Originally posted by quanchi112
Dent screwed up but then again the people with the option didn't screw up so quit acting like Joker totally won. Joker went away in cuffs like come weak feeb. Batman didn't have to push inside himself to beat him at all. Joker wasn't that great. He was the middle act and by far the low man on the villain totem pole.
Derp.
Originally posted by Esau CairnJoker has been plaguing Batman for years while Bane was the ultimate challenge. It's like saying sure Luthor affected Superman more so than Doomsday but when you compare the two Doomsday wins hands down.
Whenever Bane is mentioned, it's already a given fact that he's the villain that broke Batman in the comics...so the audience already knows what to expect as the highlight in TDKR.The same comic book fans would also know that The Joker killed a Robin & paralysed Barbara Gordon.
From Batman's point of view, how do you measure a)having your back broken & healing from it to b) living permanently with the guilt of Robin & Barbara?
The "better" villain is the one who screws with your mind & adds doubt to your integrity. The Joker is by far the most feared.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Joker has been plaguing Batman for years while Bane was the ultimate challenge. It's like saying sure Luthor affected Superman more so than Doomsday but when you compare the two Doomsday wins hands down.
Yeah agree. I'm just saying that the moment Bane was made the villain for TDKR...fans already knew the outcome & what to expect.
Whereas there was really no definitive story line for The Joker to fall back on in TDK.
Bane to Joker: Ah, you think failed comedian jokes are your ally. You merely adopt with them. I was born around them, molded by them. I never got to hear a better joke than yours by the time I was already a man, and by then it was nothing to me but blinding!
Oh, and he's entitled to his opinion, quan.
Originally posted by Ridley_PrimePeople are entitled to be wrong. I agree. I try to help when I can. Shrugs shoulders and walks away.
Bane to Joker: Ah, you think failed comedian jokes are your ally. You merely adopt with them. I was born around them, molded by them. I never got to hear a better joke than yours by the time I was already a man, and by then it was nothing to me but blinding!Oh, and he's entitled to his opinion, quan.
Originally posted by -Pr-Joker and Luthor are enemies who go at these heroes for years. They are more familiar with these heroes than anyone. These aren't the ultimate villains they rely thereby on the ultimate scheme. The villains such as bane and Doomsday are the ultimate challenge in terms of villains. Joker and Luthor are like Cobra Commander from G I Joe. They show up every week and are defeated every week.
...What?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Joker and Luthor are enemies who go at these heroes for years. They are more familiar with these heroes than anyone. These aren't the ultimate villains they rely thereby on the ultimate scheme. The villains such as bane and Doomsday are the ultimate challenge in terms of villains. Joker and Luthor are like Cobra Commander from G I Joe. They show up every week and are defeated every week.
No; Luthor is Superman's ultimate challenge in pretty much every way. The entire reason he's stuck around for so long is because he's that dangerous.
Doomsday will almost kill Superman in a fist fight, but Luthor will poison his ****ing soul in a way that DD never could.
Originally posted by -Pr-Doomsday isn't psychological at all. In death of Superman who was the big villain ? Doomsday. Superman had nightmares about Doomsday not Luthor. Doomsday is the ultimate challenge whereas Luthor just needs great schemes. That's how it's always been.
No; Luthor is Superman's ultimate challenge in pretty much every way. The entire reason he's stuck around for so long is because he's that dangerous.Doomsday will almost kill Superman in a fist fight, but Luthor will poison his ****ing soul in a way that DD never could.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Doomsday isn't psychological at all. In death of Superman who was the big villain ? Doomsday. Superman had nightmares about Doomsday not Luthor. Doomsday is the ultimate challenge whereas Luthor just needs great schemes. That's how it's always been.
You're totally off-base.
Doomsday haunted Superman for a short while, yes, but Luthor has done more damage in his career to Superman and Superman's life than Doomsday could ever hope to.
Luthor is Superman's ultimate challenge because he's the part of humanity, that very thing that Superman loves, that Superman can't save. Superman did have nightmares about Doomsday, yes, but only for a very short time. Luthor gets inside Superman's head and makes him react in ways that nobody else can. Superman lies awake at night worrying about whether Luthor will ruin his life in the morning, why? Because Superman can't beat Luthor by just punching him in the face.
Joker is the same to Batman.
Originally posted by -Pr-Doomsday isn't in his life on the regular but when he was he was the ultimate challenge. Luthor is the constant challenge so while he's worried because Luthor is obsessed Luthor isn't the big draw like Doomsday was. He's just the Doom like draw. Superman is worried about his schemes just like Joker is more scheming than Bane.
You're totally off-base.Doomsday haunted Superman for a short while, yes, but Luthor has done more damage in his career to Superman and Superman's life than Doomsday could ever hope to.
Luthor is Superman's ultimate challenge because he's the part of humanity, that very thing that Superman loves, that Superman can't save. Superman did have nightmares about Doomsday, yes, but only for a very short time. Luthor gets inside Superman's head and makes him react in ways that nobody else can. Superman lies awake at night worrying about whether Luthor will ruin his life in the morning, why? Because Superman can't beat Luthor by just punching him in the face.
Joker is the same to Batman.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Doomsday isn't in his life on the regular but when he was he was the ultimate challenge. Luthor is the constant challenge so while he's worried because Luthor is obsessed Luthor isn't the big draw like Doomsday was. He's just the Doom like draw. Superman is worried about his schemes just like Joker is more scheming than Bane.
No.
Nothing against Tom Hardy, but they might as well have put a bag over his head and written his lines with cut and paste villain boilerplate.
Ledger's Joker was off-the-wall original genius that keeps us off balance and going to the movies. Plus he had a helluva lot to work with what with the pencil, the burning money pile, the hospital, the semi-trailer truck, the nurse, the bank robbery, the cocktail, the jail, the ferries and the finale scenes....to name a few. He was so evil he even stole the show.