Originally posted by Eminence
probably incompatible.And I don't want to post a review. I liked it, okay? It didn't rustle my jimmies as much as Revenge of the Sith; canonically, it's probably the most important novel in the era, and certainly redeems the prequel trilogy at large more than any other EU material I'm familiar with, the best of which (ROTS included) tends just to make the movies look bad; I will take marginally greater pleasure in Palpatine's death when a viewing of the saga is complete; I have a greater appreciation for Plagueis and his less gaudy brand of Sith; and Qui-Gon Jinn is given his due as a figure of paramount strategic importance, martial prowess, and object of pansentient sexual fancy.
This sounds like a review to me.
What did you think of the follow up chapter to Plagueis's brawl with the Maladians?
The_Tempest
This sounds like a review to me.What did you think of the follow up chapter to Plagueis's brawl with the Maladians?
That said, his relationship with Maul was an unexpected high point.
It's certainly possible his outlook evolved from one to the other; he was, after all, seventeen when he made his only proclamation to that effect and twenty seven/eight during the massacre at the embassy; his relationship with a Dathomiri Zabrak is appropriately described as "filial" and is his only evident attachment; and nothing damning arises in his final monologue to Plagueis, by which point he is in his fifties. Besides, Gran are stupid and everyone knows it.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDNot when your opponent is at the peak of his powers.
For someone as powerful and lethal in the Force as Vitiate or close, it would be (logically) easy to destroy such clone bodies in a duel which are vulnerable to the impact of dark side energies. Continue to read below.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDHow am i the one being incompetent when you're the one not getting my point? This is why everyone calls you out on being a horrible debater, you don't actually grasp at peoples point, you grasp at straws, making an argument to which i wasn't even arguing about.
You don't get to hide your incompetence with such taunts.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAnd my argument was about clone bodies, not about who is the better one, so tell me, who is the incompetent one?
Here is the thread title for you: [B]DE Sidious -vs- The Emperor (Lord Vitiate)[/B]
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDSee the above.
Which opponent for Sidious do you think I would be keeping in mind when I am making a point in this thread? Huh?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDOh please, you asked me to show you one clone that survived for more than a year, and i showed you the said clones which DID survive. And then you change your stance on the matter all of a sudden by claiming points which you did not specify in any of your earlier posts.
🙄When you loose an argument, is this your usual taunt in response? Self-proclaimed competent one?
So yes, the fact remains is you ARE the incompetent one. Oh and its "Lose" not "Loose", brush up on your english paki.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDOh please, go read Empire's end and read my earlier post you nut.
Calling upon the Force shouldn't have an impact on the condition of a clone body IMO unless I am missing something in this context.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDIF it manages to hit Sidious to begin with.
So (as an example) if Vitiate bombards Sidious's clone body with his extremely potent Force Lightning; the clone body will simply age further? Your competence is praise worthy.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDBecause of your incompetence ,low intelligence and pig headedness,
And you failed to make any sense out of it.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDSo from threats like "I will responded in harsher ways" to " I will get you banned". I guess you really can't come up with a better insult huh? Try it you smelly paki.
Empty threats do not scare me. If you continue down this road, I will make sure that you get banned.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWhich again you looked up on wookiepedia which then again cites these sources. Because honestly? When i really wanted to know if using force powers or the dark side would age palpatines body faster? I did look it up there. And so did you.
This source has been cited: Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDBecause of your stubbornness
Which is inadequate.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDReally? You didn't even respond to my post, so how can i respond to something that doesn't have a response to? Or are you this stupid as a paki to not understand this simple concept?
I can say the same about you.
Again, ill post it for you "How is it possible, that Sidious is even alive on a dark side nexus which has dark side energies ravaging the entire planet while at the same time not ravaging his body?(Byss)."
Your response: "Apples and Oranges", not worth a reply.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDJust read Dark empire where palpatine outright states it himself, or Empires end where Palpatines dying sabotaged clone body is even further deteriorated everytime he uses the force.
Mention the quotes and page numbers.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDNo, but unleashing the powers everytime adds to his deterioration, something i kept mentioning hundreds of times backed up with the comic empires end which actually shows thiswhich you are obviously too stubborn and dumb for a 29 year old to acknowledge.Like I said, did he unleash his deadly powers on himself to test the durability of his clone bodies?
Heck, you even agreed with it in one of the earlier posts, but i don't understand why do you still keep arguing about it? One post you agree to it, the next post, you argue.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDIrrelevant.
Get the memo? My stand on this matter is crystal clear since the start of this thread.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDI did, but in the last post that i quoted you, you asked me to show you ONE clone that lasted for more than a year, you DID NOT specify in that post and it is YOUR fault that you did not.
If you would have bothered to check my very first response in this thread, you would have noticed that I am talking about Palpatine's imperfect clones in this thread. Its not my fault if you lack in common sense and skim through pages.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWhen did i say using wookie as a source is bad? Hmm? All i did is state you used wookiepedia to read this bit of info, thats it. Did i say its useless? Oh, its the typical legend argument, "grasping at straws", ha.So what? Wookieepedia makes it convenient for the potential readers to determine the sources from which the information has been gathered. If Wiki is such a useless medium, why the hell so many people consult it?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDOnly problem is they are way more intelligent than you.No. Members (Nai) and (Nephthys) take interest in both modern era and ancient era lores. Yet, they keep an open mind. Even member (DARTH POWER) keeps an open mind regardless of him not taking much interest in the ancient era lore. Their would be few more.
Nephthys? This guy actually argues really intelligently and he isn't a stubborn donkey unlike you. You get proven wrong, you still argue until your fingers become sore.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
But then you have members (The_Tempest), (SIDIOUS 66) and few others like these who will always debate in favour of modern era lore and are beyond reasoning.
Have never seen you debate for a modern era character.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDSo you DO admit to being a fanboy. Case closed.
It feels good to keep a check on PT/OT fanboyism.I have my reasons.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDBy cancelling out their force attacks, something which a very injured and inexperienced suit vader was able to do in RODV.
Enlighten me.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDHows it a consession when you state that palpatine summoned a force storm on coruscant and i said ok? Considering i already knew he did that.
Concession accepted again.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDInadequate answer. No answer for this argument?
Inadequate point.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWow seriously? You get proven wrong and all you can argue is "Until this duel is canonically explained"? Welcome to the ignore list.
In the 'finalized version' of this duel;Initially, Vitiate summoned some phantoms without himself participating in the fight. After those phantoms were struck down, Vitiate then approached the position of Hero of Tython and resumed the fight. During this scenario, Vitiate summoned more phantoms alongside himself to confuse Hero of Tython.
Until this duel is canonically explained, it would be useless exercise to debate on whose point of view is correct.
As far as the cutscenes go(which are canon and which > your opinions), that was the only point where Vitiate summoned the phantoms and the fact that you're wrong in your initial post about the hero getting confused to where the real Vitiate is.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Not when your opponent is at the peak of his powers.
I see him getting handled with TK; let alone Force Lightning.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
How am i the one being incompetent when you're the one not getting my point? This is why everyone calls you out on being a horrible debater, you don't actually grasp at peoples point, you grasp at straws, making an argument to which i wasn't even arguing about.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
And my argument was about clone bodies, not about who is the better one, so tell me, who is the incompetent one?
See the above.
Spare me the useless banther and just read my first response in this thread. If you can read properly, you will figure out that I am talking about Palpatine's clones only. No Starkiller and blah blah.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Oh please, you asked me to show you one clone that survived for more than a year, and i showed you the said clones which DID survive. And then you change your stance on the matter all of a sudden by claiming points which you did not specify in any of your earlier posts.
As far as I remember, the very first clone that Palpatine inhabited was used for recuperating rather then in combat.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
So yes, the fact remains is you ARE the incompetent one. Oh and its "Lose" not "Loose", brush up on your english paki.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Oh please, go read Empire's end and read my earlier post you nut.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
IF it manages to hit Sidious to begin with.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Because of your incompetence ,low intelligence and pig headedness,
Originally posted by shinkoryu
So from threats like "I will responded in harsher ways" to " I will get you banned". I guess you really can't come up with a better insult huh? Try it you smelly paki.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Which again you looked up on wookiepedia which then again cites these sources. Because honestly? When i really wanted to know if using force powers or the dark side would age palpatines body faster? I did look it up there. And so did you.Because of your stubbornness
Really? You didn't even respond to my post, so how can i respond to something that doesn't have a response to? Or are you this stupid as a paki to not understand this simple concept?Again, ill post it for you "How is it possible, that Sidious is even alive on a dark side nexus which has dark side energies ravaging the entire planet while at the same time not ravaging his body?(Byss)."
Your response: "Apples and Oranges", not worth a reply.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Just read Dark empire where palpatine outright states it himself, or Empires end where Palpatines dying sabotaged clone body is even further deteriorated everytime he uses the force.No, but unleashing the powers everytime adds to his deterioration, something i kept mentioning hundreds of times backed up with the comic empires end which actually shows thiswhich you are obviously too stubborn and dumb for a 29 year old to acknowledge.
Now try to comprehend this:
---Intended point---
Part of the inherently corrupt nature of Palpatine's life force causes his new clone bodies to decay at a greatly accelerated rate. As his bodies age, he finds himself having to expend greater numbers of Force Points and Character Points to avoid having his body consumed by his own corruption. (DE Sourcebook)
No where I have implied that Palpatine's clone bodies will get destroyed in a few moments when he uses the Force. He isn't channeling such power on himself to verify the durability of his clone bodies. Why would he? Is he stupid?
Obviously, Sidious can unleash such powers with the Force that he can rip his own clone bodies to shreds with them, if he directly channels them on to his clone bodies. This scenario is vastly different from the scenario in which his clone bodies deteriorate through indirect exposure to dark side energies.
Direct exposure (very damaging) vs Indirect exposure (not much damaging)
Now Vitiate himself can unleash devastating dark side powers to overwhelm 'even the defensive abilities' of his opponents; and not just disintegrate defenceless bodies. His dark side powers are lethal enough to melt natural bodies of even those individuals who were extraordinarily proficient in defending themselves against powers of the dark side otherwise.
The situation of DE Sidious is not good. He, regardless of his power, isn't proficient in Tutaminis, and his clones are vulnerable to the effects of the dark side. Vitiate can easily destroy Sidious's clone bodies by bombarding them with his lethal Force powers.
---Intended point---
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Heck, you even agreed with it in one of the earlier posts, but i don't understand why do you still keep arguing about it? One post you agree to it, the next post, you argue.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Irrelevant.
Now try to comprehend this point:
---Intended point---
Bodies; natural or unnatural; by themselves offer no form of defence against the power of the dark side.
As an example Darth Nyriss reduced two soldiers to charred smoking husks in split-second with just a normal burst of Force Lightning as per her standards. Obviously, these soldiers weren't clones and possessed natural bodies.
A trained Force-wielder, however, can shield his/her body from damage from the harmful effects of the dark side powers. This doesn't implies that such defensive abilities cannot be overcome.
---Intended point---
Originally posted by shinkoryu
I did, but in the last post that i quoted you, you asked me to show you ONE clone that lasted for more than a year, you DID NOT specify in that post and it is YOUR fault that you did not.
When did i say using wookie as a source is bad? Hmm? All i did is state you used wookiepedia to read this bit of info, thats it. Did i say its useless? Oh, its the typical legend argument, "grasping at straws", ha.
Only problem is they are way more intelligent than you.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Nephthys? This guy actually argues really intelligently and he isn't a stubborn donkey unlike you. You get proven wrong, you still argue until your fingers become sore.But then you have members S_W_legend who will always debate in favour of ancient era lore and are beyond reasoning.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Have never seen you debate for a modern era character.
So you DO admit to being a fanboy. Case closed.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
By cancelling out their force attacks, something which a very injured and inexperienced suit vader was able to do in RODV.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Hows it a consession when you state that palpatine summoned a force storm on coruscant and i said ok? Considering i already knew he did that.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Inadequate answer. No answer for this argument?
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Wow seriously? You get proven wrong and all you can argue is "Until this duel is canonically explained"? Welcome to the ignore list.
I will prove you wrong now.
Sith Emperor having conversation with Hero of Tython after approaching the position of the latter:
Fight reumes:
One can easily notice Sith Emperor capable of forming his duplicates during combat.
Ignoring is what incompetent guys can do when they face the heat.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
As far as the cutscenes go(which are canon and which > your opinions), that was the only point where Vitiate summoned the phantoms and the fact that you're wrong in your initial post about the hero getting confused to where the real Vitiate is.
Fact is that Vitiate's powers and abilities are canonically defined in the games. User defined actions are not canon. In contrast, Vitiate's talents and abiliites are absolutely canon.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAs good as his offensive powers.
How good are Sidious's defensive abilities?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDDitto to Vitiate.
I see him getting handled with TK; let alone Force Lightning.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDConcentrate on being less of an idiot, being more specific and a more competent debater.
Baseless/useless flings; nothing constructive. Concentrate on explanations instead.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDIf its nothing constructive, why are you engaged in the debate? More proof of you incompetence.
Again baseless/useless flings; nothing constructive.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDIf you actually had any intelligence, common sense and not outright dumb, you would have forseen my answer and had been more specific.
Spare me the useless banther and just read my first response in this thread. If you can read properly, you will figure out that I am talking about Palpatine's clones only. No Starkiller and blah blah.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDMore than you'd like to think. Summoning one hyperspace wormhole itself requires an unimaginable amount of power. Simple force powers he did in EE brought him to the door step of death, in his original stable clones, summoning one of the most powerful techniques did barely anything to his clone body.
And how many Force-feats did Palpatine performed with this clone? In short, how much was this clone body abused indirectly?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAnd?
[B]
As far as I remember, the very first clone that Palpatine inhabited was used for recuperating rather then in combat.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDNo, actually im very proud of you being proud about your nationality. Im just calling you a "Paki" affectionately, if you want to turn this into a nationality war, then i would say kudos to your nation for hiding the most dangerous man in the world, osama bin laden for the past 10 years till he got a bullet pumped into him. 😆
[B]
I am proud of my nationality. It seems as if this somehow bothers you enough. Maybe you aren't so proud about yours. Hmm!
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDThen shut up.
[B]
Would do. Thanks for mentioning the name of the source.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWell, it is true that its hard to defend against massive scale powers like FLS or hyperspace wormholes, which would mean either one is dead should these techniques actually be unleashed, this would bring a pure force fight into who is able to strike first.
[B]
Sidious has never been very good at defending himself. His best bet is to go on the offensive. However, openings still can materialize and exploited.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDYou use alot of these statements too so quit being a hypocrite.
[B]
Stick to explanations rather then baseless/useless statements.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAtleast i do both better than you do.
[B]
It seems that you only know how to insult rather then debate. Smart @sses these days; seriously. 🙄
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAh yes, im not an "english man", i don't come from the UK nor is my background of english origin hun. And by the way, the UK is a way more developed country than your third world stinkhole that allowed a very notorious terrorist to hide in, and not to mention that plenty of brits i know are very well groomed , well mannered and polite.
[B]
I bath daily unlike the dirty English people like you who overwhelmingly use perfumes and such materials to conceal their stinkiness.
Not like the rest of you curry licking donkeys who flock into other countries. Btw, did you know that 9/10 of pakistani born paki's migrate overseas because of how shitty your cuntry is?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDSo this is the only response to come up with? Your entire argument on this matter was how dark side energies would further ravage Palpatine.
[B]
Useless crap. Straw man arguments.
Simply put, you conceded your argument.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDYou obviously didn't get my point because you refuse to listen nor do you actually bother checking the source.
I have fully understood your point. In your case; I cannot say the same.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDNowhere did i imply did you state this, learn to be less stupid.No where I have implied that Palpatine's clone bodies will get destroyed in a few moments when he uses the Force.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWas this a point any of us brought up? So why are you grasping at straws again?He isn't channeling such power on himself to verify the durability of his clone bodies. Why would he? Is he stupid?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDIsn't that common sense? Or do you just lack them?
Obviously, Sidious can unleash such powers with the Force that he can rip his own clone bodies to shreds with them, if he directly channels them on to his clone bodies.
You're not even responding to my arguments, your coming up with something completely different.
I stated numerous times that the last clone body of palpatine, a sabotaged one, was brought to the doorstep of death by even unleashing less lethal powers like a mild force lightning or a force choke.
Thus common sense would tell you, that if such small scale powers brought him to the brink of death, what would summoning a large storm do to his clone body? The answer? It would finalize his decay and kill his clone body.
Now, seeing that this happened to an unstable clone body, this happens to his stable clone bodies as well, in a much much smaller manner where even summoning a hyperspace wormhole and at the same time draining the plant byss and its inhabitants, dissentigrating large metal objects, did very little to further deteriorate his body.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDDirect exposure would kill anyone.
This scenario is vastly different from the scenario in which his clone bodies deteriorate through indirect exposure to dark side energies.Direct exposure (very damaging) vs Indirect exposure (not much damaging)
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDSo because he hasn't been shown demonstrating one power, he loses to Vitiate in a landslide? I can simply argue that all it takes is for palpatine to summon one hyperspace wormhole that Vitiate has no defence against. It goes both ways like you said.
Now Vitiate himself can unleash devastating dark side powers to overwhelm 'even the defensive abilities' of his opponents; and not just disintegrate defenceless bodies. His dark side powers are lethal enough to melt natural bodies of even those individuals who were extraordinarily proficient in defending themselves against powers of the dark side otherwise.The situation of DE Sidious is not good. He, regardless of his power, isn't proficient in Tutaminis, and his clones are vulnerable to the effects of the dark side. Vitiate can easily destroy Sidious's clone bodies by bombarding them with his lethal Force powers.
The hero of tython hasn't been shown to be proficient in "Tutaminis" either, yet he puts Vitiate on his ass in a dark side Nexus, and the hero hasn't shown any remarkable large scale feats on the level of Vitiate or Sidious.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDBecause you never offer any constructive arguments to begin with, nor are you ever willing to come to a common ground except with the hell bent mentality of "im right, you wrong".
You have included so much baseless/useless taunts in your responses in this thread that it has become hard to pick and choose constructive statements within them. Ponder over your debating style for a moment. How can you expect me to understand your position in this manner?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAnd you ignore mine, and you make strawman arguments too.
See? This is why debating with you turns in to a pointless exchange of taunts. You are ignoring my actual points; mostly responding with strawman points; and then you taunt me that I am unable to explain my point of view and vice versa.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDMore so with you.
Problem is with you.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Go to the first page of this thread and recheck my first response to find out that I am talking about Palpatine's clones only; if you still cannot get my drift here.
Thats like shooting in the dark with your rifle and you assume no ones there, and then you tell your victims family to "go check if you had a gun or not".
continued.....
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDYes, i get your point, but this is palpatine at the peak of his powers. not some chump in a clone body.
Now try to comprehend this point:---Intended point---
Bodies; natural or unnatural; by themselves offer no form of defence against the power of the dark side.
As an example Darth Nyriss reduced two soldiers to charred smoking husks in split-second with just a normal burst of Force Lightning as per her standards. Obviously, these soldiers weren't clones and possessed natural bodies.
A trained Force-wielder, however, can shield his/her body from damage from the harmful effects of the dark side powers. This doesn't implies that such defensive abilities cannot be overcome.
---Intended point---
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAnd yet you keep responding to these "taunts" for some reason... i wonder why? Heck, you've been coming up with some taunts on yer own mate.
Another useless/baseless taunt from you. These kinds of statements serve no constructive purpose but rather degenerate an otherwise reasonable debate in to slinging contest of taunts only.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDOooh that hurt alot.
If you are really a mature guy, you would have understood this. Unfortunately, you are just a pretender and nothing else.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDPretty sure everyone else disagrees, Checked and verified!
I am not beyond reasoning. My debates with Neph are mostly sensible and devoid of useless/baseless taunts. You can verify this yourself. Go figure.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDHe does you don't.
Neph does debates in favor of modern era characters. I had lengthy debates with him involving Count Dooku and such.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDBetter than you'd like to believe.
You mean, defend against Force powers? As I asked in the begining of this response, how good is Palpatine in this aspect?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDBecause you brought up the force storm on coruscant and when i said "ok", you took it as i conceded.Then your point of him summoning Force Storm twice has what to do with my arguments?
Ergo, you don't get my point and you suck as a debater.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAnd how do you defend against phantoms? You don't, being a force user means you simply can sense whether or not if its real, or just a doppleganger. Once again, you fail to grasp my point.Being a Force-wielder is not an automatic ticket to invincibility against dark side powers. One has to learn to defend against such kind of powers.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDLets see shall we?
Proven wrong?I will prove you wrong now.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWow, really? You cite gameplay as a source for your arguments right now? You do know the second picture is gameplay mechanics right? right? I thought you always argue against this? Cutscenes > Gameplay.Sith Emperor having conversation with Hero of Tython after approaching the position of the latter:
Fight reumes:
One can easily notice Sith Emperor capable of forming his duplicates during combat.
So no, you haven't proved anything wrong, other than proving the fact that you're the absolute worst debater here.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDActually i do, considering in the past you have tried to use stats to show how one character > another and now you're citing gameplay sources.You do not need to explain to me about what is regarded as canon or not.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAnother strawman argument. Nowhere did i say his powers are non canon. His ability to summon phantoms are indeed canon. When he unleashes them during the kaas temple duel however is a different story. Only when he demonstrated them in a cutscene, then at that point of time, is when he canonically has demonstrated the ability, if he summons it during gameplay, then it is non canon.
Fact is that Vitiate's powers and abilities are canonically defined in the games. User defined actions are not canon. In contrast, Vitiate's talents and abiliites are absolutely canon.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It is already taking abuse from within. How much abuse it will take from outside?
Indeed, Sidious had no armor to shield him from exterior attacks.
The problem was that Vitiate clothed himself in enchanted Armor, and a Mask. This is what gave Darth Nihilus his immortality. As disparity (Dark Side Nexus), armor can protect a nexus super-Sith and allow that Sith to retain his consciousness within.
However, because of his acts of tipping the balance of the Dark Side, achieving spirit form, and experimenting with Force Drain - Palpatine's nexus was indeed larger than Vitiate's, who shared his power with the Order, a power that did not outway the lightside at the time. Vitiate's main source of power was that ritual in Nathema, and it did not compensate for lacking for Palpatine's existence in a time when the Dark Side was stronger, and this Dark channeled itself into Palpatine, no one else.
Unaided, we know Vitiate overpowered Tol Braga’s strike team and destroyed droids; on a dark side nexus, he’s created “shadow clones,†unleashed a telekinetic wave that put Revan on his ass, and a storm of lightning that sheared through the former’s defenses and reduced him to a smoldering heap. Ritually, we know he orchestrated an effort with the participation of thousands of Sith Lords that enabled him to absorb their power, along with the life-force of the entire planet, and reduced it to either an extremely powerful dark side nexus or a world devoid of the Force entirely; similarly, he was able to bind the wills of the Imperial Guardsmen to him and incite perpetual lightning storms across the surface of Dromund Kaas. Under murkier circumstances, we know he’s telepathically enthralled Force users and purged two incarnations of the Dark Council and may have mentally ensnared the Sith Lords on Medriaas before the ritual began.Unaided, we know Sidious overpowered three of the finest swordsmen in the Jedi Order, defeated and deflected attacks from hundreds of adversaries each in conjunction with Plagueis, curbstomped Darth Maul and Savage Opress combined, overpowered Starkiller, and reduced three Sith acolytes to ash and slain dozens of treacherous stormtroopers with Force lightning. Additionally, we know that he is capable of loosing world-killing Force storms “with mere thought and inclination.†On a dark side nexus, he’s disintegrated lightsabers, shrugged off the crushing impact of a ton of machinery, overpowered Luke Skywalker and used the dark side to break his will. Ritually, we know he radiated unnerving ripples in the Force, incited anxiety among most Jedi throughout the galaxy, and increase Anakin Skywalker’s bloodlust; on similar grounds, he and Plagueis tipped the balance of the Force to the dark side through meditation. Under murkier circumstances, we know he mentally subjugated the twenty billion inhabitants of the planet Byss and transformed it from a nascent world to one of the strongest dark side sites in the galaxy; he was able to use his “mind-fogging powers†to assist Imperial engineers in the burial of a star dreadnought on Coruscant; as well as cloud the collective vision of ten thousand Jedi Knights for over a decade.
And who wins?