Personally for me Bane, but Joker was flashier and probably more fun to watch for the average person.
I think Tom Hardy did an excellent job. Whenever Bane was on screen Tom played him cold, methodical and intimidating which is what Bane is supposed to be. He did it so well also.
A lot of people hold the plot of the movie against him. Some call him just a thug once the Talia reveal happened. I didn't get this same notion, he was obviously working for Talia but I think it was pretty obvious Bane wasn't a simple thug. It was even made reference he made the same calculations that one nuclear physicist did when he said "by my calculations".
Also Nolan made a direct decision to not allow the villain to steal the show again like Joker did from Batman. That's why he got the anti-climatic death.
So there is a difference cause Joker was allowed to steal the show Bane wasn't yet I still think he did somewhat steal it.
They were both terrific performances though. Like I said most people will choose the Joker but I much prefer a villain like Bane.
Originally posted by Newjak
Personally for me Bane, but Joker was flashier and probably more fun to watch for the average person.I think Tom Hardy did an excellent job. Whenever Bane was on screen Tom played him cold, methodical and intimidating which is what Bane is supposed to be. He did it so well also.
A lot of people hold the plot of the movie against him. Some call him just a thug once the Talia reveal happened. I didn't get this same notion, he was obviously working for Talia but I think it was pretty obvious Bane wasn't a simple thug. It was even made reference he made the same calculations that one nuclear physicist did when he said "by my calculations".
Also Nolan made a direct decision to not allow the villain to steal the show again like Joker did from Batman. That's why he got the anti-climatic death.
So there is a difference cause Joker was allowed to steal the show Bane wasn't yet I still think he did somewhat steal it.
They were both terrific performances though. Like I said most people will choose the Joker but I much prefer a villain like Bane.
well said, man.. i feel the same way.. but at the end of the day, there is no way to compare joker and bane.. bane broke batman physically but joker can break batman in so many other ways.. unmovable object meets unstoppable force..
That would be obstacle not villian 😱
But seriously i think Talia would be considered the final villian since she was pretty much running the show. I know Bane was a much bigger challenge and threat but that difficulty doesn't go to the main/final bad guy.
There are several movies where the main bad guy is a push over but the main "henchmen" is the ultimate challenge. That's what i feel like is happening here. Talia would be like Travolta in Punisher while Bane would be the Russian. The Russian is clearly a much bigger physical threat and beat the hero's ass but Travolta was the top dog. Final villian and such
Joker Joker Joker all the way.
Joker inflicted more pain on Batman by ****ing with everything. Batman's peak of pain was in the pit and even then he came back and Bane cried. The Joker never cried, the Joker didn't care, he was never beaten like Bane. You can't stop a plan that deals with pure chaos, totally improvised the whole way all that destruction for a sick man's pleasure.
It's good for the Joker, it's war for Bane - and guess who chills Batman's bones more? Super-sanity. Think of the worst thing in the world and the Joker would be completely unaffected by it, where does he come from? We know where Bane comes from, why is the Joker so much worse? We'll leave his super-sanity to speculation. Crazy bastard clown.
I'd go with the Joker, but they're pretty much neck & neck for me. The best thing is that they're two completely different villains with completely different tactics & ways of handling their plans.
I'll always love the unpredictable nature of Heath's Joker, but I also loved how Hardy's Bane perfectly blends intelligence with power.
Originally posted by juggermanTechnically a villain does not have to be a person it just has to be a thing that is labeled evil, or opposes the protagonist. Boom the bomb was that 😛
That would be obstacle not villian 😱But seriously i think Talia would be considered the final villian since she was pretty much running the show. I know Bane was a much bigger challenge and threat but that difficulty doesn't go to the main/final bad guy.
There are several movies where the main bad guy is a push over but the main "henchmen" is the ultimate challenge. That's what i feel like is happening here. Talia would be like Travolta in Punisher while Bane would be the Russian. The Russian is clearly a much bigger physical threat and beat the hero's ass but Travolta was the top dog. Final villian and such
Talia was the person pulling Bane's strings but I think it was pretty clear it was Bane doing the heavy lifting and planning and executing of everything. Either way this is a pointless argument. Quan was pretty clearly trying to say Bane was the biggest villain in the movie and the one doing the most damage.
Originally posted by KingD19He didn't just break Batman's Spine he literally tore through everything Bruce built Batman up to be.
Also, breaking Batman's spine is far less than forcing him to be responsible(and tricking him) into killing the first love of his life.
As Bane said he was wondering what would break first his body or his spirit.
Bane also did more damage to the city than the Joker ever did. Bane also managed to kill the mayor something the Joker failed to do.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Doomsday isn't in his life on the regular but when he was he was the ultimate challenge. Luthor is the constant challenge so while he's worried because Luthor is obsessed Luthor isn't the big draw like Doomsday was. He's just the Doom like draw. Superman is worried about his schemes just like Joker is more scheming than Bane.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Doomsday isn't psychological at all. In death of Superman who was the big villain ? Doomsday. Superman had nightmares about Doomsday not Luthor. Doomsday is the ultimate challenge whereas Luthor just needs great schemes. That's how it's always been.
Luthor is Superman's arch-nemesis. This is a fact and can't be argued.
The Joker is Batman's arch-nemesis. This is a fact and can't be argued.
Just stop talking. Okay.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._What are you talking about. Last time I checked everything Batman stood for and used against criminals was still there.
He didn't tear through everything Bruce built Batman up to be, because by the time TDK: R came around, almost everything Batman had, both from a physical perspective and a symbolic perspective, was already gone. By the time Bruce Wayne even got to the Joker, he was a broken man.
He didn't let the Joker die, he took the blame for Harvey's killings, he was still a creature of the night that used his mask to instill fear into the criminal element.
That is what Bane broke. He took Batman's ability to bring fear, he took Batman's tools to be used against the very thing Batman stands for.
Originally posted by Newjak
What are you talking about. Last time I checked everything Batman stood for and used against criminals was still there.He didn't let the Joker die, he took the blame for Harvey's killings, he was still a creature of the night that used his mask to instill fear into the criminal element.
That is what Bane broke. He took Batman's ability to bring fear, he took Batman's tools to be used against the very thing Batman stands for.
Batman had been basically inactive and out of commission for years and years by the time we get to TDK Rises. This was due to Joker's meddling in Returns.
Batman's symbolic appeal as a hero was crap after the Joker. He became a villain, a murderer of Gotham's "white knight" no less in the eyes of the public.