Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet vs Dawn of Time Anti-Monitor...

The Spectre wasn't really trying to kill the Anti-Monitor, he was banished back to the Anti-Matter universe (Hell) by The Spectre. He (Anti-Monitor) seemed to use his energy up battling the Spectre and the next time we see him he is feeding on a star to give him power again. He also used his own energy breaching the wall of Creation and the energy he had at the dawn of time was from the heroes life forces not from anything else. Just adding info into what happened during coie. Both Thanos w/IG and DT Anti-Monitor are pretty powerful no doubt about that at all.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

I have simple logic...

Is there a force equal to or stronger than the IG? If the answer is yes
(and the answer IS yes) then the IG doesnt give mastery over
anything and the Infinity Being was not GOD despite what old writing might say...

Simple logic...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

The Infinity Gauntlet was established as the Core of GODS might
during the Thanos Quest and supported as such during the 6 series
Infinity Gauntlet arc...

HOWEVER, as of Warlock and the Infinity Watch #1, the IG was
Retconned into not being all-powerful...

The Tribunal, in that issue, reversed an action taken by the weilder
of the "all-mighty" IG (to Warlocks suprise) and stood ready to take
the IG from Warlock by force (and Warlock backed down as he
knew the Tribunals judgement was final and he couldnt really do
much about it)...

So once again, the IG is not all-powerful and gives mastery over
nothing; the original writing pertaining to the gauntlet was shown to
not be true over time...

The 616 IG makes you Master/Supreme/God over all Concepts, over all reality.

The LT was above the IG cause he came as a direct representative of TOAA's power.

"I represent forces that dwarf even your might ... My authority comes from on high"

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Warlock made it clear that it was TOAA that was above the 616 IG:

"I was called to judgement by the LT, the servant of the one who is above even Gods"

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When the "Forces" you're bringing to the battle are TOAA's,
there's no arguing all are beneath you.

The amazing thing is, that even still,
the LT had to determine if he had the power to forcibly take the IG from Warlock,
and he did have the power, but he had to make sure first,
even though the LT knew he was backed by TOAA.

Love the writing there ... it made a point.

Simply incredible.

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Originally posted by Mr Master

The amazing thing is, that even still,
the LT had to determine if he had the power to forcibly take the IG from Warlock,
and he did have the power, but he had to make sure first,
even though the LT knew he was backed by TOAA.

👆
In terms of forcibly taking the gems from Adams person, LT said that such a conflict would lay waste to that reality.

In other words, it would've taken a whole lot more than that snap of the fingers that restored order during the court session. Impressive....even with LT saying he's backed by the ultimate power in Marvel.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nice. Unfortunately "simpleton" logic doesn't fit here.

I disagree ...

The 616 IG makes you Master/Supreme/God over all Concepts, over all reality.

The LT was above the IG cause he came as a direct representative of TOAA's power.

"I represent forces [b]that dwarf even your might ... My authority comes from on high"

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Warlock made it clear that it was TOAA that was above the 616 IG:

"I was called to judgement by the LT, the servant of the one who is above even Gods"

----------------------------------------------------------------------

When the "Forces" you're bringing to the battle are TOAA's,
there's no arguing all are beneath you.

The amazing thing is, that even still,
the LT had to determine if he had the power to forcibly take the IG from Warlock,
and he did have the power, but he had to make sure first,
even though the LT knew he was backed by TOAA.

Love the writing there ... it made a point.

Simply incredible.

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"Simpleton" logic works perfectly here...

Despite everything you posted, you proved my point; there is a power beyond that of the IG (thanx for agreeing with me btw)...

Therefore the Infinity Being was not GOD and the IG makes you master over nothing...

Simpleton logic...known otherwise as common sense...you might want to read up on it.

It really is that simple; if something...anything is beyond you, you arent GOD nor are you all-powerful...common sense Mr Master...common sense.

Originally posted by Sundipped
👆
In terms of forcibly taking the gems from Adams person, LT said that such a conflict would lay waste to that reality.

In other words, it would've taken a whole lot more than that snap of the fingers that restored order during the court session. Impressive....even with LT saying he's backed by the ultimate power in Marvel.

Nevertheless, the LT seemingly believed it was within him to take the gems from Warlock by force...

So what if the damage wrought would have devestated that reality; we are presently arguing wether or not the IG makes one the "master" of everything....it clearly does not.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

"Simpleton" logic works perfectly here...

Despite everything you posted, you proved my point; there is a power beyond that of the IG...

Therefore the Infinity Being was not GOD and the IG makes you master over nothing...

Simpleton logic...known otherwise as common sense ...you might want to read up on it.

It really is that simple; if something...[b]anything is beyond you,
you arent GOD nor are you all-powerful...common sense Mr
Master...common sense. [/B]

I don't enjoy debating to far without proof,
and since you haven't produced a single shred of it ...

... I gots ta skip ... which is also common sense.

And assure yourself of one thing today .. I never agreed with you.

But anyway, for the onlookers one last time.

TOAA is the representative artists/writers of Marvel stories.

They create Supreme being/God/Master of all Reality with the stroke of a pencil.

The Omniverse is the canvas they work on.

For us, it's the 'OMG reality that's fill with an infinite amount of MultiverseS' ...
to the TOAA, it's just their imagination illustrated for their enjoyment.

Simple ...

So,
if TOAA decides to appoint/create a Supreme Being for their canvas (omniverse)
it is what it is.

You're mistake is in categorizing TOAA with their drawings.

That's not common sense.

Answer this simple question Mr Master; if something is more powerful than you are, can you be GOD?

And you know dam well what the answer is; common sense for the win...

The LT>>the IG; the IG is not all-powerful as a result...

Logic for the win...

^^ I'm not into "real world" logic ftw formats.

I'm more "Marvel Comic Book" proof FTW.

Again, since TOAA is not to be categorized with its drawings,
and since TOAA creates GOD on panel,
then that's all there is.

Also, you continue to ignore the fact that the LT came with the TOAA's Power! doh
(which isn't something that can be defined. It just makes the LT greater)

Originally posted by Sundipped

In terms of forcibly taking the gems from Adams person,
LT said that such a conflict would lay waste to that reality.

In other words, it would've taken a whole lot more than that snap of
the fingers that restored order during the court session.
Impressive....even with LT saying he's backed by the ultimate power in Marvel.

I know it's beautiful.

The LT was a representative of TOAA's Power and he still
had to determine whether he had enough power to take down Warlock by force.

That's no doubt Starlin making a point.

This point was made again by Starlin in the later arc "Infinity War."

When Starlin himself (TOAA) due to the threat the IG posed,
was the one that put the second restriction on the IG:

We also again read: "The Power that the Living Tribunal Represents"

My, my, you don't see that often. (once, big maybe twice before)

Where TOAA itself plays a vital role within a story.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Nevertheless, the LT seemingly believed it was within him to take the gems from Warlock by force...

So what if the damage wrought would have devestated that reality; we are presently arguing wether or not the IG makes one the "master" of everything....it clearly does not.

TBH, I don't know what you're arguing. You have already been shown the scan where LT states his power dwarfs the IG because he is a representative of TOAA.

Originally posted by Mr Master

We also again read: "The Power that the Living Tribunal Represents"

My, my, you don't see that often. (once, big maybe twice before)

Where TOAA itself plays a vital role within a story.

...And again during Illuminati(2007)... And again during Avengers(2011).

😛

What is so hard about the TOAA creating a being that is GOD and using this "God" to create everything in the marvel universe? I mean really.. just because Marvel writers can recton or choose another more powerful down the road.. means what exactly.. that the IB wasn't God since.. it was created by something more powerful? Marvel creates EVERYTHING but isn't a comic book character. We're only talking about comic book characters.. not their creators. To imply that the creators are above the IB and thus he's not truly God.. is well.. retarded.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What is so hard about the TOAA creating a being that is GOD and using this "God" to create everything in the marvel universe? I mean really.. just because Marvel writers can recton or choose another more powerful down the road.. means what exactly.. that the IB wasn't God since.. it was created by something more powerful? Marvel creates EVERYTHING but isn't a comic book character. We're only talking about comic book characters.. not their creators. To imply that the creators are above the IB and thus he's not truly God.. is well.. retarded.

Ah, but look at it like this Thanosi; Marvel initially made the Infinity Being GOD and the Infinity gems the Core of this beings might...

From The Thanos Quest to The Infinity Gauntlet issue 6, this was true...BUT in Warlock and the Infinity Watch #1, Marvel apparently had a change of heart and decided that the Tribunal (regardless of their reason) was greater than the complete IG.

At that moment, the creation story of the Infinity Being being GOD was reality warped into bullsh*t; the asembled Infinity Gems making one the master of all there is was reality warped into bullsh*t...

Why? Because there was now something around greater than the IG (which is the LT) and if the LT was greater than the asembled gems, then they were no longer all-powerful and the Infinity Being was no longer GOD...

Cold blooded raw logic for the win...

Originally posted by Galan007
Obviously TOAA changed his mind off-panel, because Eternity's proclamation was rendered completely invalid/non-canon a few years later, during Rune/Surfer(1995)... And again during Ultraforce/Avengers(1995).

...And again during Illuminati(2007)... And again during Avengers(2011).

😛

👆

Things change in comics all the time...

The complete IG was rendered non-all-powerful a long time ago and that hasnt changed since; let the heavens rain blood...

💃

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Ah, but look at it like this Thanosi; Marvel initially made the Infinity Being GOD and the Infinity gems the Core of this beings might...

From The Thanos Quest to The Infinity Gauntlet issue 6, this was true...[B]BUT in Warlock and the Infinity Watch #1, Marvel apparently had a change of heart and decided that the Tribunal (regardless of their reason) was greater than the complete IG.

At that moment, the creation story of the Infinity Being being GOD was reality warped into bullsh*t; the asembled Infinity Gems making one the master of all there is was reality warped into bullsh*t...

Why? Because there was now something around greater than the IG (which is the LT) and if the LT was greater than the asembled gems, then they were no longer all-powerful and the Infinity Being was no longer GOD...

Cold blooded raw logic for the win... [/B]

Ever heard the term the sum is greater than its parts? Those gems were ONE BEING... one being totally and perfectly used to its power in the most explict and intricate way possible. That is totally different than splitting up that power many different ways and give it to an individual neither used to such power nor even close to being one with the power over eons and eons. Those are two totally different things entirely. Futhermore, WHOEVER the TOAA decides to back is going to be the most powerful being... It could be reed in a story.. but we wouldn't go reed is the most powerful being and GOD.. Just like we don't say the LT is just because he was backed by God and came with his power and backing. That is again, retarded.

Originally posted by Galan007

Obviously TOAA changed his mind off-panel, because Eternity's
proclamation was rendered completely invalid/non-canon a few years
later, during Rune/Surfer(1995)... And again during
Ultraforce/Avengers(1995).

...And again during Illuminati(2007)... And again during Avengers(2011).

So TOAA of those stories let the show go on.

The good thing is, that none of them degraded the 616 IG outside of stipulations.

Originally posted by Sundipped

TBH, I don't know what you're arguing. You have already been
shown the scan where LT states his power dwarfs the IG because he is
a representative of TOAA.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

What is so hard about the TOAA creating a being that is GOD and
using this "God" to create everything in the marvel universe? I mean
really.. just because Marvel writers can recton or choose another
more powerful down the road.. means what exactly.. that the IB
wasn't God since.. it was created by something more powerful? Marvel
creates EVERYTHING but isn't a comic book character. We're only
talking about comic book characters.. not their creators. To imply that
the creators are above the IB and thus he's not truly God.. is well.. retarded.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ever heard the term the sum is greater than its parts? Those
gems were ONE BEING... one being totally and perfectly used to its
power in the most explict and intricate way possible. That is totally
different than splitting up that power many different ways and give
it to an individual neither used to such power nor even close to
being one with the power over eons and eons. Those are two totally
different things entirely. Futhermore, WHOEVER the TOAA decides
to back is going to be the most powerful being... It could be reed in
a story.. but we wouldn't go reed is the most powerful being and
GOD.. Just like we don't say the LT is just because he was backed
by God and came with his power and backing. That is again, retarded.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

Ah, but look at it like this Thanosi; Marvel initially made the Infinity
Being GOD and the Infinity gems the Core of this beings might...

From The Thanos Quest to The Infinity Gauntlet issue 6, this was
true...BUT in Warlock and the Infinity Watch #1, Marvel apparently
had a change of heart and decided that the Tribunal (regardless of
their reason) was greater than the complete IG.

At that moment, the creation story of the Infinity Being being GOD
was reality warped into bullsh*t; the asembled Infinity Gems
making one the master of all there is was reality warped into bullsh*t...

Why? Because there was now something around greater than the
IG (which is the LT) and if the LT was greater than the asembled
gems, then they were no longer all-powerful and the Infinity Being
was no longer GOD...

Starlin wrote both arcs!

What are you talking about?

The Infinity Being was referenced (along with the SAME historical input)
4 Years AFTER the Infinity Watch #1 & LT scenario.

Also ... even OTHER MultiverseS know Thanos' account!

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Diana (character from/in another Multiverse tells us basically the same thing:

"There was a GOD with the power of Infinity, even with control of All that is,
the God's loneliness could not be soothed. By his own hand he died"

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IB's history is quickly referenced in the Infinity Gauntlet's 2009 bio and Mephisto's 2010 bio.

Next.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

Cold blooded raw logic for the win...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
The Infinity Gauntlet was established as the Core of GODS might during the Thanos Quest and supported as such during the 6 series Infinity Gauntlet arc...

HOWEVER, as of Warlock and the Infinity Watch #1, the IG was Retconned into [b]not being all-powerful...

The Tribunal, in that issue, reversed an action taken by the weilder of the "all-mighty" IG (to Warlocks suprise) and stood ready to take the IG from Warlock by force (and Warlock backed down as he knew the Tribunals judgement was final and he couldnt really do much about it)...

So once again, the IG is not all-powerful and gives mastery over nothing; the original writing pertaining to the gauntlet was shown to not be true over time... [/B]

Keep in mind that LT only stopped the gems from working together AFTER Warlock agreed and disbanded them, making them no longer the IG, but simply single Infinity Gems (which are much weaker on their own, than when they are combined). So clearly the LT is more powerful than seperate gems, even all seperate gems, but when they are brought together to make the IG, that superior level is not so nearly clear cut.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The good thing is, that none of them degraded the 616 IG outside of stipulations.

Although Hickman certainly seemed to paint all infinity gauntlets in a universal light, that certainly doesn't mean the 616 IG's feats were retconned. It's kind of like Beyonder; he may have been warped/retconned into different 'things' over the years, but almost all of his most uber feats are still valid to this day.

Originally posted by Galan007

Degraded as in depowered, and/or discredited what the IG has
done on panel, you mean? You're right, all of its feats are as valid as ever.

Originally posted by Galan007

Although Hickman certainly seemed to paint all infinity gauntlets in a
universal light, that certainly doesn't mean the 616 IG's feats were
retconned. It's kind of like Beyonder; he may have been
warped/retconned into different 'things' over the years, but almost all
of his most uber feats are still valid to this day.

The 616 IG never appeared
and was never referenced as universal that I recall in Hickman's run.