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ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Sundipped
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Are you trying to insinuate that Nemesis had just created them? Furthermore you're basing this off of the word "MAYBE" as if that's definitive evidence to their origin. If you take time out to read that whole scan, you can clearly see that the narration during that scene was used [b]ONLYto emphasize the heroes courage when sacrificing themselves. None of those "MAYBES" is for certain.
http://s1292.photobucket.com/user/superior100/media/7d18fc9e-b89d-42c1-9d5f-995291f13083_zps57daa234.jpg.html[/b]

For someone trying to extol the immense multiversal power of Nemesis, your incredulity that she could create an army of bastardized Avengers/Ultraforce duplicates, is curious. Actually, it's not curious, it's completely pants-on-head retarded considering she did exactly that at the beginning of the comic with a bastardized population covering a continental-sized universe.

Those "maybe's" are used in the specific context denoting characteristics. Like you were describing your friend, "Maybe he's fat, maybe he's dumb, but he's a good-hearted dude and that is all that matters." There isn't an existential doubt over whether he's fat or dumb in the first place because of the use of the word "maybe." He is fat and dumb, period.

I'd rather not belabor the obvious mangling of simple English here and patronize you over simple reading interpretation. Suffice it to say, you're doing it wrong.

Originally posted by Sundipped
My whole notion from the begenning was that the Ultraverse is composed of alternate realities/universes which is ONE multiverse. Well here is what the Ultraverse is composed of as told by Ironclad and this is what Nemesis affected. He even gave an analogy to boot.
http://ucks1292.photobet.com/user/superior100/media/e1cb3ee2-019d-4dcb-9c85-ca9648221e15_zpsc10120b4.jpg.html

And the Ultraverse featured in Ultraforce/Avengers was Earth 93060. And that is what Nemesis affected. Nobody ever denied she had at least universal power.

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Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Sundipped

My whole notion from the begenning was that the Ultraverse is
composed of alternate realities/universes which is ONE
multiverse. Well here is what the Ultraverse is composed of as told
by Ironclad and this is what Nemesis affected. He even gave an
analogy to boot.

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The guys over at Marvunapp who actually make
data-corrections concerning errors in Marvel's handbooks wrote,
that the editors wanted to retcon many universes and characters
from the Malibu Multiverse Ultraverse via Nemesis' final warp.

They literally compared it to DC's Crisis on Infinite Earths in the
Nemesis, Ultraforce team & every individual Ultraforce member bio.

quanchi112 Disney

I still don't see how Am can even hurt Thanos let alone beat him.

Sundipped MURDERER

@ ODG
So you're going to sit up here and tell me that ALL of those alternates came from an America sized universe only a few thousand miles long created by Nemesis? Some came from that but not all. Considering I just showed you the scan indicating the Ultraverse contains alternate Earths, it's only logical to assume a majority of these alternates come from those earths. Here it is stated that there are alternate VERSIONS (more than one set) coming from everywhere due to Nemesis' "tinkering".

"ALL the walls have fallen down"

What's an example of "VERSIONS" according to context here? How about multiple Thors (more than one set) hurling Mjolnir's at Nemesis.

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I think it's safe to say that this massive team of alternates didn't come only from an U.S. sized landmass that was only a few meters deep and a few thousand miles across.

LOL at you using that flimsy logic of all those maybe's being definite. The scan explicitly states "maybe they had families, maybe they had no one". Now how in the world can this be definitively possible? Either you have someone or you don't. It can't be all of the above in this case like you were trying to imply. In every case of the word maybe being used here, it means just that. Maybe: definition - "possibly, uncertainty ". Hope you see how absurd your friend analogy was.

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Sundipped
@ ODG
So you're going to sit up here and tell me that [b]ALL of those alternates came from an America sized universe only a few thousand miles long created by Nemesis? Some came from that but not all. Considering I just showed you the scan indicating the Ultraverse contains alternate Earths, it's only logical to assume a majority of these alternates come from those earths. Here it is stated that there are alternate VERSIONS (more than one set) coming from everywhere due to Nemesis' "tinkering".
"ALL the walls have fallen down"
http://s1292.photobucket.com/user/superior100/media/d01fbfbe-a3cd-4cf2-9f53-39eb4d3e09de_zps2e92c20f.jpg.html
What's an example of "VERSIONS" according to context here? How about multiple Thors (more than one set) hurling Mjolnir's at Nemesis.
http://s1292.photobucket.com/user/superior100/media/2a285f7d-40a1-4201-94b6-a84628ce16b3_zpsdf40e739.jpg.html
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I think it's safe to say that this massive team of alternates didn't come only from an U.S. sized landmass that was only a few meters deep and a few thousand miles across.[/b]

You don't think a hundred or more bastardized versions of Ultraverse/Avengers amalgams can fit on that America-sized universe?????

Even though they all fit onto that random run-down city block they were all fighting in... ??? I think you need to think a bit more on this. Constructively. Not hamfistedly.

Originally posted by Sundipped
LOL at you using that flimsy logic of all those maybe's being definite. The scan explicitly states "maybe they had families, maybe they had no one". Now how in the world can this be definitively possible? Either you have someone or you don't. It [b]can't be all of the above in this case like you were trying to imply. In every case of the word maybe being used here, it means just that. Maybe: definition - "possibly, uncertainty ". Hope you see how absurd your friend analogy was. [/B]

Because some of them had families and some of them did not. This shouldn't be hard to grasp. The friend analogy only illustrates the connotation of the word "maybe" in that scene. I mean when a Democrat gets on his pulpit and sermonizes, "Look at all of us gathered here on July 4th, maybe we're black, maybe we're white, maybe we're latino, but that is meaningless... we're all Americans and America is what we are here to celebrate!" I mean, that guy isn't confused as to the racial identity of his audience, he's just generalizing who he's speaking to. That you can't wrap your head around this is just another false absolute you've forced onto yourself to salvage a contrived interpretation.

And I appreciate that you have to butcher the English language, but it's not convincing me.

Sundipped MURDERER

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Go ahead stick with that assumption that all alternates with "all walls of reality falling down" came from that replica universe. Even despite the evidence of alternate earths existing. Common sense would tell you that the "tinkering" involves those alternate earths and that "all walls" (plural) would encompass more than just that mini-universe.

We can drop this maybe thing. Mainly because if all those alternates really popped up 5 minutes ago there would be no reason to say maybe at all.

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Sundipped
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Go ahead stick with that assumption that all alternates with "all walls of reality falling down" came from that replica universe. Even despite the evidence of alternate earths existing. Common sense would tell you that the "tinkering" involves those alternate earths and that "all walls" (plural) would encompass more than just that mini-universe.

It's not an assumption. The narration told us they spontaneously "sprang into existence five minutes ago." They were probably a direct result of Nemesis' writhing and protesting with her creative energies fluxing about how she wanted to create new and novel things, not just rewrite pale imitations of characters that already exist by amalgamating them clumsily.

Originally posted by Sundipped
We can drop this maybe thing. Mainly because if all those alternates really popped up 5 minutes ago there would be no reason to say maybe at all.

By that absolutist logic, there wouldn't be any reason to mention that they sprang into existence 5 minutes ago. Moving past that, there actually was a distinct and rather obvious reason the narrator mentioned all of that. Because we as the readers don't care about pale fake imitations of the real things. Heck, neither did the characters themselves. The Ultraverse character, Contrary, was telling a grieving Wasp/Black Widow amalgam she wasn't even real and that she was fake outright:

But maybe they are fake, maybe they are pale imitations, maybe they popped up out of nowhere a few minutes ago, maybe they only lasted for three pages, but because the Ultraverse was endangered, they cared enough to fight and die to protect it as heroes would. And that is inspiring.

The wording I just used isn't coincidental, btw. Sentimental schlock, yes. But sometimes we readers have to be reminded that widespread carnage of fake, pale imitations shouldn't be casually dismissed just "because they don't matter." Life and heroism in the face of certain death matters. And use of the word, "maybe," in this context is a literary tool for persuasive writing. Here, the writer acknowledges our reactions of apathy and persuades us that even though they aren't real -- and faker than most fictional characters -- this scene matters anyway.

Maybe you don't understand that, but you should.

^ Which is just a way of saying you actually don't understand it despite using the word, "maybe."

Sundipped MURDERER

^Becoming redundant again.
I already stated this:

Originally posted by Sundipped
Some of them came from there but not all

But really, at this point going back and forth about these disagreements doesn't amout to much and frankly....

But Thanos still wins. 👆

ODG Find Your Own Fire

^ We all agreed nobody gave a phuck about the worthless Nemesis who got one-shotted by Black Knight when we started this conversation, didn't we? The uselessness of the Ego Gem completing the Nemesis system has nothing to do with this thread anyway.

Sundipped MURDERER

In response to your question:

Originally posted by Sundipped
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Remember the gems were screwing with her head.
Anyway, what happened afterwards with the waves blows that out of the water and indicates the power to disrupt at least 1 "uni/multi"verse with limited gems. That's what stands out to me and what I choose to look at.

In response to your last sentence: 👆