Gandalf the White vs. Yoda vs. Dumbledore

Originally posted by quanchi112
In the beginning of the video we see Yoda counter Dooku's tking structures off and at him. All of which takes about two seconds or so. If we break down these fights and tally how long each action/reaction takes it doesn't look so hot for Yoda either. Yoda is supposed to be this precog totin speedster to boot.

30-34 seconds in as Dooku destroys the ceiling atop Yoda we see Yoda barely stop it right above his head against a 4 second attack. Not very impressive but then again you started this let's time everything out sort of debate.

Yoda is a little further back and does block Dooku's bolts which are far less powerful than Palpatine's; obviously. The funny thing is Palpatine with this force lightning has never shown anything impressive power wise to begin with.

2.08 in with Yoda's saber touching dooku's he starts like a [B]15 second process which was designed to injure/kill Yoda's friends. We see Yoda take that long to react and stop it while Dooku runs safely away. [/B]

Its power =/= the others speed. And I don't think youve got the hand on timing yet, cause everything was countered O.o

If this was in response to me listing the times of Dumbledoor, that was to list all the reactions from that scene to find the best one, 1 second. Just like how him taking 12 seconds to react to the glass means nothing here,

Slower reaction feats only matter if a character fails to react to something. In this case Yoda has proven to be able to counter Force lightning.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Except that Dumbles is neither a force user or possessing attacks faster than a blast bolt, you're essentially ignoring Yoda's capabilities and picking out whatever scenes fit your bias by taking them out of the context of the series.

So, in short, no. Lol. You have done nothing to prove Dumbledore could land a hit on Yoda. That is what you have to do, simply attempting to discredit Yoda doesn't cut it.

Yoda can easily kill a grunt with a laser gun. We see Yoda fail to take out someone with far slower attacks than a grunt with a laser gun due to their high skill level.

15 seconds is a long time when all Yoda had to do was stab Dooku with his saber while he focused on the large objects designed to kill Yoda's allies.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Its power =/= the others speed. And I don't think youve got the hand on timing yet, cause everything was countered O.o

If this was in response to me listing the times of Dumbledoor, that was to list all the reactions from that scene to find the best one, 1 second. Just like how him taking 12 seconds to react to the glass means nothing here,

Slower reaction feats only matter if a character fails to react to something. In this case Yoda has proven to be able to counter Force lightning.

In the Dooku 15 second tk tactic all Yoda had to do was stab him. They were almost right on top of each other. Yoda just stood by and waited to react about 15 seconds. This was shameful. 15 seconds. Draw his sword back and kill him. That's how easy it could have been but his slow reactions allowed dooku to escape.

Yoda can counter weaker force lightning not Palpatine's. Even when he tried to block Palpatine's after he disarmed him the blast sent them both back. Yoda got shafted off the pod as well.

Iirc the only time force lightning was used against Yoda with his saber it disarmed him. You don't have one single example of Yoda blocking force lightning with his saber only with his hands and in that event it depends on the power of the attack what happens next.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Everything was countered in the Voldemort/Dumbledore fight as well. You were spitting out the timing of the attacks but when I did the same thing you want to ignore this because it makes Yoda look far worse. You started this game and now you don't want to play. The best part is whoever I got into this battlezone will be caught with their pants down because if you think my responses will lack evidence you are all sadly mistaken.

In the Dooku 15 second tk tactic all Yoda had to do was stab him. They were almost right on top of each other. Yoda just stood by and waited to react about 15 seconds. This was shameful. 15 seconds. Draw his sword back and kill him. That's how easy it could have been but his slow reactions allowed dooku to escape.

Yoda can counter weaker force lightning not Palpatine's. Even when he tried to block Palpatine's after he disarmed him the blast sent them both back. Yoda got shafted off the pod as well.

Iirc the only time force lightning was used against Yoda with his saber it disarmed him. You don't have one single example of Yoda blocking force lightning with his saber only with his hands and in that event it depends on the power of the attack what happens next.

..Okay, I'll spell it out for you; I listed the times in that fight because /you/ stated that there were impressive reaction times in that scene, so I delighted every possible one you could have been talking about and kept the fastest.

On the other hand you've taken the slowest reaction time you could find and are sticking to it as a fac. You're doing the exact opposite to what I did 😬 If you're gonna time at least do it right.

"Yoda cannot counter Palpys lightning" "Yoda blocked Palpys lightning and were both thrown back", so he did block it as we saw, like you admitted.

The only thing you have against Yoda is two off-guard moments, thats all. And are somehow only comparing moments like this to Dubledoor's human reactions. Human.

Originally posted by BloodRain
..Okay, I'll spell it out for you; I listed the times in that fight because /you/ stated that there were impressive reaction times in that scene, so I delighted every possible one you could have been talking about and [b]kept the fastest.

On the other hand you've taken the slowest reaction time you could find and are sticking to it as a fac. You're doing the exact opposite to what I did 😬 If you're gonna time at least do it right.

"Yoda cannot counter Palpys lightning" "Yoda blocked Palpys lightning and were both thrown back", so he did block it as we saw, like you admitted.

The only thing you have against Yoda is two off-guard moments, thats all. And are somehow only comparing moments like this to Dubledoor's human reactions. Human. [/B]

You brought up 12 second reaction times and when I eclipse it you try to distance yourself. I've seen this sort of hypocritical tactic before. Don't break down numbers in these scenes if you can't deal with me doing the same to Yoda.

Yoda also felt the effect unlike against Dooku. That's a major difference due to Palpatine being more powerful. Both were struck by it at the end. In the Dooku instance Yoda easily blocked it.

Precog. Palpatine also tells him he's going to lay into him and yet you still pretend this doesn't count. The attack took longer than Yoda's precog, common sense, and his hand block could account for. deal with it. He was hit by something a human could have blocked. A human.

Also there is no proof Yoda can block this with his saber. Dumbledore disarms him right out of the gate. Dumbledore is also more powerful than Palpatine proving Yoda can't redirect the force.

Dumbles is not more powerful than Palpatine, nor can he disarm Yoda because he can't land an expeliarmus on the little green guy. Yoda doesn't even need to deflect the spells, just avoid them, which he is easily capable of doing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You brought them up but Dumbledore countered them all unlike Yoda. Yoda's longest reaction times seemed worse than dumbledore but it doesn't matter as Dumbledore wasn't ko'd.

You brought up 12 second reaction times and when I eclipse it you try to distance yourself. I've seen this sort of hypocritical tactic before. Don't break down numbers in these scenes if you can't deal with me doing the same to Yoda.

Yoda also felt the effect unlike against Dooku. That's a major difference due to Palpatine being more powerful. Both were struck by it at the end. In the Dooku instance Yoda easily blocked it.

Precog. Palpatine also tells him he's going to lay into him and yet you still pretend this doesn't count. The attack took longer than Yoda's precog, common sense, and his hand block could account for. deal with it. He was hit by something a human could have blocked. A human.

Also there is no proof Yoda can block this with his saber. Dumbledore disarms him right out of the gate. Dumbledore is also more powerful than Palpatine proving Yoda can't redirect the force.

Okay, once again you're failing to grasp how things are done. "Then we look at Dumbledoor whose best reaction feat takes a whole second to do." My second post on the matter.
Like Ive said.. several times now.. I was listing every single reaction part from the vid because [b]you[.b] said there was impressive feats, I listed them all out for you. Then I stated Im only using his fastest one, not the 12 second glass scene. Either youre being ignorant or just don't get how reaction feats work.

Yoda's been blocked both Force lightnings.. that fact does not change. Saying he's unable to or that its not to do with being blah mindset blah, doesnt change the fact that Yoda has done so against both of them.

Quan, you can see Yoda forced Palpatine back during the lightning absorption part. Its when he pushes back that it explodes.

Simple tactic; Yoda uses the Force and flicks Dumbledore's wand from his hand. Not much he can do without it.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Simple tactic; Yoda uses the Force and flicks Dumbledore's wand from his hand. Not much he can do without it.

Which makes this thread now about Yoda and Gandalf. I like Gandalf more but I don't think Glamdring can compete with a lightsaber. mmm

Mind sharing some feats of Gandelf? Can only recall small things from the movie and.. well, you seem like the type thats read and watched the LotR series a dozen times now :T

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Dumbles is not more powerful than Palpatine, nor can he disarm Yoda because he can't land an expeliarmus on the little green guy. Yoda doesn't even need to deflect the spells, just avoid them, which he is easily capable of doing.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Okay, once again you're failing to grasp how things are done. "Then we look at Dumbledoor whose best reaction feat takes a whole second to do." My second post on the matter.
Like Ive said.. several times now.. I was listing every single reaction part from the vid because [b]you[.b] said there was impressive feats, I listed them all out for you. Then I stated Im only using his fastest one, not the 12 second glass scene. Either youre being ignorant or just don't get how reaction feats work.

Yoda's been blocked both Force lightnings.. that fact does not change. Saying he's unable to or that its not to do with being blah mindset blah, doesnt change the fact that Yoda has done so against both of them.

Yoda blocked the first one yes with his hands not his saber. The second blast disarmed him and he was also hit by the residual blast as was Palpatine. Yoda went off the pod. Palpatine got the better of him and was laughing his ass off at the failure that was Yoda. All Yoda does is fail.

A more powerful force lightning blast Yoda can't simply redirect like he did against Dooku.

Originally posted by Pwned
Quan, you can see Yoda forced Palpatine back during the lightning absorption part. Its when he pushes back that it explodes.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he most certainly is. It's absurd to say otherwise. I mean Luke Skywalker survived a very long torture session which lead into an I am going to kill you now with my force lightning. Luke has no sustaining injuries and walked away as if it was a headache then just went away. What jedi did Yoda disarm with his tk in the movies ? Dumbledore also has tk you ignoramus.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Mind sharing some feats of Gandelf? Can only recall small things from the movie and.. well, you seem like the type thats read and watched the LotR series a dozen times now :T

Hmph, some nerd you are.

Out of the two from what I remember from the films, I'd obviously have to give Yoda the win over Gandalf for his speed, TK and Lightsaber.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You didn't just cite the best one you listed them all. I listed a 15 second reaction in which all Yoda had to do was pull his sword away and stab his opponent who was using all his concentration elsewhere.

Yoda blocked the first one yes with his hands not his saber. The second blast disarmed him and he was also hit by the residual blast as was Palpatine. Yoda went off the pod. Palpatine got the better of him and was laughing his ass off at the failure that was Yoda. All Yoda does is fail.

A more powerful force lightning blast Yoda can't simply redirect like he did against Dooku.

You didn't give me a specific feat so I listed each one to see which was impressive, which I found. But its still only human reaction speed (0.2s).

Yeah, with his TK he blocked the lightning on three occasions. That proves that he has the reactions to do so. Meaning he could do so to the spells too.
And as that 'cant react to skilled opponents' nothing is done, that still leaves Yoda with blaster deflection which puts his reactions above any humans, as no man could use a sword to deflect rapid shot anythings fired from several locations.

Stop getting to a personal level for characters you debate against.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
What's he gonna do, "Accio Yoda!"? Bring the little green guy with a lightsaber within easy killing range? haermm Not that he can keep him out of it. 😐

Good thing Yoda's powers don't rely on his lightsaber, unlike Dumbledore's wand. Yoda can actually take away all of Dumble's power with a simple forcepush. haermm

Originally posted by BloodRain
Hmph, some nerd you are.

Out of the two from what I remember from the films, I'd obviously have to give Yoda the win over Gandalf for his speed, TK and Lightsaber.

You didn't give me a specific feat so I listed each one to see which was impressive, which I found. But its still only human reaction speed (0.2s).

Yeah, with his TK he blocked the lightning on three occasions. That proves that he has the reactions to do so. Meaning he could do so to the spells too.
And as that 'cant react to skilled opponents' nothing is done, that still leaves Yoda with blaster deflection which puts his reactions above any humans, as no man could use a sword to deflect rapid shot anythings fired from several locations.

Stop getting to a personal level for characters you debate against.

Yoda only blocked the lightning with his hands. He was disarmed when he tried blocking it with the saber so that isn't an option. Dumbledore disarms him right out of the gate. We also see the severity or the force of the attack matters since Yoda couldn't simply redirect the power. He was also hit by as was Palpatine. Yoda was on the worse end of the stick since he fell off the pod.

Again back to the grunt debating. It's pathetic. No, really it is. I have already proven my case hands down.

Dumbledore beats them both.