Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Well Dawn of Time Anti-Monitor has no battle feats...However he did acquire a tremendous amount of power from multiple universes and tanked the Creation Blast...
So while he doesnt have combat feats at this stage, he still was clearly tremendously powerful...
So people are voting for something that doesn't have battle feats over somebody who wtfpwnd Celestials.. Galactus... Eternity etc etc with utter ease... Yeah.. makes sense to me :facepalm:
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder@Mr Master
I am well aware of what was said on panel during the Infinity Arcs pertaining to the IG...
HOWEVER things have a tendency change over time in comics; things that were once true are no longer true over time...
616 IG hasn't change though.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderI cant recall the characters name, but didnt some guy acquire
enough power to battle Thanos with the IG sans the backing of TOAA?
If you're referring to Maelstrom, (in the Quasar book) he came to
Thanos who had just acquired the IG. Talked some crap,
then Thanos blasted him and it seemed he was disintegrated,
then he re-appeared and disappeared.
No one can say for sure what happened.
I always felt Mael was erased and brought back by Oblivion who he was working for.
Anyway, what we do know for sure is:
IG > all the Abstracts easily.
While Maelstrom (harnessing Oblivion's power + Eon's Awareness +
Anomaly + Quasar's Bands + his own inherent powers)
was stalemated by an Infinity empowered Quasar.
It wasn't Maelstrom's time to go at that point,
which is why the Writer had him bump into a Newb IG wielding Thanos.
Thanos after adapting to Godhood murders that punk.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderHasnt Scathan demostrated his power to be beyond that of the
LT's (who appears to be superior to the IG)? Does Scathan have
TOAA's backing? I certainly saw nothing on panel to indicate that he did...
So the LT is still second only to TOAA.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderYou have said it yourself (and others, myself included, agree
with this; heck, even MEPHISTO himself said this during the Infinity
War) that a lone CCU is theoretically equal to a complete IG;
do CCU's have TOAA's backing?I think not...
Positively? No.
CCU can make you like unto God in reality as well though. For sure.
Also, the CCU energy comes from the BeyonderS.
A realm/race that makes "All There Is .... dwindle into insignificance"
The BeyonderS may be a an entire race of pre-retcon Beyonders.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderAll in all,
I dont think the IG only being able to be beaten by TOAA or his representative is true anymore...
Although,
considering the BeyonderS are Beyond/Outside all creation,
and a minute bit of their power has proven to be all encompassing,
they may be the only legit threat to the 616 IG imo.
Don't get me wrong,
others have come and gone
that may be on par with the scale of influence over Reality of the IG,
but they're no longer around. 🙁
It took the power of a massively amped Spectre just to thwart DoT AM:
"[Spectre] sees worlds that have never existed and never will! He sees shapes and colors and patterns and concepts undreamt of by even his master!(God)"
Or to put it even simpler, Spectre possessed "infinite energy":
Despite wielding such power, it was Spectre who was rendered comatose/incapacitated in the wake of his and AM's battle:
While AM himself was none the worse for wear:
Why was AM so powerful? Because he had absorbed the energies of an infinite amount of universes.
👆 At-least Galan brought in some perspective for AM.
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What is the power of the 616 Infinity Gems, where did it come from?
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There's several instances where it was explained, here are two of them:
(they're all the same basically)
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I had this one already saved so ...
"Gems ... they were once a being of limitless power."
"This Being was the only Living Thing that Existed within Any and ALL Realities"
"It was all that Was and all that was, was it"
"This being was Infinity and Forever"
"No one fault you for calling it GOD ... what other name would fit?"
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(which makes sense)
"ALL That Was Was already Part of Itself ... there was NO Other in it's Life"
"It chose to put an End to itself ...
from it's Ashes rose ALL That is currently Reality ... in ALL it's many forms"
*** The core of this being might was re-incarnated in the 6 Infinity Gems"
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Diana (character from another Multiverse tells us basically the same thing:
"There was a GOD with the power of Infinity, even with control of All that is,
the God's loneliness could not be soothed. By his own hand he died"
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Aside from creating the Marvel Omniverse & the placing its power in the 6 Gems ...
The Infinity Being performed one feat on panel, (in a re-telling)
perhaps the only one we have.
The IB was filled with life, but since literally anything/everything was part of it,
(no peers of any kind)
it felt lonely.
Anyway, one time the IB took a part of itself and created countless life-forms
that turned into demons (Mephisto being one of them)
the IB was unhappy with this creation and so it annihilated all of them. (one shot)
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In the Ultraverse "some left over energy" of the 6 Gems,
remade several MultiverseS on panel, maybe the Omniverse entire.
That's its most incredible feat! (and it wasn't even complete IG power) lol
I have those scans. 🙂
@Mr Master
Despite the text from those scans you posted, those telling the Infinity Gems origins are not even correct as "GOD" wouldnt be an accurate description of the "Infinity" Being because there are still powers in existance equal to or beyond it...
The true TOAA has no equal or superior...theoretical or otherwise.
Thus the being that destroyed itself to give rise to the Infinity Gems was not really GOD at all...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderThen prove it doesn't have total mastery over those aspects since it was stated that's exactly what it does.
Ah, but the IG doesnt give total mastery of anything...does it?Afterall, there are clearly levels of power beyond the IG...arent there?
So, no...no IG user is all powerful...and no IG user has mastery over power, time, space, reality, mind, and soul as there are levels of power beyond the IG.
Being able to tank the Creation Blast off nothing but raw durability>>>>>>any of the manipulations you suggest would work.
Your logic is horribly flawed. It's like saying Superman can tank black holes so he can resist his soul being taken. It's flawed and a completely different tactic.
You need to back up your claims.
Originally posted by SundippedWe could likely post a dozen scans each which reference the 'infinite power' of both parties. However, that wasn't the point/intention of my post. 👆
When Thanks one shot a solar system worth of planets he was stated as having [B]"power without limit". Just wanted to throw that out there.
Originally posted by quanchi112
In that regard it's evenish but the ig also has mastery over time, space, etc. which gives it the advantage. That's the point.
The Living Tribunal (who appears to be superior to the IG) and Scathan (who appears to be superior to the Tribunal) both would have greater control over all those aspects than a IG user...
The IG gives "mastery" over nothing as a result...
Remember Quanchi (I'll take it slow with you and restate something since you cant seem to grasp the concept) things in comics change over time; what was once true is often revealed to not be true at all at a later date...
The IG giving mastery over everything and it being the core of "GODS" might falls into the catagory of no longer true...
Originally posted by quanchi112I'd say the biggest advantage is that the IG seems inexhaustible.
In that regard it's evenish but the ig also has mastery over time, space, etc. which gives it the advantage. That's the point.
Raw power? I dunno, it's debatable either way, as a lot of these cosmic things are when they aren't in context of their own story/universe.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderBased on what do they have greater control over those aspects ? Being supposedly more powerful doesn't mean you're identical in powers and abilities. You have the worst logic sometimes.
The Living Tribunal (who appears to be superior to the IG) and Scathan (who appears to be superior to the Tribunal) both would have greater control over all those aspects than a IG user...The IG gives "mastery" over nothing as a result...
Remember Quanchi (I'll take it slow with you and restate something since you cant seem to grasp the concept) things in comics change over time; what was once true is often revealed to not be true at all at a later date...
The IG giving mastery over everything and it being the core of "GODS" might falls into the catagory of no longer true...
Prove it's no longer true. You haven't made a real point since this debate began.
Originally posted by JuntaiIt doesn't matter whether it is or isn't. The ig gives you abilities Am does not have.
I'd say the biggest advantage is that the IG seems inexhaustible.Raw power? I dunno, it's debatable either way, as a lot of these cosmic things are when they aren't in context of their own story/universe.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderLt might be more powerful that doesn't mean he has total mastery over soul, etc. Lt is also greater than Am imo.
@QuanchiThe Tribunal appearing to be capable of forcibly removing the IG from Warlock is evidence enough that the IG gives mastery over nothing and is not the core of "GODS" might...
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