen vs Avengers was so bad.. So very, very bad.. >_<
But being bad never stopped characters from being used in vs. 😄
The thing is, the power scaling's hard to rationalize too.. And I don't just mean stuff like Luke Cage slugging it out with Namor, or Spidey lasting any length of time against Colossus and Magik (They try to excuse it as holding back, but have any P5 besides Scott ever held back before? And the two didn't hold back on each other, that's for sure.)
Basically:
Fully grown Shou Lao defeated/chased off the entire Phoenix Force.
Baby Shou Lao hurt P5 Scott with half the Phoenix Force, which is something only reality warping Wanda could do.
Danny Rand couldn't do jack against Scott.
Danny Rand defeated fully grown Shou Lao and drove his hands into his heart to gain the Iron Fist.
😱 What?
Now, I'm not arguing Danny should get bumped up to Phoenix level, but having Shou Lao fight on an even level with the entire PF is problematic, and calls into question every single feat in this series, since the power levels are just impossible to rationalize..
Originally posted by ODG
She had Xavier's help then. And while P5 Scott probably isn't a slouch in the telepathy arena, he probably still isn't anywhere near Xavier, who showed his superiority to the P5 individually when he laid P5 Namor to sleep easily. And I wouldn't be surprised to see Emma's talents affected by the Phoenixforce like the others.
She used him as a battery, he was too drained to actually help. And all he did was help get her back into her white room, she was the one who lobotomised the Sentry. Her powers are amped here. Also Bendis' Phoenix 5 didn't all have telepathy see the Red Hulk issue and why Emma was the most dangerous to Ross because she was the only character with telepathy. The editors got it wrong there, half the writers had the Phoenix boost only the P5s main mutations. So Namor only got a strength, Durability and flight boost under the Phoenix, cyclops only got an optic blast boost etc. The other half wrote them with TK, and TP too. Bendis Emma had human strength as a Phoenix her diamond form strength was boosted though.
Originally posted by cdtm
Xmen vs Avengers was so bad.. So very, very bad.. >_<But being bad never stopped characters from being used in vs. 😄
The thing is, the power scaling's hard to rationalize too.. And I don't just mean stuff like Luke Cage slugging it out with Namor, or Spidey lasting any length of time against Colossus and Magik (They try to excuse it as holding back, but have any P5 besides Scott ever held back before? And the two didn't hold back on each other, that's for sure.)
Basically:
Fully grown Shou Lao defeated/chased off the entire Phoenix Force.
Baby Shou Lao hurt P5 Scott with half the Phoenix Force, which is something only reality warping Wanda could do.
Danny Rand couldn't do jack against Scott.
Danny Rand defeated fully grown Shou Lao and drove his hands into his heart to gain the Iron Fist.
😱 What?
Now, I'm not arguing Danny should get bumped up to Phoenix level, but having Shou Lao fight on an even level with the entire PF is problematic, and calls into question every single feat in this series, since the power levels are just impossible to rationalize..
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Originally posted by ExodusCloakEmma was still assisted by Xavier. So how little or how much you want to quantify that help is cause for argument and speculation, but nowhere near as conclusive as you're making it out to be. P5 Scott had telepathy. Global-scale, in fact. Read AvX Infinite #1 right before he goes to the Moon. That you do acknowledge that they displayed telepathy sometimes, and sometimes didn't even bother, isn't really relevant. Just because they didn't use a power in a comic (or one character thinks they don't have one) doesn't mean they didn't possess a power. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.
She used him as a battery, he was too drained to actually help. And all he did was help get her back into her white room, she was the one who lobotomised the Sentry. Her powers are amped here. Also Bendis' Phoenix 5 didn't all have telepathy see the Red Hulk issue and why Emma was the most dangerous to Ross because she was the only character with telepathy. The editors got it wrong there, half the writers had the Phoenix boost only the P5s main mutations. So Namor only got a strength, Durability and flight boost under the Phoenix, cyclops only got an optic blast boost etc. The other half wrote them with TK, and TP too. Bendis Emma had human strength as a Phoenix her diamond form strength was boosted though.
Originally posted by ODG
Emma was still assisted by Xavier. So how little or how much you want to quantify that help is cause for argument and speculation, but nowhere near as conclusive as you're making it out to be. P5 Scott had telepathy. Global-scale, in fact. Read AvX Infinite #1 right before he goes to the Moon. That you do acknowledge that they displayed telepathy sometimes, and sometimes didn't even bother, isn't really relevant. Just because they didn't use a power in a comic (or one character thinks they don't have one) doesn't mean they didn't possess a power. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.
Not really because the issue specifies what exactly Xavier helped. He helped her gain access to the White Room which was stated but did not help with the lobotomy because he wasn't assaulted by the Void, Emma only was. Secondly, the machine that Dark Beast used on Nate Grey and Beast took their mutations away. Beast started losing his fur and Nate Grey lost his telepathy and most of his telekinesis. Xavier was drained tremendously and Emma's telepathy is amped by the Phoenix Force here.
That's one of the inconsistencies I was referring to. Another inconsistency was that Emma was able to locate Hope but Cyclops wasn't. And the fact that they required Emma to blow up the Sinister telepathic hive mind not any of the others. But if you want to go by that then Namor did not display any telepathy in the entire crossover. Cyclops was the only person who displayed telepathy sometimes the others did not suffer the inconsistency. It was established that the P5 were different. Cyclops also had super strength. Emma and Magik didn't.
Not to mention that Cyclops without telepathy and non-amped contained a sliver of the Void.