Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet vs Dawn of Time Anti-Monitor...

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ If you're going to begin attacking with fallacies, we're done here.

My data-base is Marvel Comics books. On Panel first and foremost.

The Handbooks are used to cement my On Panel evidence.

You want On Panel clarification that Pocket-Dimensions have Boundaries?

No problem homie.

.. my database is handbooks ... 😂

No, you've posted little else but cobbled-up mishmash of handbooks and websites on this issue.

Your database is worthless. I do like this notion that if Cap w/ IG traveled to the Asgard dimension, he'd be powerless to defend himself against Odin because it's not actually a part of the 616 reality/Eternity/native universe.

Way to COMPLETELY avoid the absurd consequences of your argument. With results like this, it's a wonder why you keep clinging to your distorted cosmology. I bet Nightmare beats the sh1t out of Thanos w/IG if he's in the Nightmare realm. Ditto, Aggamotto. Phuck, even Zeus would kick Thanos w/ IG's butt in an Olympus dimension. HILARIOUS.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Anyway, so I guess we're not getting anywhere here.

Originally posted by Mr Master
My final point again since you're not conveying it correctly.

Nemesis warped both Universes, they didn't remain destroyed,
they were remade, brought to their origins and back in a wave of pure creative energy,
not unlike the wave that fixed everything in the end:

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16034061/Nem_remakes1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16034062/Nem_remakes2.jpg.html

[b]See Everyone there getting Obliterated and REMADE in the next moment. [/b]

The 616 Universe wasn't brought back to its origins. While the Ultraverse was warped, the only thing that happened to the 616 Universe was the Avengers were returned and Night Man was stranded there. Neither of which I dispute are beyond the IG's power, much less Nemesis'.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Same shit as what Nemesis (oh wow, exactly alike - a Wave of Creative Energy)
did the first time around:

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16000777/Nem1-1.jpg.html
"Not with Destructive force, but pure Creative Energy"

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So, again, Nemesis remade both UniverseS,
then she tried to create a mini-reality withIN one of the re-created universes (Ultraverse)
and it collapsed after Two characters from Two separate MultiverseS touched.

So yea, there was an Ultraverse & Godwheel still around,
cause it was remade just like in the above scans the next time
with the exact same Creative Energies and method.

stoned

And stop bastardizing the comic's events. She never remade the Ultraverse and Godwheel off-panel at the beginning of Ultraforce/Avengers. That's Galacticstorm-lite. Feel free to ignore what Contrary witnessed and explained on-panel where she literally tells us what happened. I couldn't care less as Nemesis isn't even in this thread.

Originally posted by operator616

what? you yourself said that asgard is in a pocket dimension outside 616,
your point being?

Originally posted by operator616

ok, what are those 30 scans?

It's kinda amusing.

^ Silly me thinking the Infinity Gauntlet wouldn't be utterly powerless if he stepped into the Asgard dimension. Me iz so illogicals.

Excuse me while I laugh my way right out of this thread.

Originally posted by Mr Master
What? I did say that.
You said that guy was saying the Nine Worlds are within 616,
and he never said that, or implied that.

Oh, not yet, I still wanna see more logic trying to oppose the facts.

It's kinda amusing.

ok, so you said that asgard is outside 616 right? the scan shows that asgard is IN midgard which is the 616 earth, so how exactly is asgard outside of 616?

another thing, when you say asgard outside of 616 do you also mean that only 1 asgard exists in the mutliverse?

Originally posted by ODG
The only fallacy is your logic.
No, you've posted little else but cobbled-up mishmash of
handbooks and websites on this issue.
Your database is worthless.

All posts of this type will be responded to accordingly.

Originally posted by ODG

I do like this notion that if Cap w/ IG traveled to the Asgard
dimension, he'd be powerless to defend himself against Odin
because it's not actually a part of the 616 reality/Eternity/native
universe. Way to COMPLETELY avoid the absurd consequences of
your argument. With results like this, it's a wonder why you keep
clinging to your distorted cosmology. I bet Nightmare beats the
sh1t out of Thanos w/IG if he's in the Nightmare realm. Ditto,
Aggamotto. Phuck, even Zeus would kick Thanos w/ IG's butt in an
Olympus dimension. HILARIOUS. That's somehow my fault?
kinda You want to move the goalposts to a completely different
scene? Whatever.

Originally posted by ODG
The 616 Universe wasn't brought back to its origins. While the
Ultraverse was warped, the only thing that happened to the 616
Universe was the Avengers were returned and Night Man was
stranded there. Neither of which I dispute are beyond the IG's
power, much less Nemesis'. She never remade both universes.
She created a single America-sized universe on top of the existing
Godwheel and forced all the heroes who were fighting her to watch
her fail. Then she panicked and teleported to the existing
Ultraverse Earth. Then she started warping it and getting all pms'y
that she had done nothing the entire time but paint over an
existing work of creation.
And stop bastardizing the comic's events. She never remade the
Ultraverse and Godwheel off-panel at the beginning of
Ultraforce/Avengers. That's Galacticstorm-lite. Feel free to ignore
what Contrary witnessed and explained on-panel where she
literally tells us what happened. I couldn't care less as Nemesis
isn't even in this thread.

Anyway ...

so yea, it all makes perfect sense now.

Nemesis Warped both UniverseS (616 & Ultraverse)
to it's Origins as depicted and stated On Panel:

"Not with Destructive force, but pure Creative Energy"

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Then as Contrary eloquently tells us Nemesis made a mini-reality,
"containing elements of UniverseS it'd experienced
and Fastforwarded through Evolution"

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Now what UniverseS aside from the Ultraverse could Nemesis's have possibly experienced
if Nemesis never stepped out of the Ultraverse?

You may not know, but one wonders how she got the idea of this unique hybrid
of Reality-616 and Ultraverse universe creations. We get a couple
of interesting blends, from a Ghoul-Hulk amalgam; to
Kevin Green (the Ultraverse's Prime) in the role of Rick
Jones, head of the Teen Brigade; to Bob Campbell as Prototype to
substitute for Iron Man; to Mantra taking the Thing's place in
the Fantastic Four. Xavier as Reed and other crazies.

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16034906_Nem_hulk.jpg]
[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16034905_Nem_FF.jpg]
[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16034907_Nem_Pro.jpg]

If the Prime Multiverse that houses 616 had nothing to do with
the Two UniverseS getting Warped, why are those 616 characters part of the party?

Characters that NEVER were part of the story until now!

Hulk and the Fantastic Four amongst many otherS
had absolutely Nothing to do with this Arc until Nemesis
created that mini-reality which is After
Nemesis let off her "Wave of pure Creative Energy" on Both UniverseS.

Which happens to be the exact same "Creative Force"
that well ... Obliterates then Remakes Everything
in virtually one swoop!

See Everyone there getting Obliterated and REMADE in the next moment, with pure Creative Force!

Same shit as what Nemesis did to the Two UniverseS!

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Nemesis proved this is the way this Wave of Creative Energy works.
So, the Writer & Artist made No mistake by having Nemesis obliterate/re-create Both Universes
with her "Creative Energies" for this is how its done.

Heck, the remaining energies of 4 Gems were doing the same shit on top of the Ultraverse,
repeatedly.

Unfortunately Plot had Nemesis messing up trying to create again but withIN the Ultraverse,
and this as we already know is due to the Gems messing with her confusing her.

She did it right the first time around but that was the writer showing us her potential,
she was bound to mess everything up with that Plot included cause after all,
how else was she going to lose. 😬

^^ If the 616 Reality was not involved here during Nemesis' Warp,
why then was the entire Prime Multiverse Folded into the Malibu Multiverse?

Originally posted by operator616

ok, so you said that asgard is outside 616 right? the scan shows
that asgard is IN midgard which is the 616 earth, so how exactly is
asgard outside of 616?

Everyone knows currently/temporarily Asgard's Land Mass (Not the pocket-dimension itself)
is in 616,
right above Earth in the atmosphere.

You do realize this happened not too long ago.
Ok, let's avoid spins my friend.
You haven't ... No one has presented a single shred of proof that
puts Asgard's "Sea of Space" (also called Asgard-Space)
withIN the 616 Reality/Universe.
That goes for any Other Entire Universe and any Pocket-Dimension as well.

No one has, and no one can. (I'm the one with 30 scans that say otherwise)

Originally posted by operator616

another thing, when you say asgard outside of 616 do you also
mean that only 1 asgard exists in the mutliverse?

Originally posted by Mr Master
😐 ...

Everyone knows currently/temporarily Asgard's Land Mass (Not the pocket-dimension itself)
is in 616,
right above Earth in the atmosphere.

You do realize this happened not too long ago.
Ok, let's avoid spins my friend.
You haven't ... No one has presented a single shred of proof that
puts Asgard's "Sea of Space" (also called Asgard-Space)
withIN the 616 Reality/Universe.
That goes for any Other Entire Universe and any Pocket-Dimension as well.

No one has, and no one can. (I'm the one with 30 scans that say otherwise)

No.

so you meant asgard's sea of space not the landamass right? so why didn't you specify that? you kept on using the word 'asgard' so how i was supposed to know that you were referring to the sea of space and not the landmass? because 'asgard' is usually referred to as the landmass not the sea of space.

anyway, forget it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Gibberish.

All posts of this type will be responded to accordingly.

Gibberish.

I mean... I've thrown the absurd consequences of your bastardized cosmology in your face three times in a row (this is the fourth!) and you're just completely stupified as to how to respond because it backfired so spectacularly.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Ok, so something to reply, ... but lol at that other poster's reference.
I don't call out people behind their backs. So won't entertain that.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Then as Contrary eloquently tells us Nemesis made a mini-reality,
"containing elements of Universe[b]S it'd experienced
and Fastforwarded through Evolution"

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16034908/Nem_remakes3.jpg.html

Now what UniverseS aside from the Ultraverse could Nemesis's have possibly experienced
if Nemesis never stepped out of the Ultraverse?[/b]

Originally posted by Mr Master
Heck, the remaining energies of 4 Gems were doing the same shit on top of the Ultraverse,
repeatedly.

btw. Nemesis never experienced 616.
Nemesis was whole in the previous Reality,
where it was the embodiment/God of said Reality.

The New Creation/Eternity/616 came Afterwards,
while the power of the IB was in the Gems and its Consciousness
in the Ego Gem booted into the Ultraverse.
(that's the story)

Originally posted by ODG

I like the blatant dumbfounded silence you've been subjected to
on this point. I'll let that stew for a while. Thanos w/ IG jumps
into Asgard space and finds the Infinity Gauntlet depowered
because he's no longer in his native 616 universe/reality (or
connected to it). Smart.
I mean... I've thrown the absurd consequences of your bastardized
cosmology in your face three times in a row (this is the fourth!)
and you're just completely stupified as to how to respond because
it backfired so spectacularly. I'm calling you Galacticstorm-lite to
your face. I like how Nemesis recreated the Ultraverse and 616
Universe off-panel somewhere, right after she resurrects all the
heroes, but before she starts building her America-sized universe
on the Godwheel habitat. All that off-panel. Reminds me of when
the WPotC severed a timeline with telekinesis off-panel. Why
would Nemesis have no experience of its native 616 Universe
where it came from? What an oafish assertion. And what
pointlessly filmsy extrapolation that follows. Irrelevant. I never
denied that the Infinity Gems were capable of universal warping.
Even repeated universal warping.

I gave my perspective with On Panel proof that's been solidified by 3 official bios.
You gave your On Panel view of the events.

That's it, the thread's there for the onlookers to decide.

Have a good weekend sir. stoned

Thanos wins

Originally posted by Mr Master
btw. Nemesis never experienced 616.
Nemesis was whole in the previous Reality,
where it was the embodiment/God of said Reality.

The New Creation/Eternity/616 came Afterwards,
while the power of the IB was in the Gems and its Consciousness
in the Ego Gem booted into the Ultraverse.
(that's the story)

Originally posted by Mr Master
You must be under the impression that all this blustering is getting somewhere.
I skimmed through the beginning and noticed it's still the same,
off-topic gibberish meshed with your respected but disagreed with interpretation.

IG = powerless in Asgard space. Or Negative Zone. Or Microverse. Or Nightmare's Realm. Or Cyttorak's Crimson Cosmos. Or classic Olympus. According to you... because they somehow lie beyond the boundaries of the 616 Reality/Eternity/native universe. Doesn't sound buffoonish at all. My biting criticism has more to do with my disbelief that even you believe in the absurd consequences. Hence why I resent having to waste time even deconstructing it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I gave my perspective with On Panel proof that's been solidified by 3 official bios.
You gave your On Panel view of the events.

That's it, the thread's there for the onlookers to decide.

Have a good weekend sir. stoned

You have a great weekend too.

Originally posted by ODG
I do like this notion that if Cap w/ IG traveled to the Asgard dimension, he'd be powerless to defend himself against Odin because it's not actually a part of the 616 reality/Eternity/native universe

😂

i tried that road as well.....i was waiting to see the response but to you, but.... 🙁 anyway, thank goodness it's not just me.

anyway, there is also the little paradox established by the fact that MIDGARD (the 616 'UNIVERSE!'😉 is actually ONE of the NINE WORLDS! i for one would be KEENLY interested in hearing that little issue explained away.....mr.m, thoughts?

^^ True that friend Leo ... only "Midgard" is established as being
the only one in Another Dimension.

Interesting isn't it. 🙂

Originally posted by ODG

I mean, the Mind Gem is 616's universal collective unconscious.
The Soul Gem contains Soul World. Space and Time Gem... well...
you get what I'm saying. I mean, these things were sentient.
Sometimes, vampiric. If you're trying to say that the
conglomeration of these Gems have no experience with the actual
universe that spawned them (or vice versa), well just agree to
disagree. Yes, you've reached an impasse with your distorted
cosmology. A rather stupefying impasse. But one that isn't my
fault. And it's one that illustrates perfectly my skeptical incredulity
with it all.
IG = powerless in Asgard space. Or Negative Zone. Or
Microverse. Or Nightmare's Realm. Or Cyttorak's Crimson
Cosmos. Or classic Olympus. According to you... because they
somehow lie beyond the boundaries of the 616
Reality/Eternity/native universe. Doesn't sound buffoonish at all.
My biting criticism has more to do with my disbelief that even you
believe in the absurd consequences. Hence why I resent having to
waste time even deconstructing it. Yeah, sure. And still nobody
gives a sh1t about Nemesis who isn't even in this thread or about
handbooks in general. But, y'know, I never denied you had an
argument. You do.

Originally posted by ODG

You have a great weekend too.

Originally posted by Mr Master
doped ... Enjoy the last many, many, many, many words. 😂

👆

👆

^^ I've posted enough proof,
but If believing that gives your manhood rise, more power to ya. srugdoped

One question. Can IG work in asgard ?

^ Yes. And it's stupid to argue otherwise.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ I've posted enough proof,
but If believing that gives your manhood rise, more power to ya. srugdoped

This has nothing to do with ego. I treat other frivolously trite arguments similarly. Sometimes twice on Tuesday. It's because it's easy, not because it's hard.

But by all means, keep feigning this air of carefree disdain. It doesn't smell like abject denial at all. kinda

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ True that friend Leo ... only "Midgard" is established as being
the only one in Another Dimension.

Interesting isn't it. 🙂

huh? not following that. there are interdimensional portals in asgard to the other worlds that make up the nine worlds. you can't walk to hel from asgard, you need a dimensional portal or you need to make a portal. there is an interdimensional relationship between all the nine worlds. allowing for the fact that midgard is part of the nine worlds, REALLY doesn't make eternity look very good. ❌

he's what? relegated to representing one tiny little piece of a larger norse cosmography?? and a young part at that, given that others of the nine worlds are far older than midgard.

and, if midgard is part of the nine worlds, surtur's flames WOULD have destroyed midgard, since you yourself proved it was the nine worlds in danger, which would have made the flames at LEAST universal (since midgard IS a universe) and......multidimensional to boot since the other parts of the nine worlds would have been destroyed as well??

and if asgard is a different reality as you claim, then the ig wouldn't work there, according to you. but if midgard is part of the nine worlds, and the ig works here it SHOULD work there, but that is outside your 616 idea of eternity.

so...... yeah. 😐

Originally posted by leonidas

huh? not following that. there are interdimensional portals in
asgard to the other worlds that make up the nine worlds. you can't
walk to hel from asgard, you need a dimensional portal or you need
to make a portal. there is an interdimensional relationship between
all the nine worlds. allowing for the fact that midgard is part of the
nine worlds, REALLY doesn't make eternity look very good.
he's what? relegated to representing one tiny little piece of a larger
norse cosmography?? and a young part at that, given that others
of the nine worlds are far older than midgard.
and, if midgard is part of the nine worlds, surtur's flames WOULD
have destroyed midgard, since you yourself proved it was the nine
worlds in danger, which would have made the flames at LEAST
universal (since midgard IS a universe) and......multidimensional to
boot since the other parts of the nine worlds would have been
destroyed as well??
and if asgard is a different reality as you claim, then the ig wouldn't
work there, according to you. but if midgard is part of the nine
worlds, and the ig works here it SHOULD work there, but that is
outside your 616 idea of eternity.

so...... yeah.

Those portals in Asgard-Space and the rest are inter-dimensional,
but they're also a natural Nexus that connects the 8 Worlds.
616-Reality is Not part of that natural network.

4 of the 8 Worlds are literally on Asgard's greater land mass.
Asgard-Vanaheim-Alfheim and Nidavellir
The rest: Jotunheim-Svartalfheim-Hel-Niffleheim and Muspelheim
are lone pocket-dimensions themselves intrinsically connected via
those Nexuses that apply to those 8 Worlds solely. (very important to know)
616 is the only entire Universe out of all this though.

As for the flames taking out the 616 reality.
I wish they were that bad ass but it was probably just planet Earth
since the flames at best affected that Pocket-Dimension (Asgard-Space)

The statements were majestic but the action was limited to a Pocket-Realm.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ If the 616 Reality was not involved here during Nemesis' Warp,
why then was the entire Prime Multiverse Folded into the Malibu Multiverse?

It just occurred to me that Nemesis may have indeed been multiversal due to not only that but the destruction/remaking of the entire Ultraverse when her wig got split.

In your scan above, alternate Ultraforce members are shown which indicates that the Ultraverse itself is multiversal in scope although generally speaking, it was commonly referred to as just a universe. If we go by this synopsis of the cosmological structure stated in LT's OHOTMU entry, then I don't see why the same jurisdictions wouldn't apply to the Ultraverse:

Staying in synch with that, one wave from 4 gems erased and remade the totality of the Ultraverse/Multiverse (collection of alternate earths) with plenty of energy left to spare. Energy that was warping realities without the primary warping gem (reality) in effect. Cool. 😎