Originally posted by carver9
@Oliver...I understand your intake on this but Magneto doesn't have to manipulate anything to win this, his power output is sufficient enough. Also, are you referring to the classic showing with Thor and Magneto? Magneto has gained a power increase since then. Do you know of a time Magneto shields has been breached.?
thats what I mean though, by that logic, shields = win
Originally posted by carver9
I'm trying to understand something here. You are using Superman powers at its best but you are using Magneto powers at its average.😕
Really?
I'm not ignoring anything, I don't think Magneto's best shields are capable of stopping a no-holding-back assault from Superman for very long.
But you are correct, I can't name a time they have been breached, and by that logic, they can't be, therefore win.
Originally posted by -Pr-
"Power output" somehow doesn't involve manipulating things, when that's Magneto's primary power?Superman on average is more powerful than Magneto's average, tbh.
Also, no limit fallacies = bad.
I agree...can't see Magneto "not" using his manipulating powers but his blasting powers can also be a game changer.
I disagree with average Superman being more powerful than an average Magneto. Both are high Heralds. Magneto is a consistent team wrecker.
Originally posted by carver9
I agree...can't see Magneto "not" using his manipulating powers but his blasting powers can also be a game changer.I disagree with average Superman being more powerful than an average Magneto. Both are high Heralds. Magneto is a consistent team wrecker.
His blasting isn't as effective as his manipulation. And it's not like Superman is unused to energy attacks.
Superman is as much a team wrecker as Magneto is, so I really don't see why bringing that up is supposed to mean anything.
Originally posted by -Pr-
His blasting isn't as effective as his manipulation. And it's not like Superman is unused to energy attacks.
I think what Carver is trying to say, relevant to the thread, is that Magneto can beat DCnU Superman in direct battle. He doesn't have to resort to manipulating Superman's solar energy to get a win.
If that IS what Carver's saying, I agree.
Originally posted by -Pr-Superman is as much a team wrecker as Magneto is, so I really don't see why bringing that up is supposed to mean anything.
That's easy:
Magneto has extensive EXPERIENCE in multi-tasking, fighting multiple opponents, and dealing (generally non-lethally) with people of differing power levels.
For that matter, I, in turn, must question you: what relevance does it have if Superman's average power output IS higher than Magneto's when
A) Magneto is generally fighting people who require less force to put down and only uses great force when necessary (it doesn't take Black Adam level force to knockout Gambit or Wolverine, for instance)
and
B) we're talking again about PRIME, not low-average, Magneto?
Originally posted by -Pr-
His blasting isn't as effective as his manipulation. And it's not like Superman is unused to energy attacks.Superman is as much a team wrecker as Magneto is, so I really don't see why bringing that up is supposed to mean anything.
I don't think it'll be easy for either of them and I agree, Superman can withstand attacks from Magneto...that's why I said this battle is highly debatable.
Can't see Superman taking on a team that includes Thor and actually having an advantage. Don't think even you would think he is capable of a ft like that.
Originally posted by Oliver North
so you are suggesting, what? he is holding back?not really, no... there are lots of "team busters" who aren't high herald
I'm suggesting "he is fighting in character" which means, he is holding back just like every other hero high Herald does.
Magneto have the fts of being in the high herald class.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Given that magneto doesn't fights with his shield on most of the time, I've a hard time seeing him remain conscious for long.
He starts the fight with shields up, which have a great track record in of themselves. To that end, Erik can readily hurt or stagger Superman easier than vice versa. Not to say Superman can't eventually overwhelm or tax him, though.