Originally posted by ODG
A few observations: In the Bible he created more than just the Earth. That's where it comes from.
Originally posted by ODGIt's a pretty big leap in logic.
And attributing Biblical feats to him considering the source material isn't exactly a leap in logic; it is common-sensical. And his attitude is meaningless. Look at what a cunt Nemesis (or the Infinity Being, whatever) was. Certainly not the righteous omnipotence we'd expect but there's no rule saying God can't be a d1ck. I mean, Franklin Richards is two steps from retard and he makes fuctioning universes in between snack time and nap time.
But that's the thing, those guys aren't living up to any predetermined "God" build. Preacher God is, and he's an egotistical love-me machine. Plus Genesis being equal to God, vampires, throne of power, Ennis level swearing, God being a giant scared pussy...
Doesn't sound like any Bible to me. Mind you, me and the Bible haven't been the best of kin to say the least...
Originally posted by ODGOh, I guess it would make a touch more sense if I showed the page before
Why exactly is the fact that these two angels were flying in the stratosphere when Genesis attacked them necessarily mean that Heaven was located in the stratosphere to you? Like in your imagination, are high altitude planes and air pollution bugging the crap out of them?Is there some other fact that leads you to believe that they all of Heaven is also in the clouds... floating invisibly or something... rather than be located on a higher plane?
They probably almost choke to death everytime a plane flies by
Originally posted by BentleyBlade didn't pierce him.
Thanos was pierced by the blade, I'm not arguing that the arrows could've killed Thanos given the opportunity, while Gamora probably would've been able to pull it off. Simply the fact that Thanos has shown some low scale damage on piercing resistance, as proved again by the scan you posted. He was pierced even if the weapon was exceptional, the boneclaws managed it too etc.
Again, bone claws cutting Thanos is non canon. Hell, Lobo appears in the same page... I mean, come on.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You forgot the other question,Which low level mystic entity CREATED a universe?
Altering reality isn't the same as creating a universe. I conceded that the Preacherverse God is below TOAA but that doesn't mean he is on par with Thanos, much less below.
Show us the mystic entity that can create a universe in the 616.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
And some like the Saint Of Killers have a single GREAT one that trumps the good ones.
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Oh, I guess it would make a touch more sense if I showed the page before
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums...-page09of40.jpgThey probably almost choke to death everytime a plane flies by
The Maker was capable of accelerating the end of the universe via manipulating the Crunch, which is as good a feat imo as supposedly creating the universe off-panel. Yet Thanos defeated her. There was context involved, but he did it nonetheless.
That's not to say that he'd beat the Preacherverse God, without some context like being off his throne involved. Which is what the SoK did.
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftSave the non-sequiturs when we're trying to wring humor from these stupid threads. I'm asking honest questions here.
http://www.messagefrommasters.com/Stories/Mythology/earth_on_turtle.jpgIt's a pretty big leap in logic.
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftThe Preacher universe has God, Satan, the angelic rebellion, an Angel of Death, Jesus, Mary Magdalene, the Resurrection story, etc. What theology is it supposed to be based on if not the Bible? That he wasn't benevolently selfless, but in fact an egotistical love-me machine despite being the God of all was the central conceit of Preacher. That didn't make him less a God in power, just less a God in grace and deserving of humanity's love.
But that's the thing, those guys aren't living up to any predetermined "God" build. Preacher God is, and he's an egotistical love-me machine. Plus Genesis being equal to God, vampires, throne of power, Ennis level swearing, God being a giant scared pussy...
Doesn't sound like any Bible to me. Mind you, me and the Bible haven't been the best of kin to say the least...
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftThat doesn't make it any clearer to me. I see and understand that the prison that Genesis broke free from is located in Heaven which has clouds in it (like pretty much all depictions of Heaven do). But the angel in the previous scene holding his brother's carcass said he was in the stratosphere flying about and that Genesis came roaring out of the rising sun. Had that angel been flying around in Heaven where the prison was, why would he use such an esoteric term like "stratosphere" and why would he mention the sun? Needless to say, I don't see why we're supposed to be reading this dialogue thusly: "Hey a$$holes, I was on the other side of Heaven (located in the stratosphere for those reading btw) when that Genesis f@ck decapitated my bro."
Oh, I guess it would make a touch more sense if I showed the page before
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/SOK/Preacher-Issue01-page09of40.jpgThey probably almost choke to death everytime a plane flies by
Heaven can have clouds in it. The stratosphere can be a separate place. The former doesn't negate the latter. I think you'd agree. And on further circumspection, if you were to actually parse the terms technically, the first fact actually upends your hypothesis completely.
Originally posted by ODGWhat do you want me to say? If you want to use the Bible for feats of Preacher God, then that's what was created according to the Bible.
Save the non-sequiturs when we're trying to wring humor from these stupid threads. I'm asking honest questions here.
Originally posted by ODGBased on the Bible doesn't mean we insert feats from the Bible into a completely different work of fiction.
The Preacher universe has God, Satan, the angelic rebellion, an Angel of Death, Jesus, Mary Magdalene, the Resurrection story, etc. What theology is it supposed to be based on if not the Bible? That he wasn't benevolently selfless, but in fact an egotistical love-me machine despite being the God of all was the central conceit of Preacher. That didn't make him less a God in power, just less a God in grace and deserving of humanity's love.
I'm not saying he's different in power, I'm saying he acts nothing like Bible God.
Plus, Jesus was drugged on the Cross and faked his own death... and died by a cart... And then when he was born again he became a retard. Two angels were snorting coke. The Angel of Death was a crybaby. God wanted constant love from everyone. Satan was Ennis'd. Mary, if we are to believe it was her at all, married Jesus after he was "revived". The rebellion happened because God left and he wanted to see who'd choose him and who wouldn't...
It borrows from the Bible, I'm not denying that. However many characters acting completely different from the work of the Bible, things were straight up changed. And I'm not too fond of putting two different works of fiction together.
Originally posted by ODGBecause the stratosphere is higher than clouds. The troposphere is where Heaven is located due to the clouds.
That doesn't make it any clearer to me. I see and understand that the prison that Genesis broke free from is located in Heaven which has clouds in it (like pretty much all depictions of Heaven do). But the angel in the previous scene holding his brother's carcass said he was in the stratosphere flying about and that Genesis came roaring out of the rising sun. Had that angel been flying around in Heaven where the prison was, why would he use such an esoteric term like "stratosphere" and why would he mention the sun?Needless to say, I don't see why we're supposed to be reading this dialogue thusly: "Hey a$$holes, I was on the other side of Heaven (located in the stratosphere for those reading btw) when that Genesis f@ck decapitated my bro."
He was saying that he was flying somewhere different than Heaven is all. Which happened to be above it.
Also, when Sok was in Heaven, he said "This world"
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/SOK/Preacher-Issue66-page18of30.jpg
When the angel was cast down for sexing the demon, we see him coming down and an airplane flying around all airplaney.
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/SOK/__hr_Preacher23___pre23-19.jpg
I don't know, everything points to Earth.
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftHow does Hindu creationism apply to the Bible? Are you just confused?
What do you want me to say? If you want to use the Bible for feats of Preacher God, then that's what was created according to the Bible.
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftYou are exactly saying that. And him turning out to be an insufferable bastard doesn't change what he is, anymore than Nemesis being a ditzy cunt changed what the Infinity Being was: God.
Based on the Bible doesn't mean we insert feats from the Bible into a completely different work of fiction.I'm not saying he's different in power, I'm saying he acts nothing like Bible God.
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftSo instead of drawing on the Bible from which the Preacher universe draws liberally from you instead find it more common-sensical to draw from Marvel skyfather lore to place God on the level of Odin. And let's not pretend you aren't doing exactly that.
Plus, Jesus was drugged on the Cross and faked his own death... and died by a cart... And then when he was born again he became a retard. Two angels were snorting coke. The Angel of Death was a crybaby. God wanted constant love from everyone. Satan was Ennis'd. Mary, if we are to believe it was her at all, married Jesus after he was "revived". The rebellion happened because God left and he wanted to see who'd choose him and who wouldn't...It borrows from the Bible, I'm not denying that. However many characters acting completely different from the work of the Bible, things were straight up changed. And I'm not too fond of putting two different works of fiction together.
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftI'll take this as a backhanded concession that heaven isn't in the stratosphere, which was what you initially extrapolated from the angel conversation.
Because the stratosphere is higher than clouds. The troposphere is where Heaven is located due to the clouds.He was saying that he was flying somewhere different than Heaven is all. Which happened to be above it.
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftGod did in fact create the world. That's not a revelatory statement, nor an exclusive one.
Also, when Sok was in Heaven, he said "This world"
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/SOK/Preacher-Issue66-page18of30.jpgWhen the angel was cast down for sexing the demon, we see him coming down and an airplane flying around all airplaney.
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/SOK/__hr_Preacher23___pre23-19.jpgI don't know, everything points to Earth.
Common-sense dictates that an angel being cast down from Heaven would, at one point, be falling through the sky. Not sure what keenly spotting a jet is supposed to suggest beyond that. Your attention to detail does makes me wonder what you make of that angel being a flaming meteoric mess as he descends and whether that suggests anything though.
Originally posted by ODGSorry, I picked the more impressive Earth (I mean, giant turtles, and elephants is vastly more impressive).
How does Hindu creationism apply to the Bible? Are you just confused?
Sad thing is, this could be applicable to Preacher since nothing that happened disputes this...
Originally posted by ODGI'm not saying his attitude is why he's weaker, I'm saying his attitude is why he's different from the book you're saying we should use feats from.
You are exactly saying that. And him turning out to be an insufferable bastard doesn't change what he is, anymore than Nemesis being a ditzy cunt changed what the Infinity Being was: God.
He's not all knowing, he's not all powerful, and he needs a throne. That's why his power differs... from an omnipotent God at least. I shouldn't have to bring that up when we're talking about 'tude. Again, I never said his attitude is why he's weaker.
But that's the problem.
Infinity Being wasn't based on anything. She had nothing to follow. She had no big book that parents read everyday to their children. And she wasn't terrified of her own creations. Plus calling her a God seems a little odd. She may have created everything, or whatever the current history is, but she didn't do **** all other than that. She was "dead" for billions of years.
God is supposed to be God from the Bible, yet he acts nothing like him. He's a scared pussy, egotistical, love-me please being. That is not Bible God.
Nemesis was just a poorly written being who got pissed off at the Gems. Plus with her, she was actually powerful and showed it. She was a malevolent God type, which you hear about a lot. You combine everything for Preacher God... and, he's got nothing. You ever hear of a God besides him who's scared of many of his creations?
Originally posted by ODGYou ignored the differences. 🙂
So instead of drawing on the Bible from which the Preacher universe draws liberally from you instead find it more common-sensical to draw from Marvel skyfather lore to place God on the level of Odin. And let's not pretend you aren't doing exactly that.
Is that what I'm doing though?
I'm not using the universal application on comic boards of Skyfathers for his history. I'm contrasting a power level (you know, because it's a vs thread), I never pretended to not be doing this. I'm not taking a different work of fiction and placing it inside comic history, however.
I see you misread me though. Let me explain it so you can understand.
I mean that I'm not fond of putting two different works of fiction together in the same canon...
That should have been obvious by the discussion, but alas, twisty mctwisterson
But anyway, you see Preacher God as above or below Odin?
Originally posted by ODGI never said it was in the stratosphere. That's you reading too far into it. I'm saying it's located on Earth, and Genesis escaping Heaven, coming out of the "rising sun" and killing an angel on Earth heavily implies that.
I'll take this as a backhanded concession that heaven isn't in the stratosphere, which was what you initially extrapolated from the angel conversation.
Plus, if we're using the Bible as evidence, then I guess Heaven is "on" Earth after.
“The tree grew until it reached heaven and touched the sky; it could be seen from everywhere on earth.” — Daniel 4:10-11
“And God said, ‘Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters [of Earth] from the [chaos] waters [of outer space]. So it was: God made the dome and separated the water above the dome from the water below it.’” — Genesis 1:6-7
“It is [God] who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to live in.” — Isa. 40:22
You know what, maybe the Bible is proof afterall. 🙂
Although, if we're using the Bible, then my assumption that the stratosphere is higher than Heaven is wrong. It's lower, and there's a dome protecting it. Silly me.
Genesis actually descended into the dome and killed the angel, and the angel ascended back into Heaven and told erryone.
Slight error on my part, but then again, I wasn't using the Bible as proof, I was using actual real world logic.
Originally posted by ODGNice dodge.
God did in fact create the world. That's not a revelatory statement, nor an exclusive one.
"THIS WORLD", when he was in Heaven.
Originally posted by ODGCommon sense... the Bible... 😂
Common-sense dictates that an angel being cast down from Heaven would, at one point, be falling through the sky. Not sure what keenly spotting a jet is supposed to suggest beyond that. Your attention to detail does makes me wonder what you make of that angel being a flaming meteoric mess as he descends and whether that suggests anything though.
It suggests that he was probably smited as opposed to only cast out. Although, now that you brought up the Bible, he would have been falling from the absolute top of the dome, where it would have been pretty much reentry.
Either or.
But I'm curious what your proof is. I haven't been opposed to people bringing proof to prove me wrong, so go ahead.
Prove what God created, and prove where Heaven is located.
You bible experts should really read-up on The Three Heavens. It will help you better understand where the Christian HeavenS(plural) are located.
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Originally posted by Galan007No.
You bible experts should really read-up on The Three Heavens. It will help you better understand where the Christian HeavenS(plural) are located.😉
Originally posted by Galan007
You bible experts should really read-up on The Three Heavens. It will help you better understand where the Christian HeavenS(plural) are located.😉
Originally posted by zopzopBro, I haven't even gazed upon a Bible since I was like 5 years old, yet I was still aware of the three Heavens(it is actually a very well-known fact within Christian theology.)
Do you seriously believe Ennis was thinking of that when he wrote the series?
So ya, if Ennis put any effort whatsoever into his work, then he'd of absolutely known about such a basic concept.
Originally posted by Galan007
Bro, I haven't even gazed upon a Bible since I was like 5 years old, yet I was still aware of the three Heavens(it is actually a very well-known concept.)So ya, if Ennis put any effort whatsoever into his work, then he'd of absolutely known about something so basic.
I bet if you asked 100 people that call themselves Christian if they had any idea of the "three heavens" thing, they'd look at you with a blank look on their face.
Those pages Branlor Swift posted are damning.
Originally posted by zopzopThen they couldn't call themselves well-informed Christians 🙂. You see, I was taught of the 3 Heavens back in my Bible-school days(early 90s)-- like it said: it is a very well-known fact(Google it!) Regardless, your ignorance of the Bible isn't my problem, sinner. 🙂
😆I bet if you asked 100 people that call themselves Christian if they had any idea of the "three heavens" thing, they'd look at you with a blank look on their face.
Those pages Branlor Swift posted are damning.
Bran posted a few excerpts from the Bible. You'd have to be a biased moron to act like those excerpts in some way negate the fact that there are 3 levels of Heaven, per established Christian theology(and only one of those levels is limited to the earth.) 😆/🙄
