Obviously not written out but within the context of the scene of course.
Look, the Joker and Bane are two different ends of a spectrum. Polar opposites. They go about their shit in two seperate ways. Joker is more colorful wheareas Bane is much more straight foward.
With all the hype of TDK and Ledger's performance it's not like Joker blew Bane off the map. The bank heist scene isn't that much better than the plane hijacking, if at all.
You can ***** about the way Bane went out but it's not like Joker had some unbelievably epic going out party.
Bane stands up to Joker quite nicely IMO.
Really? Joker went out getting killed by Batman's shitty girlfriend in mid-sentence? I'm pretty sure the Joker ended up going to prison, laughing like a hyena all the way, while Gotham's White Knight turned into a psychopath and Batman went from being a symbol of hope to an evil Frankenstein pariah, a fact that proceeded to haunt him for the next eight years.
People give Bane a bad rep because his character was ass in the film. Say what you want about Joker being overrated- I probably would agree, but at least he didn't sound like ****ing Darth Vader on helium. At least he wasn't a henchman in his own film to a villain we didn't know existed until the 4th quarter of the movie, and at least he didn't get defeated by three sloppy haymakers to the face in what was supposed to be the most climactic dual of the trilogy.
Bane and the Joker are two different characters with two different pathos, and shouldn't be compared normally, but in the context of effectiveness and significance, Joker beats Bane in every way, which is kind of a tragedy, but at least its accurate to the comics I guess.
Oh enough with the henchman insults already.
Just because Darth Vader was inferior to the Emperor doesn't make him NOT the GOAT movie villain.
Still doesn't change anything Bane did in the film.
The voice? Okay, I liked it but I have to admit it was inconsistent throughout the film. Like, during the speech at Blackgate it didn't even sound as if it was dubbed at all. But, for the majority of the picture I felt it worked.
Joker was a more colorful character and perhaps even more memorable. Granted, I've already stated as to such in a previous post. Effective? Significant? Bane definitely had more menace, was far more intimidating, and had the bigger scheme.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._Bane already defeated him. He beat the shit out of him in the shadows at Batman's own game. Joker was some lunatic who burned money and wanted to be chaotic. Just some loon. At the end he was easily bagged as a villain. Bane was the end boss. Joker is nowhere near an end boss.
Bane was a henchman-***** for Talia, and in the end got his ass kicked by a couple of haymakers to the face after Bruce had a ****ing Rocky training montage.Bane was crap, and everything about him besides his body language was a disappointment.
Joker by a mile.
Bane would destroy the Joker.
Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Eh. I thought Bane was pretty good as a villain. The problem is that he's only used as a plot device. After Bane breaks Batman's back, nobody knows what to do with him.I like TDK Joker more, but it's apples and oranges at the end of the day. Comparing Joker and Bane is like comparing Tyler Durden and Darth Vader. How can you?
Bane was a throwaway villain for me. If being able to physically beat a worn-out Batman in one scene makes a better villain, then sure(not saying you personally think this way). But it doesn't cut it for me. A great villain needs depth and charm; Bane was little more than hired muscle at the end and he went out like a punk.
No, we can compare most things, imo. Especially since they share common ground of being Batman villains in the same Batman franchise.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Bane was the end boss. That about sums it up. He broke Batman. Joker just took him to the edge. Not even a contest.
Broke Batman so hard that after a few months of prison sit-ups he came back apparently stronger and won on all fronts.
Joker's plan(not that Bane had a plan himself, he was hired muscle) actually worked in part. Dent was turned evil and Batman had to lie and make himself the villain in an attempt to win and then spent the next eight years as recluse.
Sorry, but you're penchant for backing throwaway villians doesn't mean they're better cos you need it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Bane was the end boss. That about sums it up. He broke Batman. Joker just took him to the edge. Not even a contest.
Bane wasn't even a boss. He was the henchman for the real end boss
Spoiler:
Talia.
Dude can't even drink a glass of OJ without shitting his pants with pain. What a loser.
Bane was in the end, just a goon. He was a much more physical threat than Joker, but then again, he had a magic mask that let him ignore pain and worked out everyday.
Joker on the other hand took over the entire city in like under a week and had Batman dancing like a puppet on a string. Made him kill his girlfriend, turned the publics beloved DA into Two-Face, made Bats himself into a villain in the eyes of said public. He even took over like every gang in the city.
Joker was just uber.
Ra's and Joker I can understand people liking more than Bane, but I pretty much stopped reading this thread when someone went as far as to say that Scarecrow was more enjoyable than him. ermm He was more of a henchman to Ra's than Bane even was to Talia, and may as well have been nonexistent after Batman Begins.
And about Bane being defeated by haymakers to the face, that was just plot jujitsu/lazy writing. He was punched in the face by Batman multiple times during the first fight and wasn't phased at all.
No choice for me - Joker rocked his role - more entertaining, more menacing - in my eyes when you threaten with muscle you're like a preschool bully. All you can basically do is say "I'm gonna getcha, hahaha," until another preschooler decides to stand you up.
When you threaten with brains backing your muscles up - you come up with some really psycho-sh** stuff. And since you're not warning anyone by going nuclear on a football field, no one's going to know what you're doing until it's too late.
Joker camoflauged himself by keeping his misdeeds among the mob - people no normal Gothamite cares about. And then it's just a 24/7 fireworks display of KA-BOOM!!!! that no one can figure out how it was performed, let alone figure out where the perpetrator would run to after.
Bane is one-trick pony. It may be a bad-ass trick, like breaking Batman's back, but pur-lease, Batman has regen/health points maxed out and so attacks that are purely physical are easier to get over. So much for that one trick.
Originally posted by RobtardDent screwed up but then again the people with the option didn't screw up so quit acting like Joker totally won. Joker went away in cuffs like come weak feeb. Batman didn't have to push inside himself to beat him at all. Joker wasn't that great. He was the middle act and by far the low man on the villain totem pole.
Broke Batman so hard that after a few months of prison sit-ups he came back apparently stronger and won on all fronts.Joker's plan(not that Bane had a plan himself, he was hired muscle) actually worked in part. Dent was turned evil and Batman had to lie and make himself the villain in an attempt to win and then spent the next eight years as recluse.
Sorry, but you're penchant for backing throwaway villians doesn't mean they're better cos you need it.
Originally posted by NephthysWho cares that Bane wasn't in charge. He executed the plan and broke Batman on screen. Talia couldn't and didn't do so.
Bane wasn't even a boss. He was the henchman for the real end bossSpoiler:
Talia.Dude can't even drink a glass of OJ without shitting his pants with pain. What a loser.
Joker was a dude who liked to dress up like a woman. I guess you champion crossdressers.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Who cares that Bane wasn't in charge. He executed the plan and broke Batman on screen. Talia couldn't and didn't do so.Joker was a dude who liked to dress up like a woman. I guess you champion crossdressers. [/B]
Whenever Bane is mentioned, it's already a given fact that he's the villain that broke Batman in the comics...so the audience already knows what to expect as the highlight in TDKR.
The same comic book fans would also know that The Joker killed a Robin & paralysed Barbara Gordon.
From Batman's point of view, how do you measure a)having your back broken & healing from it to b) living permanently with the guilt of Robin & Barbara?
The "better" villain is the one who screws with your mind & adds doubt to your integrity. The Joker is by far the most feared.