Deathstroke or Captain America????

Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
Actually my theory is based on the fact that Dinah's powerset STATES that her canary cry consist of sound waves

Why should I assume that her sound waves are faster when all of her DC bios state they are sound waves? If they say that they're sound waves then that's what they are, if you say that they go faster then its your job to prove it

Good, I'm glad you agree so we can rule out the M1 which is the slowest Thompson Machine Gun. Thanks for that

Comics >>>>>>>> bios.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If you want to claim that BC was that fast in 2004, you have to provide feats from no later than 2004, that is the way debates work.

Oh and just for the record, that feat of Batman dodging the lightning bolt earlier? Guess what? Lightning strikes have impact within a 100 foot radius of where they strike, so not only did Bruce dodge a lightning bolt but had to clear the radius as well to avoid any potential damage

Thanks for pointing that out for me 😄

Originally posted by Silent Master
Comics >>>>>>>> bios.

Try harder...

Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
No, that's how your string of logic works. First you claimed that Dinah turned off her speed when she fought Slade, that alone shoots your credibility out of the sky because your so desperate that you're looking for any excuse you can think of to deny the truth

Oh and just for the record, that feat of Batman dodging the lightning bolt earlier? Guess what? Lightning strikes have impact within a 100 foot radius of where they strike, so not only did Bruce dodge a lightning bolt but had to clear the radius as well to avoid any potential damage

Thanks for pointing that out for me 😄

Again, If you want to claim that BC was that fast in 2004, you have to provide feats from no later than 2004, that is the way debates work.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, If you want to claim that BC was that fast in 2004, you have to provide feats from no later than 2004, that is the way debates work.

The answer..is no..

So by this logic Dinah did not improve between this time, the writers made no effort to improve her abilities which means in 2009 she was at the same level she was in 2004, which means in 2004 she was capable of outrunning bullets, which means Slade blitzed someone who outran bullets.

Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
Actually my theory is based on the fact that Dinah's powerset STATES that her canary cry consist of sound waves

Why should I assume that her sound waves are faster when all of her DC bios state they are sound waves? If they say that they're sound waves then that's what they are, if you say that they go faster then its your job to prove it

Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
Good, I'm glad you agree so we can rule out the M1 which is the slowest Thompson Machine Gun. Thanks for that

Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
Did Dinah get any speed upgrade between 2009 and 2004?

The answer..is no..

So by this logic Dinah did not improve between this time, the writers made no effort to improve her abilities which means in 2009 she was at the same level she was in 2004, which means in 2004 she was capable of outrunning bullets, which means Slade blitzed someone who outran bullets.

Again, If you want to claim that BC was that fast in 2004, you have to provide feats from no later than 2004, that is the way debates work.

Again unless you have proof that Dinah improved then she's at the same level, you aren't in any position to be telling anyone how debates work giving the sheer torrent of stupid arguments that you have come up with in this thread.

Concession accepted

You're claiming that BC from 2004 is faster than bullets, therefore the burden is on you.

Originally posted by ODG
I'm not saying you should assume that. I just want to know how you completely eliminated the canary cry from being supersonic in nature. As your theory literally hinges on that, along with the muzzle velocity exceeding the speed of sound. Thanks for what? You make it sound like every tommygun that accepts a drum magazine has a muzzle velocity exceeding the speed of sound. In fact, the only tommygun I've been able to look up that has a higher muzzle velocity is a model that uses a horizontal forearm, not the vertical one shown in the comic.

Did you know that Dinah's canary cry would have had to have vibrated in order for her to disintegrate those bullets?

Here's another fun fact, vibrations decrease the pressure around sound waves

Here's another fun fact, when the pressure decreases the sound wave slows down

So actually her CC wasn't the speed of sound, it was slower than Sound since she had to use vibrations to destroy the bullets

Character naturally progress and improve. Black Canary was better before the reboot then she was seven years prior. She had an exponential increase in her skills and abilities. Someone like Slade has more or less peak or at the very least has reached a point of diminishing returns on skill gains. Look at a character like Nightwing. It wasn't long ago that he was unable to even land a hand on batgirl in melee combat... And during BftC he was able to stalemate her in a one on one exchange. Nightwing had MUCH subtle amp the Canary did. He slowly got better with out any real impetus, Canary had huge over arching story that amped her skill level. At one point she was even stated as being potentially better the Bruce, whic she certainly was not during IC. CHaracters improve over time. Canary had abilities in 2009 she did not have in 2004.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're claiming that BC from 2004 is faster than bullets, therefore the burden is on you.

Prove that 2013 Cap can outrun a bullet.

Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
Ok, so you're assuming Dinah got better between 2004 and 2009, I'm assuming Cap got worse

Prove that 2013 Cap can outrun a bullet.

You still haven't proven that BC from 2004 could outpace bullets.

You still haven't proven that Cap from 2013 could outpace bullets.

Where was Cap's bullet pacing speed when Daredevil was dodging all of his hits in Waid's Daredevil 😎

Daredevil can't dodge lightning, so Bruce and Slade would casually dance around Cap's attacks

You claimed that BC from 2004 was faster than bullets, so start providing proof.

I'll prove it after you prove 2011-2013 Cap is faster than a bullet

Stop trying to derail the thread and start providing evidence to back up your claim.

Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
Actually I am glad you brought this up

Did you know that Dinah's canary cry would have had to have vibrated in order for her to disintegrate those bullets?

Here's another fun fact, vibrations decrease the pressure around sound waves

Here's another fun fact, when the pressure decreases the sound wave slows down

So actually her CC wasn't the speed of sound, it was slower than Sound since she had to use vibrations to destroy the bullets

The more relevant fact you should have focused on is that shorter barrel you brought up (which led you to rule out the longer-barreled m1 being used). Shorter barrels invariably means lower muzzle velocities.

Why? Apparently Dinah is subject to time but when it comes to Cap he gets a free pass?

This is sad, I left Comicvine to get away from the double standards and crap.

I'll prove Dinah could outrun bullets In 2004 when you can prove Cap can outrun them in 2013

It's more than fair.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Here is Cap outracing bullets

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9535/avgrs6916fv7.jpg