trunks (dbz) vs hiei (yu yu hakusho) vs zoro (one piece)

Originally posted by carver9
Piccolo was shattered into some pieces when he was turned into stone. He reverted back and re-grew his entire body. That ft is above anything Frieza ever did on panel. This doesn't include Piccolo arm being lopped off, etc...if anyone in their right mind thinks Piccolo is more durable than Goku, then they are half crazy. Just because Frieza and Piccolo survived things because of their physique doesn't make them as durable or more durable than people with higher power level.

Once again, that's not physical durability. The fact that Frieza's body parts were even missing proved it.

You keep bringing up Piccolo but that's totally irrelevant since his body was also into pieces and was just lucky his head didn't shatter. The only difference is he can regenerate and Freiza can't.

Goku durability>>>>>Frieza and Frieza withstood planetary destruction. Get over it brosmash and move on.

*Once again looks at Cell's planet exploding attack on Goku*

Keep deluding yourself.

Originally posted by carver9
[B]Goku blast before the explosion did all the damage you are talking about.

Except you don't even know Freiza's condition after Goku's attack and before the explosion.

Originally posted by carver9
By the way...Frieza would have died when he was cut in half. The only reason he lived was due to Goku giving him power so that throws Bro logic completely out of the window.

🤨...This has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I said.

@Brosmash...

Frieza body wasn't blown to bits and we clearly see him damaged when Goku blasts him. The half of Frieza body that was still there withstood the attack. If Frieza didnt survive a planet's destruction, nothing would have been there. What we do see is him being alive and the pieces that was remaining was still intact after Goku killing attack. Even Frieza father stated a planet explosion shouldn't do anything to Frieza.

Lol @Goku dying from a planetary attack. It doesn't take a planet explosion to kill Goku, Galactus, Thanos, Gladiator, Zod, Phoenix, etc...the planet's explosion is a side affect. Cell POWER killed Goku, not the planet's explosion. I feel got darn safe at saying that Roshi can hit Goku with as many moon busting blasts as he wants and it won't do a thing to him. I feel got darn safe at saying Saiyan Saga Vegeta can hit Super Saiyan Goku with as many Planetary blast as he wants and it will not do a thing to him. Cell can kill Frieza with a casual blast if he wants and the planet would still be intact, hell, the city would still be intact. This is called "knowing power levels" my friend. Cell exploding on a Goku (and we have no idea if this would have only destroyed a planet since the blast laid waste to snake way) doesn't mean that Goku CAN'T withstand planetary+ attacks, what it means is that Cell had the power to kill Goku. You're smarter than this friend...stop basing everything off of collateral damage, doesn't bode well for ya.

Iirc when Frieza blew up the planet he was trying to keep goku there so he'd die from not being able to breathe in space and not directly from the explosion. Been years though, could be wrong.

Wait, with speed equalized, hiei CANNOT beat zoro. His defense, durability, physical strength and swordsmanship curb stomps hiei. The DOTDF is the ONLY thing that can hurt zoro but if zoro has 5 seconds, knowing hiei he will, than the gives zoro enough time for a santoryu or ONI giri, shishi sonson doesn't matter zoro beats hiei with equalized speed.

And Brosmash, this is all in fun, don't take my messages to personal, you are cool with me.

Originally posted by carver9
@Brosmash...

Frieza body wasn't blown to bits and we clearly see him damaged when Goku blasts him. The half of Frieza body that was still there withstood the attack. If Frieza didnt survive a planet's destruction, nothing would have been there. What we do see is him being alive and the pieces that was remaining was still intact after Goku killing attack. Even Frieza father stated a planet explosion shouldn't do anything to Frieza.

We never see Frieza's body until after the explosion. We didn't see it after Goku blasted him so it's pointless to keep claiming that the blast did all of that. Also, what King Cold said sounds kind of vague. It doesn't go into details over what he meant that "it shouldn't do anything to Frieza".

Originally posted by carver9
Lol @Goku dying from a planetary attack. It doesn't take a planet explosion to kill Goku, Galactus, Thanos, Gladiator, Zod, Phoenix, etc...the planet's explosion is a side affect. Cell POWER killed Goku, not the planet's explosion. I feel got darn safe at saying that Roshi can hit Goku with as many moon busting blasts as he wants and it won't do a thing to him. I feel got darn safe at saying Saiyan Saga Vegeta can hit Super Saiyan Goku with as many Planetary blast as he wants and it will not do a thing to him. Cell can kill Frieza with a casual blast if he wants and the planet would still be intact, hell, the city would still be intact. This is called "knowing power levels" my friend. Cell exploding on a Goku (and we have no idea if this would have only destroyed a planet since the blast laid waste to snake way) doesn't mean that Goku CAN'T withstand planetary+ attacks, what it means is that Cell had the power to kill Goku. You're smarter than this friend...stop basing everything off of collateral damage, doesn't bode well for ya.

When the heck has Goku said he can shrug off planet destroying attacks? Never.

When has Goku ever kept his cool and never tried to prevent the planet's destruction that was coming at him? Never.

So don't give me that. Goku can't survive a planetary destruction. Nothing proves otherwise. You're just exaggerating things.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Iirc when Frieza blew up the planet he was trying to keep goku there so he'd die from not being able to breathe in space and not directly from the explosion. Been years though, could be wrong.

Yeah, you are correct. He brought up the fact that he can breath in space but Goku couldn't. He didn't think the attack would kill Goku (because he would have tried hitting him with it instead of directing it towards the planet), he thought the lack of air would kill Goku.

@Brosmash...

Of course he would prevent a planetary attack "from hitting the planet"...why wouldn't he. Doesn't mean that planet busters or moon busters can harm him. Make a thread. Roshi and Piccolo with a power level below 400 had moon busting power, make a thread proving they could scratch Nappa with their most powerful attack.Dont even need to make this a super saiyan. Vegeta was classified as a planet buster during the Saiyan Saga...make a thread and ask if that version of Vegeta can harm Namekian Saga Goku. All of this is simple. Collateral damage means nothing in DBZ, its all about power levels. A planet doesn't have to explode to kill "any" character . Like I've stated before, even though the pieces of Frieza body withstood a planetary attack, Cell let alone Super Saiyan Goku can melt his body completely with a casual blast because collateral damage means nothing in DBZ.

Nappa casually vaporized one of the largest cities in DBZ on he and Vegeta's arrival, yet he was hurt by much less.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Iirc when Frieza blew up the planet he was trying to keep goku there so he'd die from not being able to breathe in space and not directly from the explosion. Been years though, could be wrong.

That was just incase Goku tried to escape. He meant to destroy the planet instantly but he held too much back.

Originally posted by carver9
Yeah, you are correct. He brought up the fact that he can breath in space but Goku couldn't. He didn't think the attack would kill Goku (because he would have tried hitting him with it instead of directing it towards the planet), he thought the lack of air would kill Goku.

Frieza never said he thought Goku would survive the attack and the reason he didn't hit Goku directly with it was because it was a slow attack that Goku would have easily dodged or blocked with his Kamehameha. Heck, I think the reason he held too much back was because he didn't want to get caught while powering it up.

Originally posted by carver9
@Brosmash...

Of course he would prevent a planetary attack "from hitting the planet"...why wouldn't he.

I said when it's coming at him.

Originally posted by carver9
Doesn't mean that planet busters or moon busters can harm him. Make a thread. Roshi and Piccolo with a power level below 400 had moon busting power, make a thread proving they could scratch Nappa with their most powerful attack.Dont even need to make this a super saiyan. Vegeta was classified as a planet buster during the Saiyan Saga...make a thread and ask if that version of Vegeta can harm Namekian Saga Goku. All of this is simple. Collateral damage means nothing in DBZ, its all about power levels. A planet doesn't have to explode to kill "any" character . Like I've stated before, even though the pieces of Frieza body withstood a planetary attack, Cell let alone Super Saiyan Goku can melt his body completely with a casual blast because collateral damage means nothing in DBZ.

Until they're proven that they can withstand those things, I stand by what I said. The reason those characters you mentioned couldn't beat the other characters is not because they can just shrug off their planet and moon busting attacks, but because they're stronger and faster. That's the way it's always been.

And once again, Goku died from a planet explosion. It was Cell's power but was the power was to destroy the planet.

Originally posted by KingD19
Nappa casually vaporized one of the largest cities in DBZ on he and Vegeta's arrival, yet he was hurt by much less.

Someone seems to be catching on. Collateral damage in DBZ means nothing.

Originally posted by carver9
Someone seems to be catching on. Collateral damage in DBZ means nothing.

Lol, I knew this already Carver. I'm backing you up, bro.

😱

Also, Frieza didn't hold back, his attack was meant to de-stabilize Namek's core and cause a planetary explosion. It just took a while to happen since Namek was huge.

Originally posted by KingD19
Nappa casually vaporized one of the largest cities in DBZ on he and Vegeta's arrival, yet he was hurt by much less.

He wasn't even hurt by the same kind of attack anyway. It'd be different if he was hurt by a weaker blast or something but that's not the case.

Originally posted by carver9
Someone seems to be catching on. Collateral damage in DBZ means nothing.

Yes it does. It means a lot more than you think.

Originally posted by KingD19
Lol, I knew this already Carver. I'm backing you up, bro.

😱

Also, Frieza didn't hold back, his attack was meant to de-stabilize Namek's core and cause a planetary explosion. It just took a while to happen since Namek was huge.

It was just bigger than he thought, if I recall correctly.

Also carver, I'm glad this isn't personal.

@King...

Yep, I was agreeing with you.

@Brosmash...using your logic, if Collateral damage means something, that would make Roshi and Piccolo>>>>>a lot of people in DBZ. Collateral damage doesn't mean a thing. Doomsday killed Superman with a punch that only destroyed some windows. We know it takes much more than that to take Superman out. Hell, using Collateral damage as an arguement, that would make Hulk, Superman, and Gladiator strength>>>Galactus. How about this...I am about to make a thread...let's see what others say.

Originally posted by KingD19
Also, Frieza didn't hold back,

Originally posted by KingD19
his attack was meant to de-stabilize Namek's core and cause a planetary explosion. It just took a while to happen since Namek was huge.

Originally posted by carver9
@Brosmash...using your logic, if Collateral damage means something, that would make Roshi and Piccolo>>>>>a lot of people in DBZ. Collateral damage doesn't mean a thing. Doomsday killed Superman with a punch that only destroyed some windows. We know it takes much more than that to take Superman out. Hell, using Collateral damage as an arguement, that would make Hulk, Superman, and Gladiator strength>>>Galactus. How about this...I am about to make a thread...let's see what others say.

You're comparing two different things here. A punch is not the same as a blast.

If those guys could shrug off moon and planet destroying attacks, they wouldn't need to always use a blast of their own just to do that.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
You're comparing two different things here. A punch is not the same as a blast.

If those guys could shrug off moon and planet destroying attacks, they wouldn't need to always use a blast of their own just to do that.

Lol...so Roshi can damage/kill Frieza with a power level of 150? So Piccolo with a power level of 350 can kill Goku with a moon busting attack. There is so much evidence against your claim that its terrible.

Pretty much what Carver's already attempting to explain.

If you believe that DBZ characters can not tank planetary busting attacks, then you must also believe that every attack from the start of DBZ onward is one where a character is using less than a third of their power. By the time the Frieza/Goku battle starts (and we know Frieza could destroy *easily* a planet in his first form which is weaker than a FRACTION of 1 percent of his total power), you would ALSO have to believe that every attack Frieza was using AGAINST GOKU was held back so much that it was on a level weaker than .0025 percent of his total power... which is not only wrong but retarded based on the premise that Frieza was powering up alone. If you honestly think these characters are holding back their power THAT much despite their intent to KILL one another, then you must also believe Hulk's the type of character to "hold back" when he's screaming "Hulk smash!". And if you believe THAT... Then I've got a bag of magic beans I'd like to sell you. Just give me your Paypal and I'll send you the invoice. 😉

Also...
I'd like to remind you that we saw Goku overturn an attack that would have incinerated the planet, and Frieza stopped one in similar fashion literally hundreds of times stronger than that with his bare hand so whatever this "they need to use blasts to stop blasts" nonsense is, you need to get that out of here... Or...
By all means, keep talking out of your ass and continue looking stupid.. If nothing else, it is at the very least quite amusing.

As for the thread itself...
1. Trunks.
2. Hiei
3. Zoro

Because even "equalized" in some regards, they are STILL nowhere NEAR the same level of power as one another.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...so Roshi can damage/kill Frieza with a power level of 150? So Piccolo with a power level of 350 can kill Goku with a moon busting attack. There is so much evidence against your claim that its terrible.

You make it seem like power levels mean something. They don't. That's why I'm not against the possibility that these guy can't take these attacks. Tanking moon busting attacks is a possibility but it's never proven.

Originally posted by jinzin
[B]Pretty much what Carver's already attempting to explain.

If you believe that DBZ characters can not tank planetary busting attacks, then you must also believe that every attack from the start of DBZ onward is one where a character is using less than a third of their power.

Where did you get the "less than a third of their power" from?

Originally posted by jinzin
[B]By the time the Frieza/Goku battle starts (and we know Frieza could destroy *easily* a planet in his first form which is weaker than a FRACTION of 1 percent of his total power), you would ALSO have to believe that every attack Frieza was using AGAINST GOKU was held back so much that it was on a level weaker than .0025 percent of his total power... which is not only wrong but retarded based on the premise that Frieza was powering up alone. If you honestly think these characters are holding back their power THAT much despite their intent to KILL one another, then you must also believe Hulk's the type of character to "hold back" when he's screaming "Hulk smash!". And if you believe THAT... Then I've got a bag of magic beans I'd like to sell you. Just give me your Paypal and I'll send you the invoice. 😉

Again, where are you pulling these numbers from?

And I didn't say Freiza held back during the entire fight. He DID held back at certain parts, like at the beginning.

Also...
I'd like to remind you that we saw Goku overturn an attack that would have incinerated the planet, and Frieza stopped one in similar fashion literally hundreds of times stronger than that with his bare hand so whatever this "they need to use blasts to stop blasts" nonsense is, you need to get that out of here... Or...
By all means, keep talking out of your ass and continue looking stupid.. If nothing else, it is at the very least quite amusing.

Talking out of my ass? You're the one who's pulling all of these random numbers out of nowhere (seriously, a "hundreds of times stronger"?). And Goku always stops a planet busting blast with his own blast. Don't know which part about Freiza you're talking.

You need to grow up and stop throwing insults. You sound like an obsessed fanboy right now.