Deathstroke or Captain America????

Originally posted by ODG
Reread what I wrote. This is a blatant lie.

Cap actually reeled Daredevil in with his own billy club when he as trying to run away. You should reread it. And Cap moved his fist into Spidey's gut/face when Spidey tried to attack/dodge Cap, that is over whelming him with speed. According to you anyway. I don't see why you're insisting it's different, this is your reasoning since they can't turn their reflexes off.

And Slade is more skilled than Black Canary.

Using your own reasoning? That's exactly what I'm doing. And now you don't like it.

I did, you're saying that her Sonic Scream was active when the bullets were fired, that is a blatant lie. She yelled NO! How can she yell NO! while using the CC at the same time? Here's a hint, she can't

Which means you are either blind, in denial or a troll. Pick one

No, that is actual fact. In their first fight Daredevil was dominating but was mind controlled, Cap even stated that Daredevil was fighting like an amatuer, Cap started to fight back but when the mind control wore off Daredevil left because it would be too much hassle to explain what happened

In Streets of Poison Cap on Ice beat Daredevil who wasn't trying to fight back

In the fight with Beast Herc and Widow Daredevil KO'd Cap but the lights were off

In DOA Cap and Daredevil fought but again Daredevil was blood lusted and fighting like an amatuer.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--ssVorqNqs4/T3nwKeRao5I/AAAAAAAAEOo/oSIWMazjUko/s1600/DDw3.jpg

Daredevil and Cap both threw their respective weapons at each other and both dodged, and in the entire fight Cap tried to attack Daredevil where Daredevil played defensively

So no, Cap has never taken more than a 5/10 over Matt except Streets of Poison where Matt wasn't fighting back. He has never blitzed him either

Slade running up to Dinah and gagging her is blitzing, Cap maneuvering Spiderman into a position where he can hit him isn't blitzing him

By your logic Punisher would have blitzed Spiderman as well since he's physically landed kicks and a knife on him.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Spider-man beating Firelord isn't PIS, Batman blitzing Katana is, Katana isn't here anyway so it's irrelevant.

I know you're upset over the fact that I've been embarrassing you for 2 days now, but simply parroting what I'm saying is only making you look worse.

Please..save what little self respect you have..I promise I won't beat you over the head too hard the next time..

Originally posted by Silent Master
Great, you just admitted that making WW bleed is a sign of being that the person is exceedingly weak, so you'll stop using it as a strength feat?

Btw, what the hell are you talking about?

Originally posted by namorsubby
Its a great strength feat for Slade because even making her lip bleed is extremely impressive for a low meta.

Btw, what the hell are you talking about?

So now it's back to being a strength feat? then I'll once again bring up the fact that WW has a long history of taking hits from people who are at the very least thousands of times stronger than Slade without bleeding.

Which means a street level character maiing her bleed is massive PIS/jobbing.

Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
Right, a street leveler blitzing another street leveler is PIS but a light superhuman beating a herald isn't

I know you're upset over the fact that I've been embarrassing you for 2 days now, but simply parroting what I'm saying is only making you look worse.

Please..save what little self respect you have..I promise I won't beat you over the head too hard the next time..

I might take you seriously when you get around to proving that the BC that Slade "blitzed" in 2004 was a bullet timer, like you claimed.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I might take you seriously when you get around to proving that the BC that Slade "blitzed" in 2004 was a bullet timer, like you claimed.

Batman has also blitzed Katana, Major Force and Black Lightning at the same time

Who did Cap blitz again? Oh wait... 😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
You know what? It doesn't matter, even Canary wasn't a bullet timer in 2004, Nightwing and Ravager were and Slade kicked both of their asses at the same time along with Tim Drake and Jericho..without getting touched once

Batman has also blitzed Katana, Major Force and Black Lightning at the same time

Who did Cap blitz again? Oh wait... 😆 😆 😆

So you admit that you've been lying for multiple pages in regards to BC bullet-time status, thank you.

Now, Prove that Nightwing and Ravager are bullet time.

Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
I did, you're saying that her Sonic Scream was active when the bullets were fired, that is a blatant lie. She yelled NO! How can she yell NO! while using the CC at the same time? Here's a hint, she can't

Which means you are either blind, in denial or a troll. Pick one

Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
No, that is actual fact. In their first fight Daredevil was dominating but was mind controlled, Cap even stated that Daredevil was fighting like an amatuer, Cap started to fight back but when the mind control wore off Daredevil left because it would be too much hassle to explain what happened

In Streets of Poison Cap on Ice beat Daredevil who wasn't trying to fight back

In the fight with Beast Herc and Widow Daredevil KO'd Cap but the lights were off

In DOA Cap and Daredevil fought but again Daredevil was blood lusted and fighting like an amatuer.

Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--ssVorqNqs4/T3nwKeRao5I/AAAAAAAAEOo/oSIWMazjUko/s1600/DDw3.jpg

Daredevil and Cap both threw their respective weapons at each other and both dodged, and in the entire fight Cap tried to attack Daredevil where Daredevil played defensively

So no, Cap has never taken more than a 5/10 over Matt except Streets of Poison where Matt wasn't fighting back. He has never blitzed him either

So even based on your own accounts, Cap has held an advantage. And what you said before, that "Cap never have had the advantage in any of their fights," is a blatant lie. I agree. 👆

Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
Slade running up to Dinah and gagging her is blitzing, Cap maneuvering Spiderman into a position where he can hit him isn't blitzing him

By your logic Punisher would have blitzed Spiderman as well since he's physically landed kicks and a knife on him.

Well that makes sense, guess Slade didn't blitz Black Canary either.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So now it's back to being a strength feat? then I'll once again bring up the fact that WW has a long history of taking hits from people who are at the very least thousands of times stronger than Slade without bleeding.

Which means a street level character maiing her bleed is massive PIS/jobbing.

I said just because stronger opponents weren't displayed busting her lip doesn't mean that they're not stronger. Did they even hit her lip? Can you show me several instances where a much stronger opponent clearly made contact with her lip on panel and it didn't bleed? I know you won't and/or can't, but I thought I'd ask for the hell of it.

Originally posted by namorsubby
back to a strength feat? When exactly did it leave? You and Srank love to project your own imaginary stances onto opposing posters.

I said just because stronger opponents weren't displayed busting her lip doesn't mean that they're not stronger. Did they even hit her lip? Can you show me several instances where a much stronger opponent clearly made contact with her lip on panel and it didn't bleed? I know you won't and/or can't, but I thought I'd ask for the hell of it.

I see, now you're arguing that WW's lips aren't as durable as the rest of her and that is why Slade is able to make them bleed...great that makes the feat worthless.

😂

Originally posted by Silent Master
I see, now you're arguing that WW's lips aren't as durable as the rest of her and that is why Slade is able to make them bleed...great that makes the feat worthless.

Originally posted by ODG
😂

Yes, lips DO bleed easily. And its apparently hilarious. Smh.

Originally posted by namorsubby
So I guess we'll all just play stupid and pretend that lips don't bleed more easily from blunt truama than just about any other part of the body? Of course they do, but Slade making HERS bleed is a strength feat FOR HIM.

Given WW's long history of taking hits from people who are at the very least thousands of times stronger than Slade without bleeding, her lips would have to be hundreds of times less durable than the rest of her body for a street level character to make them bleed.

Which means that you're sticking with the WW's lips aren't as durable as the rest of her and that is why Slade is able to make them bleed argument...great that makes the feat worthless.

You are acting as if you do not realize that the skin of your lips are far more delicate and more easily damaged. I was under the impression that we both had them. Guess I was wrong.

It in no way makes the feat worthless, it makes it understandable and believable. Its still a highly impressive striking feat for a low meta.

Originally posted by ODG
Reread what I wrote. So basically what you're saying is that more often than not, whether Cap or DD had mind effects on them, Cap comes out looking better. So you posted a scan from one part of their fight while completely ignoring the part I told you to reread that disproves your claim that DD dodged everything. Smart. 👆

So even based on your own accounts, Cap has held an advantage. And what you said before, that "Cap never have had the advantage in any of their fights," is a blatant lie. I agree. 👆 You're talking about when Cap set him up with a shield throw feint. I'm talking about when Spidey rushed Cap and Cap punched him twice. This is your logic. And this was a Spidey who, even before he was upgraded in The Other storyline, was already a bullet-timer.

Well that makes sense, guess Slade didn't blitz Black Canary either.

I read it more than enough, I can reread 100 times and the only thing it'll tell me is that you have the delusion that Canary fired the CC before the bullets were fired, even though the bullets were on screen, she yelled NO! so she couldn't simultaneously use the CC, and there were no sound waves, the next panel she destroys them. I even drew you a nice diagram.

So again, Canary cannot yell NO! and fire the CC at the same time, she did one action then performed another

So yes, you remain either delusional, blind or a troll. Pick whichever one you like

I did recheck my Daredevil comic, at first I thought you mentioned when Daredevil and Cap switched weapons, but now I see what you were pointing at, Cap catching Daredevil's leg in the billy club cable.

THAT IS NOT A HIT.

By this same idiot logic, Nightwing would of hit Flash in the late 90's Teen Titans Volume when he used his grapple rope to tie him up

And as far as your Spiderman dung that your throwing either way you look at it

Either we look at it my way where Slade blitzed a bullet timer where Cap only hit Spidey through skill

Or we look at it from your perspective, which means Punisher also blitzed Spiderman, which means Slade has blitzed Donna Troy, Wonder Woman and Kid Flash because he landed a hit on them

EIther way you look at it Cap ends up looking worse, thank you for doing my job for me, appreciate it 😂

Originally posted by namorsubby
You are acting as if you do not realize that the skin of your lips are far more delicate and more easily damaged. I was under the impression that we both had them. Guess I was wrong.

It in no way makes the feat worthless, it makes it understandable and believable. Its still a highly impressive striking feat for a low meta.

Incorrect, you're basically arguing that Slade making her bleed isn't PIS because WW's lips are hundreds if not thousands of times less durable than the rest of her body. It's an interesting argument, I'll give you that much.

However it's an argument that basically makes the feat worthless.

Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
I read it more than enough, I can reread 100 times and the only thing it'll tell me is that you have the delusion that Canary fired the CC before the bullets were fired, even though the bullets were on screen, she yelled NO! so she couldn't simultaneously use the CC, and there were no sound waves, the next panel she destroys them

So yes, you remain either delusional, blind or a troll. Pick whichever one you like

Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
I did recheck my Daredevil comic, at first I thought you mentioned when Daredevil and Cap switched weapons, but now I see what you were pointing at, Cap catching Daredevil's leg in the billy club cable.

THAT IS NOT A HIT.

Which doesn't really matter when you consider how their other fights have ended up with Daredevil looking worse than Captain America and he's held the advantage.

Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
By this same idiot logic, Nightwing would of hit Flash in the late 90's Teen Titans Volume when he used his grapple rope to tie him up

And as far as your Spiderman dung that your throwing either way you look at it

Slade is more skilled than Black Canary, after all. And heck, even Ollie has tagged her and he's not even more skilled.

Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
Either we look at it my way where Slade blitzed a bullet timer where Cap only hit Spidey through skill

Or we look at it from your perspective, which means Punisher also blitzed Spiderman, which means Slade has blitzed Donna Troy, Wonder Woman and Kid Flash because he landed a hit on them

I agree, the notion that Slade blitzed Black Canary is completely retarded. As was your whole "You can't turn your reflexes off" schtick. So what we have is Cap having performed several actual bullet-timing feats and beating up on DD and an upgraded Spidey (who are also bullet-timers) and Deathstroke having performed no bullet-timing feats and beating up on Black Canary.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Incorrect, you're basically arguing that Slade making her bleed isn't PIS because WW's lips are hundreds if not thousands of times less durable than the rest of her body. It's an interesting argument, I'll give you that much.

However it's an argument that basically makes the feat worthless.

Your lips bleed far more easily because it essentially is nothing but skin and soft tissue that protrudes from your body. not firmly pressed against your muscles and bone. You could punch someone in the chest a hundred times and not cause the skin on their chest to split open and bleed. I really shouldn't even have to explain this

Originally posted by Silent Master
So you admit that you've been lying for multiple pages in regards to BC bullet-time status, thank you.

Now, Prove that Nightwing and Ravager are bullet time.

I like debates to move forward and when I know someone like yourself who won't let things go regardless of how stupid their argument is, I find another approach to make them look like a bigger idiot

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Second panel, Rose deflects a bullet with her sword

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http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad166/themanwonder/Agility-Speed/nw98-flreshield2.jpg

Not only does Nightwing react after the cops shoot him, but he's able to move Firefly, a full grown adult in full body armor, in the way of the bullets

Originally posted by ODG
Since you still completely misread what I wrote, reread it again. So long as you concede that DD didn't dodge everything Cap threw at him in their most recent fight.

Which doesn't really matter when you consider how their other fights have ended up with Daredevil looking worse than Captain America and he's held the advantage. I agree, catching someone off-guard is meaningless and doesn't necessarily justify projecting greater speed onto that character. 👆

Slade is more skilled than Black Canary, after all. And heck, even Ollie has tagged her and he's not even more skilled. No, he hasn't. You just argued that it's idiot logic assuming one person is faster simply because they got tagged when skill is part of the equation.

I agree, the notion that Slade blitzed Black Canary is completely retarded. As was your whole "You can't turn your reflexes off" schtick. So what we have is Cap having performed several actual bullet-timing feats and beating up on DD and an upgraded Spidey (who are also bullet-timers) and Deathstroke having performed no bullet-timing feats and beating up on Black Canary.

No I'm pretty positive that I read it word for word and this is what you said

"With sonic waves from her mouth that was already agape when the bullets were fired, yes"

For someone who accuses others of lying you sure do it yourself quite a bit, It was clearly shown that she yelled NO! and didn't use the CC when they were fired.

I'm not going to explain it again though, have your parents help you since you seem to be having so much trouble grasping it

Daredevil did dodge all of Cap's attacks, roping someone up isn't an attack, by that logic if a Cop slaps a pair of hand cuffs on you that would be an attack and you can scream police brutality

So yeah everything I've stated regarding DD and Cap has been pretty spot on

You first stated that Cap has blitzed Daredevil, this never happened

Then you stated Cap has dominated him, this never happened

We've gotten this far because when you make another blunder in your post you quickly change the subject or modify it to the point of discussing something else entirely

I agree, attacking someone off guard is entirely meaningless, the problem here is that Canary wasn't off guard, in fact she was about to attack Slade before Slade heard the click in her jaw and blitzed her, attacked before she can react.

That is what blitzing is, I'm not sure what this Spiderman instance you keep bringing up is but if Spiderman attacked Cap and Cap dodged it, then counter attacked, that isn't a blitz, that's taking advantage of Spidermans vulnerable position he put himself into when he missed.

So what we have is Cap taking at most 5/10 against Daredevil, never being able to beat him or hold any advantage against him.

And hitting Spiderman

Where we have Slade blitzing Black Canary, gagging her and tieing her up before she can scream, we have him beating on Nightwing and Ravager, two bullet timers, at the same time, with Ravager having enhanced stats and precog, we have him beating on Batman, a bullet timer who can blitz other bullet timers like Katana,

And then we have him hitting Kid Flash, Donna Troy and Wonder Woman, all faster than Spiderman and two of them being more skilled

So by all means keep Spiderman, because it just means Slade has feats that are better than Canary

Again I thank you for making my job much easier 😉