Deathstroke or Captain America????

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No he isn't. There is nothing to suggest that Captain America isn't 4000lbs on Average. All most all the strength feats posted for him are accomplished by him seemingly coasting without any struggle. Causally walking around with utility poles slung over his shoulder. Pulling helicopters out of the sky. Stopping cars in their tracks by grabbing the back bumpers. Throwing massive chucks of concrete. Batman's best feats are accomplished under tremendous strain with great effort on his part... and they still don't match Caps. Most of the Batman strength feats that get brought up are do or die, mother lifting a car of their child feats of hysterical strength accomplished under duress that don't accurate represent Batman's strength level. Some of Caps feats fall under that category... but most of them do not.

But Cap is stronger than Bats but not by much.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I notice that you keep trying to move the topic away from strength, should this be taken as an admission on your part that Cap is stronger?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Huh? Cap is well stronger than Batman. Even if you want to argue that Batman could beat Steve, strength isn't really a good way to go for it.

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap pulling down the mini flyer is a crap feat. Not only was it a glass wonka vader, the car assisted in the pulling, and the copter didn't pull against Cap at all (it was pursuing him).

But Cap is stronger than Bats but not by much.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Slade obviously has far bettee speed feats. All of which Srank even refuses to acknowledge as speed feats, which is moronic. Not just ALL those flashes through the years, but he routinely outmanuevers super fast foes and many opponents of various levels of speed altogether in groups. He is EASILY faster and EASILY has better reflexes. Hes said many times that he holds back against street levels like nightwing, who he effortlessly thrashes when he has a mind t, but Srank is such a low baller when it comes to slade that its the only thing he bruins up time and again.

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No he doesn't.

Newsflash, Slade "outmaneuvering" speedsters is not a speed feat. He manages to tag jobbing speedsters the same why every other street level MA does it, by predicting their movements and leading them into an attack... then thanks to the plot they will be too stupid to avoid. Slade throws a bo-staff in Flash's path... and then he runs into and trips... because apparently he is staggeringly incompetent. And most of the time he has accomplished this were against much slower incarnations of the characters. When the Teen Titans first started Kid Flash was 300mph. When Slade knee capped Impulse he was stated in the very issue (or the one immediately before or after) as being mach 3. Cap's hit Quicksilver. Wolverine's hit Northstar. Batman's hit Flash. Those aren't speed feats. It's the characters being skilled enough to maneuver a fast but less skilled fighter into the path of an attack.

Legitimate speed feats, Caps are better than Slades.

Originally posted by namorsubby
I've already addressed it.

I'm not saying hes stronger i'm saying he has comparable strengh feats.

I can't agree with that, especially when we take Cap's higher feats in to account.

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap pulling down the mini flyer is a crap feat. Not only was it a glass wonka vader, the car assisted in the pulling, and the copter didn't pull against Cap at all (it was pursuing him).

But Cap is stronger than Bats but not by much.

We've been over this before. You're wrong. Captain America was not bolted into the back of the car. He was standing in the back seat. He shot the grappling hook and immediately yanked the helicopter out of the air. It's an AMAZING feat. You're an idiot enabling Subby's delusions.

Originally posted by namorsubby
I've already addressed it.

If by addressed it, you mean...haven't posted any feats that suggest that Slade can match Cap in strength.

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap pulling down the mini flyer is a crap feat. Not only was it a glass wonka vader, the car assisted in the pulling, and the copter didn't pull against Cap at all (it was pursuing him).

But Cap is stronger than Bats but not by much.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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No he doesn't.

Newsflash, Slade "outmaneuvering" speedsters is not a speed feat. He manages to tag jobbing speedsters the same why every other street level MA does it, by predicting their movements and leading them into an attack... then thanks to the plot they will be too stupid to avoid. Slade throws a bo-staff in Flash's path... and then he runs into and trips... because apparently he is staggeringly incompetent. And most of the time he has accomplished this were against much slower incarnations of the characters. When the Teen Titans first started Kid Flash was 300mph. When Slade knee capped Impulse he was stated in the very issue (or the one immediately before or after) as being mach 3. Cap's hit Quicksilver. Wolverine's hit Northstar. Batman's hit Flash. Those aren't speed feats. It's the characters being skilled enough to maneuver a fast but less skilled fighter into the path of an attack.

Legitimate speed feats, Caps are better than Slades.

Yes, and the Heli thing is crap. you assist every cap feat with exaggerated bullshit.lol

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap pulling down the mini flyer is a crap feat. Not only was it a glass wonka vader, the car assisted in the pulling, and the copter didn't pull against Cap at all (it was pursuing him).

But Cap is stronger than Bats but not by much.

You have a strange definition of "not by much".

Originally posted by Silent Master
If by addressed it, you mean...haven't posted any feats that suggest that Slade can match Cap in strength.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I can't agree with that, especially when we take Cap's higher feats in to account.

Originally posted by namorsubby
I mentioned more than a few, which are all convienently located in the link I posted. Your denial after the fact is out of my control.

No, you listed a buch of feats that place Slade below Cap...that and you lied about at least one of the feats, as srank pointed out...in fact that wasn't even the first time srank has pointed out that you were lying about the feat.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Only a complete idiot would say tagging flashes routinely along with outmanuevering other superfast characters are not "legitimate speed feats". Not to mention being capable of engaging multiple heros working collectively against you in close quarters combat. Youre not too bright.

Yes, and the Heli thing is crap. you assist every cap feat with exaggerated bullshit.lol

Its the exact same thing as trying to pass off Cap melee Namor or Iron Man as a strength feat. It's not a strength feat, and these aren't speed feats. If you are as smart as the average poster... you'd know that. The fact that you legitimately believe that Slade has tagged the Flash do to have having comparable speed is another highlight of your legendary stupidity.

The Helicopter feat isn't crap in the slightest, but feel free to throw your bones in with h1a8. It's probably a good move because, (sarcasm) he's a credible poster and everyone respects his views, and no one thinks he's a lunatic.(/sarcasm). dur

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, you listed a buch of feats that place Slade below Cap...that and you lied about at least one of the feats, as srank pointed out...in fact that wasn't even the first time srank has pointed out that you were lying about the feat.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Its the exact same thing as trying to pass off Cap melee Namor or Iron Man as a strength feat. It's not a strength feat, and these aren't speed feats. If you are as smart as the average poster... you'd know that. The fact that you legitimately believe that Slade has tagged the Flash do to have having comparable speed is another highlight of your legendary stupidity.

The Helicopter feat isn't crap in the slightest, but feel free to throw your bones in with h1a8. It's probably a good move because, (sarcasm) he's a credible poster and everyone respects his views, and no one thinks he's a lunatic.(/sarcasm). dur

Only an idiot would suggest that I implied that flash and Slade have comparable speed. Even more moronic then believing that it doesnt take speed to tag superfast characters or engage whole groups of superheros h2h. Lol

Damaging superdurable opponents with strikes are obviously a testament to strength/striking power. U just used the hulk thing for cap dumbass(PIS).lol

You believe cap is strong enough to pull a heli down in flight unassisted. You believe he can 2 shot hulk. Youre dense.

Lol.

Tagging the flash would require that his arm moves fast enough for it to compete with the Flash's perception speed.

Since Flash's perception speed is on par with his physical speed (the same way its the same for you or I), that would mean that Deathstroke has to throw his punch at LEAST as comparably fast as Flash can throw a punch.

But he can't. Because if Deathstroke could throw a lightspeed+ punch, he would also be able to run at lightspeed+ speeds. Afterall, muscle movement is muscle movement. It's not like his arm speed is going to be millions of times faster than his lower body's speed. (imagine, theoretically, how ****ing stupid that would look)

It's PIS. Ignore it. You can't tag someone without having the ability to perform speed feats of comparable magnitude. Afterall, reflexes are comprised of perception speed and muscle movement speed. And Deathstroke performs neither of those things as fast as a Flash. Not even remotely close.

If he could see as fast as the flash, but could not move any faster than a peak human, then his own body would simply feel like its in slow motion. Nay, not in slow motion, rather, completely frozen.

If he could move as fast as the flash but could not see as fast, that would mean he simply could not react to the Flash and could only rely on blindly punching around as fast as he could (his arms would be invisible to himself at such speeds).

If he could see and move his muscles as fast as the Flash...then he'd be as fast as the Flash! Simple shit.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Srank may be your all knowing go to guy for confirmation about the validity of everything, but I use the internet. Srank can say what he wants, i found multiple sites who all said the same thing about sarcophigi. He cant suppprt his ridiculous notions without finding a bs excuse to not acknowledge ANY thing given that obviously contradicts it.

Only an idiot would suggest that I implied that flash and Slade have comparable speed. Even more moronic then believing that it doesnt take speed to tag superfast characters or engage whole groups of superheros h2h. Lol

Damaging superdurable opponents with strikes are obviously a testament to strength/striking power. U just used the hulk thing for cap dumbass(PIS).lol

You believe cap is strong enough to pull a heli down in flight unassisted. You believe he can 2 shot hulk. Youre dense.

You didn't find a single cite that supported you. The posted references... the references you posted verified everything I told you. You saw a high number and you put your blinders up and pretended it was the number you were looking for. I even quoted the pertinent parts of the article for you... multiple times... and you ignored me. Why? Because you don't care about the facts. You have a confirmation bias, and you are actively looking for evidence to support your claim. My thoughts on this matter are - like always - formulated by the facts. I don't find facts to suit my theories, I base my theories around the facts as they are presented. You don't.

Obviously it takes some speed... otherwise the character wouldn't be moving... that's about. It's about timing, and execution, not about speed. Slade has never hit Flash because he is fast enough to hit the Flash, he has hit the Flash because he was able to maneuver the Flash into the line of fire at the current moment. What does that tell us about how fast Slade is? How do you quantify that? It's not a speed feat. Slade jumping through fan blades is a speed feat. Batman switching poisoned cups of tea without the person in front of him noticing is a speed feat (also slight of hand). At the end of the day Slade hitting Flash is - like all similar examples - largely an example of Flash jobbing hard for the sake of the plot.

I don't believe Cap is strong enough to pull down a helicopter... I know he is. What's the matter though? Just a second ago you were saying that is a nothing feat that wasn't impressive? Changed your tune? Cap two shoting the Hulk, however is PIS. It was only brought up because you brought up a similar example on Slade's end. I only reference PIS to counter PIS. You should learn from my example.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Lol.

Tagging the flash would require that his arm moves fast enough for it to compete with the Flash's perception speed.

Since Flash's perception speed is on par with his physical speed (the same way its the same for you or I), that would mean that Deathstroke has to throw his punch at LEAST as comparably fast as Flash can throw a punch.

But he can't. Because if Deathstroke could throw a lightspeed+ punch, he would also be able to run at lightspeed+ speeds. Afterall, muscle movement is muscle movement. It's not like his arm speed is going to be millions of times faster than his lower body's speed. (imagine, theoretically, how ****ing stupid that would look)

It's PIS. Ignore it. You can't tag someone without having the ability to perform speed feats of comparable magnitude. Afterall, reflexes are comprised of perception speed and muscle movement speed. And Deathstroke performs neither of those things as fast as a Flash. Not even remotely close.

If he could see as fast as the flash, but could not move any faster than a peak human, then his own body would simply feel like its in slow motion. Nay, not in slow motion, rather, completely frozen.

If he could move as fast as the flash but could not see as fast, that would mean he simply could not react to the Flash and could only rely on blindly punching around as fast as he could (his arms would be invisible to himself at such speeds).

If he could see and move his muscles as fast as the Flash...then he'd be as fast as the Flash! Simple shit.

He predicts his movement in order to tag him, he doesn't move faster or as fast. It still takes incredible reflexes. You cant call something so prevalent and consistent in Slades history PIS.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Lol.

Tagging the flash would require that his arm moves fast enough for it to compete with the Flash's perception speed.

Since Flash's perception speed is on par with his physical speed (the same way its the same for you or I), that would mean that Deathstroke has to throw his punch at LEAST as comparably fast as Flash can throw a punch.

But he can't. Because if Deathstroke could throw a lightspeed+ punch, he would also be able to run at lightspeed+ speeds. Afterall, muscle movement is muscle movement. It's not like his arm speed is going to be millions of times faster than his lower body's speed. (imagine, theoretically, how ****ing stupid that would look)

It's PIS. Ignore it. You can't tag someone without having the ability to perform speed feats of comparable magnitude. Afterall, reflexes are comprised of perception speed and muscle movement speed. And Deathstroke performs neither of those things as fast as a Flash. Not even remotely close.

If he could see as fast as the flash, but could not move any faster than a peak human, then his own body would simply feel like its in slow motion. Nay, not in slow motion, rather, completely frozen.

If he could move as fast as the flash but could not see as fast, that would mean he simply could not react to the Flash and could only rely on blindly punching around as fast as he could (his arms would be invisible to himself at such speeds).

If he could see and move his muscles as fast as the Flash...then he'd be as fast as the Flash! Simple shit.

All true, but usually Slade "tagging" the Flash amounts to more or less Flash stupidly running into shit like some bumbling oaf. Running into swords. Tripping over bow staffs. Ect. Standard jobber incompetence.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Incorrect.

He predicts his movement in order to tag him, he doesn't move faster or as fast. It still takes incredible reflexes. You cant call something so prevalent and consistent in Slades history PIS.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
All true, but usually Slade "tagging" the Flash amounts to more or less Flash stupidly running into shit like some bumbling oaf. Running into swords. Tripping over bow staffs. Ect. Standard jobber incompetence.

Exactly what I said.

PIS.

Predicting where they go is still useless in reality, especially since you're in slow motion to them, and they can change their trajectory at the last moment just to mess with you.

The fact that they can get away with it, is simply comic PIS.

Basically; lol at the idea of 'baiting' someone who can see and move hundreds+ times faster than you into a direction, when they can simply stand in that spot till the last possible moment just to phuck with you, and then move away faster than you can see.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Exactly what I said.

PIS.

Predicting where they go is still useless in reality, especially since you're in slow motion to them, and they can change their trajectory at the last moment just to mess with you.

The fact that they can get away with it, is simply comic PIS.

Lol at the idea of 'baiting' someone who can see and move hundreds+ times faster than you into a direction, when they can simply stand in that spot till the last possible moment just to phuck with you, and then move away faster than you can see.

Flash perceives the world around him at the speed of light. It would be like if I told you I'm going to punch you a year from now, but I'm going to stand in the exact spot I'm in at this instance and throw my punch slow enough that the action wont finish until exactly one year from when it started... and you were free to go about your life as normal for that entire time.

What are the ****ing odds that you'd get punched by me?

Originally posted by namorsubby
Incorrect.

He predicts his movement in order to tag him, he doesn't move faster or as fast. It still takes incredible reflexes. You cant call something so prevalent and consistent in Slades history PIS.

Lol. You're an idiot. This is basic stuff.

For his reflexes to be good enough to tag the Flash...his reflexes would have to be comparable to the Flash in the first place.

They are not.

If his reflexes were on the same order as the Flash, then he could run comparably to the Flash as well. Again, reflexes are a muscle movement afterall. If he can move his body in a way fast enough to hit someone who is Mach+ in running, then that means he himself can command his body to run at similar speeds.