Originally posted by sCOURGE_0With sonic waves from her mouth that was already agape when the bullets were fired, yes.
No, the only thing we argued about is weather BC actually outraced those bullets, what is undisputable ius that she destroyed them after they were firedCap has never beaten the crap out of Daredevil, I've seen all of their fights and the only time Cap clearly dominated was in Streets of Poison were DAredevil wasn't fighting back
And I asked when Cap has BLITZED a bullet timer, show Cap BLITZING DD or Spidey
Cap has beaten the crap out of Daredevil and has completely outclassed him in pure speed as well.
And Cap has beaten up Spidey more often.
Originally posted by ODGNo, they were not. She yelled NO! and then used the Canary Cry.
With sonic waves from her mouth that was already agape when the bullets were fired, yes.Cap has beaten the crap out of Daredevil and has completely outclassed him in pure speed as well.
And Cap has beaten up Spidey more often.
That doesn't even make sense either...you don't go from stated No with an exclamation mark to a scream, if that was the case the dialogue would of said Nooooaaaaaaaaaaaaa indiciating her scream carried over, which didn't happen
He beat Daredevil in running, not combat speed or reflexes, and just for the record we've never even seen how fast Daredevil can run either.
I don't care how many times you think he beat Spiderman, he never blitzed him so it's a moot point.
Originally posted by sCOURGE_0Her shouting was exactly my point as she already had her mouth wide open by the time the bullets were in flight.
No, they were not. She yelled NO! and then used the Canary Cry.That doesn't even make sense either...you don't go from stated No with an exclamation mark to a scream, if that was the case the dialogue would of said Nooooaaaaaaaaaaaaa indiciating her scream carried over, which didn't happen
He beat Daredevil in running, not combat speed or reflexes
I don't care how many times you think he beat Spiderman, he never blitzed him so it's a moot point.
Your conclusion makes no sense. The sound of her cry was illustrated by the soundwaves unless you're trying to suggest that her soundwaves made no sound.
Which is about pure speed. Cap's beat him up in a fight too. And Cap's bullet-timing feats are better than DD's anyway.
Based on how you interpret Slade leaping at Black Canary with a bag over her face as an example of her being blitzed, then yes, Cap has blitzed Spidey by hitting him before he could dodge. Numerous times. What did you say before? "You can't turn off your reflexes," was it?
Originally posted by ODG...Are you blind or something?
Her shouting was exactly my point as she already had her mouth wide open by the time the bullets were in flight.Your conclusion makes no sense. The sound of her cry was illustrated by the soundwaves unless you're trying to suggest that her soundwaves made no sound.
Which is about pure speed. Cap's beat him up in a fight too. And Cap's bullet-timing feats are better than DD's anyway.
Based on how you interpret Slade leaping at Black Canary with a bag over her face as an example of her being blitzed, then yes, Cap has blitzed Spidey by hitting him before he could dodge. Numerous times. What did you say before? "You can't turn off your reflexes," was it?
In the scan where she yells No! there are clearly no sound waves there, she yelled No after the bullets were fired THEN activated her scream
Learn what a bullet timer is please, the entire point of bullet timing is to react, weather its dodging, catching, blocking, deflecting or destroying, the bullets after they were fired.
You're suggesting that Dinah had used her Canary Cry before they were fired which isn't true, because she wouldn't have been able to yell out a full word, STOP, then use it which is what happened there
No, where talking about speed in a fight, in none of their fights has Cap ever overwhelmed Daredevil with speed, which is the entire definition of blitzing, to overwhelm someone with speed.
And Cap doesn't beat Daredevil up anymore than Daredevil beats Cap up, go read their fights, in none of them does Cap nor Daredevil have a full advantage, it's usually 50/50 and I challenge you to show me a fight where Cap dominates Daredevil
Yes, I did say you can't turn reflexes off and your point is still idiotic. Cap is able to tag Spiderman because Cap is more SKILLED than Spiderman is.,
By your idiotic logic Slade would be faster than Donna Troy because he hit her faster than she could react. Hitting a faster character isn't blitzing them, being able to overwhelm them with speed IS, and Cap has never done this to either Spidey or Matt
Originally posted by sCOURGE_0Which is consistent with what I said, "With sonic waves from her mouth that was already agape when the bullets were fired, yes."
...Are you blind or something?http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc384/King_Bradley/dinahtimepaint.png
In the scan where she yells No! there are clearly no sound waves there, she yelled No after the bullets were fired THEN activated her scream
Originally posted by sCOURGE_0And Black Canary neither dodged, caught, blocked, deflected the bullets. She destroyed them with sonic waves from her mouth that was already agape when they were fired. Like if somebody could shoot stuff out of their hands and bullets are in flight and their hands are already raised in position to fire a blast.
Learn what a bullet timer is please, the entire point of bullet timing is to react, weather its dodging, catching, blocking, deflecting or destroying, the bullets after they were fired.
Originally posted by sCOURGE_0Reread what I wrote.
You're suggesting that Dinah had used her Canary Cry before they were fired which isn't true, because she wouldn't have been able to yell out a full word, STOP, then use it which is what happened there
Originally posted by sCOURGE_0Cap's had the advantage in every single one of their fights.
No, where talking about speed in a fight, in none of their fights has Cap ever overwhelmed Daredevil with speed, which is the entire definition of blitzing, to overwhelm someone with speed.And Cap doesn't beat Daredevil up anymore than Daredevil beats Cap up, go read their fights, in none of them does Cap nor Daredevil have a full advantage, it's usually 50/50 and I challenge you to show me a fight where Cap dominates Daredevil
Originally posted by sCOURGE_0Guess Deathstroke is more skilled than Black Canary also rather than faster.
Yes, I did say you can't turn reflexes off and your point is still idiotic. Cap is able to tag Spiderman because Cap is more SKILLED than Spiderman is.,
Originally posted by sCOURGE_0I don't know why you're so upset, I was using your own reasoning. But what you say here is true, Slade slapping that bag on the faster Black Canary isn't necessarily blitzing her, it's just him using skill to get the jump on her.
By your idiotic logic Slade would be faster than Donna Troy because he hit her faster than she could react. Hitting a faster character isn't blitzing them, being able to overwhelm them with speed IS, and Cap has never done this to either Spidey or Matt
Originally posted by -Pr-
Lex is still human inside that suit, so that really doesn't count. Besides, that issue was a mess.Wonder Woman takes punches to the face from the likes of Superman, and doesn't always get a bloody lip. Yet her skin, that can survive orbital re-entry and absorb punches from heralds, somehow splits because of Slade?
It makes no sense given his established strength level. It's with tagging Flash in the completely "should never happen" group of things.
So do we render these things PIS because they are "illogical" based on other comics, or do we include them because they've proven consistent in a characters history?
I always consider Bruce low level superhuman in speed and strength. Punisher and Wildcat get my nod for low level superhuman durability. Why? Feats. And what about characters like kingpin? He "shouldn't" be that strong, right? But he is.
There we no sound waves in the bottom left panel, she reacted after they were fired
Show where these invisible sound waves are, oh wait, they don't exist and you're essentially making things up
Cap never have had the advantage in any of their fights
In fact if you read the fight they had in Waid's Daredevil, Daredevil was dodging all of Cap's hits and Cap couldn't land a single blow.
No, Slade moved behind Black Canary when she tried to attack him, that is over whelming her with speed, Cap punching Spiderman isn't.
In fact when they fought in Civil War Spidey clearly stated that Cap has a skill advantage over him, not a speed, not a strength, a skill advantage
You aren't using my own reasoning, you're twisting what I said in an attempt to become a pseudo intellectual, and it's backfiring.
Originally posted by namorsubby
So do we render these things PIS because they are "illogical" based on other comics, or do we include them because they've proven consistent in a characters history?I always consider Bruce low level superhuman in speed and strength. Punisher and Wildcat get my nod for low level superhuman durability. Why? Feats. And what about characters like kingpin? He "shouldn't" be that strong, right? But he is.
They're not consistent, though. I'm sure there's every possibility that our definitions of the word differ, but Slade being able to bust the lip of Wonder Girl, let alone Wonder Woman, is little more than a miracle, and should be treated as such imo.
To be strong enough to bust Diana's lip, Slade would have to be able to punch hard enough to dent Colossus, to make Thing's skin crumble etc. And both of them are far less durable to a punch than Diana.
Originally posted by -Pr-
They're not consistent, though. I'm sure there's every possibility that our definitions of the word differ, but Slade being able to bust the lip of Wonder Girl, let alone Wonder Woman, is little more than a miracle, and should be treated as such imo.To be strong enough to bust Diana's lip, Slade would have to be able to punch hard enough to dent Colossus, to make Thing's skin crumble etc. And both of them are far less durable to a punch than Diana.
He forgets there are two characters involved in the feat and that one of them(WW) has a history of taking hits from people thousands of times stronger than Slade without bleeding.
Which makes her suddenly bleeding from a hit by a street level character either jobbing or PIS.
Slade is simply faster. Hes exhibited the abilities to attend to groups of super power individuals hands on in close quarters combat time and again. Usually outmanuevering many of them at a time. If you discount every single against a flash or a wonder woman. If you discount kid marvel. Theres still that.
Originally posted by sCOURGE_0Reread what I wrote.
There we no sound waves in the bottom left panel, she reacted after they were firedShow where these invisible sound waves are, oh wait, they don't exist and you're essentially making things up
Originally posted by sCOURGE_0This is a blatant lie.
Cap never have had the advantage in any of their fightsIn fact if you read the fight they had in Waid's Daredevil, Daredevil was dodging all of Cap's hits and Cap couldn't land a single blow.
Cap actually reeled Daredevil in with his own billy club when he as trying to run away. You should reread it.
Originally posted by sCOURGE_0And Cap moved his fist into Spidey's gut/face when Spidey tried to attack/dodge Cap, that is over whelming him with speed. According to you anyway. I don't see why you're insisting it's different, this is your reasoning since they can't turn their reflexes off.
No, Slade moved behind Black Canary when she tried to attack him, that is over whelming her with speed, Cap punching Spiderman isn't.In fact when they fought in Civil War Spidey clearly stated that Cap has a skill advantage over him, not a speed, not a strength, a skill advantage
You aren't using my own reasoning, you're twisting what I said in an attempt to become a pseudo intellectual, and it's backfiring.
And Slade is more skilled than Black Canary.
Using your own reasoning? That's exactly what I'm doing. And now you don't like it.
Originally posted by -Pr-How many times has Slade fought Diana? Or Donna? Or Lex in the suit? Or anyone with comparable durability? Considering their number of encounters, how would it not be consistent?
They're not consistent, though. I'm sure there's every possibility that our definitions of the word differ, but Slade being able to bust the lip of Wonder Girl, let alone Wonder Woman, is little more than a miracle, and should be treated as such imo.To be strong enough to bust Diana's lip, Slade would have to be able to punch hard enough to dent Colossus, to make Thing's skin crumble etc. And both of them are far less durable to a punch than Diana.
I really don't believe hed have to be that strong at all. All that equals significant damage. Busting someones lip wouldn't fit into that category by any strench of the imagination.
Originally posted by Silent Master
He forgets there are two characters involved in the feat and that one of them(WW) has a history of taking hits from people thousands of times stronger than Slade without bleeding.Which makes her suddenly bleeding from a hit by a street level character either jobbing or PIS.
Just because someones lip doesnt bleed every time they are punched in the face in a comic(or reality even) doesn't mean whoever did make their lip bleed is stronger than who didnt. Those who are thousands of times stronger than Slade can deal REAL DAMAGE to high class durability characters like Diana. Slade cannot.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Just because someones lip doesnt bleed every time they are punched in the face in a comic(or reality even) doesn't mean whoever did make their lip bleed is stronger than who didnt. Those who are thousands of times stronger than Slade can deal REAL DAMAGE to high class durability characters like Diana. Slade cannot.
Great, you just admitted that making WW bleed is a sign of being that the person is exceedingly weak, so you'll stop using it as a strength feat?
